Give kashmir or take kashmir. Make up your mind as enemy is getting bold

[OrionHunter]

2)Put our own house in order and then let the whole world know that Kashmir is ours and if nobody cares about UN resolutions we do and will get it byforce if not by diplomacy.

Distribute half of nukes across international border telling world we wont use them unless india violates international border and start our offensive from north from siachin and kargil sectors and arm Kashmiri youth let the two armies fight and the stronger will be winner and we all know who will that be.

If we can deter india from international border and fight a localized war in Kashmir with the help of kashmiries I am sure we can win it in less than a month.

Are you for real? Do you even know WTF you're blabbering? Grow up!

 

[GURU DUTT]

It is not the first time that Modi has shown his utter hatred for Pakistan. Following is a brief summary of his actions after taking over as Pm.

1)Indian firing across Loc on end day killing dozens . 6 Oct 14
2) Then again in January IA fired across Loc using a large number of mortar shells
3)Despite positive statements of Pm nawaz cancelled secretary level dialogue to resume peace process.
4)He and his cabinet members never let go off any chance to malign Pakistan and goes the extra mile to unite fact and fiction.
5)Numerous proofs came to surface of Raw involvement in spreading terror in Pakistan ranging from discovery of indian currency and weapons, photos of militants like brahamdag bugti with their raw handler. mulla fazullah TTP chief being kept in a safe heaven by raw in Afghanistan.
6)Recent indian heart burn on a intel share deal between NDS and ISI (it was a deal between two sovereign states and indian reaction proved they don't want Afghanistan to adopt a balanced foreign policy and prefer people like Karzai who say yes to every indian demand)
7) Modi opposed CPEC during a meeting with Chinese president again intervening between affairs of two sovereign states though he was silenced by Chinese president saying china is only doing development.
8) And to top it up he now admitted in Dhaka the active role IA played in dividing Pakistan.

Everybody mean all intelligence agencies round the globe knows what India did in 1971 how the seeds of hatred were sown by them once they got a chance due to ZAB greed for power. IA commandos were used to kill civilians wearing PA uniforms and rest is all history.

My point here is Indian hatred for Pakistan is not new but now they have got a leader who is sadist and a world known criminal for killing thousands of innocent Muslims and is shameless beyond words lacking all human qualities and better be considered a beast disguised as a human. He will unify Indian hate for Pakistan and will try to isolate Pakistan to a point where he thinks we will withdraw our Iok claim and would be able to use Pakistan to access Iran, Afghanistan and central Asia. He believes in use of force and is very open in accepting so and I guess we should be ready for things heating up instantly after some major massacre of indian troops in Kashmir or some bomb blast's in cities both of which will be false flag ops most probably.

Now coming to Pakistan as a state we have contained militancy to a good extent as compared to 2008-09 but roots of the problem still exist which is worrying and needs to be dealt with asap only then we can focus On our real issue of India.

After having met and worked with indians of all castes and religions from north and south(in one of the worlds best multinational company where most of the people are highly educated and groomed)
I have concluded they have not yet accepted the reality of a separate muslim state and they all know deep with in that Kashmir being a muslim majority state was Never theirs as per two nation theory .

Now a painful reality check india owing to its bigger economy and religion(which align itself naturally with anti islam sentiments) has a successful diplomatic strategy and a more advanced army (I am not saying better) on the other hand Pakistan has no one to support her in the event of a war except Turkey(that too under tayab only) and china but that too will be limited if Pakistan is labeled as the aggressor .

Keeping in mind indian hatred and desire to make loc the border I have following two solutions and would like your input.

1) Make LOC international border withdrawing rights over IOK and make Azad Kashmir our 5th province and gilgit baltistan 6th.Give india rail, road, pipelines access to iran , afghanstan and central asia earning billions of dollars and getting rid of all militancy in country and region will be free of tensions. Pakistan in 5-10 years can be in worlds top 10 economies by just giving transit services to india and .

Two major drawback for this solution would be acute water shortage In pakistan if India as some intel suggested kept drilling underground tunnels to deviate indus river flow .In other words we will be dependent on Indiaa for our water.
Secondly thousands of martyrs who gave their blood to free their muslim brothers from oppression will go in vain destroying armys morale rendering it weak against our second biggest enemy Israel

2)Put our own house in order and then let the whole world know that Kashmir is ours and if nobody cares about UN resolutions we do and will get it byforce if not by diplomacy.
Distribute half of nukes across international border telling world we wont use them unless india violates international border and start our offensive from north from siachin and kargil sectors and arm Kashmiri youth let the two armies fight and the stronger will be winner and we all know who will that be.

If we can deter india from international border and fight a localized war in Kashmir with the help of kashmiries I am sure we can win it in less than a month.

In the former case Pakistanis will die a slow death looking for water and in the later case even if we loose in conquering the whole Kashmir we will gain some area forsure if attack is planned well plus Kashmir dispute will be highlighted in a way that nothing else can do.

I will personally go by the later solution as people like modi don't understand the language of saris and congratulation criminals like him only understand the language of bullets.

with all deu respect to your brilliant but misguided post please tell mefewthings SIR

1.who and why never let abolishion of feudalism in pakistan ?

2.who and why attacked kashmir with help of afridi tribesman in 1947 when kashmir was already slidding towards pakistan and forced majaraja to aceed with india ?

3.who and why did operation gibralter and kashmiries themselfs caught and handed over pakistani commandoes to indian army and war broke owt when things were getting peacefull in earli sixties

4.who and why never built any major dams and artificial water bodies and cannal sysytems in pakistan ?

5.who and why instead of taking a pragmatic approach and remaining neutral in USSR Vs USA jumped in and became a proxy fighter state of USA & its allies ?

6.who and why never gave a serous look to giving a modern and sientific approach to the educational sytem for masses in pakistan ?

7.who and why always rediculed majority pakistanies the bnegalies for their short frames and darker skin tone (ever read shahabnama{ by kutub ullah shahab a very senior pakistani diplomatineast pakistan/bangladesh} or humudur rehman commission report?)

8.who and why used proxies to ignite terror and hate and fight against naighbouring nations and use such "strategik assets"asaforiegn policy tool ?

these are just few things responsible for current state ofaffairs in pakistan and not india but if your nation takes the second option do you think indias hands are tied behind its back ?

 

[tested]

Our Pakistani friends have the impression that the Indian Army is a bunch of jokers, yindoo banyas who can't fight, in spite of Pakistan losing all wars against India with a lot of egg on their faces!! But some never seem to learn lessons.

Their ignorance of reality and living in a cocoon of denial is their hallmark. Just ignore the grandiose statements that keep emanating from across in order to sustain the morale of their troops and civilians.

Its just their insecurity and so they try to project it on India.

Pakistani Army is incompetent, they don't know how to fight. IF they did, they would have won something till now since 1948 after Indian Army entered Kashmir.

Instead they have lost war after war and land after land - from kashmir, to siachen to bangladesh. On the other hand, India has just kept adding land again and again - kashmir, siachen, goa, sikkim, etc.

As to why Pakistanis can't fight, I don't know, maybe their religion makes them weak, maybe their geography does not allow for a good Army to be formed..whatever the case, they will always lose to everyone they fight whether its the Bangladeshis, Indians or Iranians. They just don't have what it takes to win wars.

 

[Echo_419]

Our Pakistani friends have the impression that the Indian Army is a bunch of jokers, yindoo banyas who can't fight, in spite of Pakistan losing all wars against India with a lot of egg on their faces!! But some never seem to learn lessons.

Their ignorance of reality and living in a cocoon of denial is their hallmark. Just ignore the grandiose statements that keep emanating from across in order to sustain the morale of their troops and civilians.

Their ignorance is our strength

 

[salarsikander]

Merey Bhai, are you not expecting too much from Nawaz and family? Untill these morons are at the helm, nothing is going to happen. An army of jackals can win the battle when in command of a lion but an army of lions cant win a battle when in command of a jackal.

Well said Syed Sahab

 

[VCheng]

These Pakistani kids simply don't realize, that they can not win a war with India, be it conventional or nuclear.

There is nothing Pakistan has, which India doesn't and more and in many cases better.

It is a fact, Pakistani politicians and even generals have realised ... but you kids need to grow up.

You can switch the countries in your statements above, and that would be equally true as well.

 

[indo]

You can switch the countries in your statements above, and that would be equally true as well.

No that would be wrong, for example India has an aircraft carrier and pakistan doesn't

 

[scionoftheindus]

Its just their insecurity and so they try to project it on India.

Pakistani Army is incompetent, they don't know how to fight. IF they did, they would have won something till now since 1948 after Indian Army entered Kashmir.

Instead they have lost war after war and land after land - from kashmir, to siachen to bangladesh. On the other hand, India has just kept adding land again and again - kashmir, siachen, goa, sikkim, etc.

As to why Pakistanis can't fight, I don't know, maybe their religion makes them weak, maybe their geography does not allow for a good Army to be formed..whatever the case, they will always lose to everyone they fight whether its the Bangladeshis, Indians or Iranians. They just don't have what it takes to win wars.

Pakistanis had been kicked on their backs by all the invaders from time immemorial. They simply can't show fighting spirit.

 

[ares]

You can switch the countries in your statements above, and that would be equally true as well.

We can win in a purely conventional war (which is unlikely to remain so if Pakistan begins losing) , but then it did happen, even after becoming declared nuclear states.

 

[VCheng]

No that would be wrong, for example India has an aircraft carrier and pakistan doesn't

That big ol' rustbucket with fresh paint? Pakistan has a few similar ones too, albeit much smaller.

We can win in a purely conventional war (which is unlikely to remain so if Pakistan begins losing) , but then it did happen, even after becoming declared nuclear states.

No war will remain conventional for long, that is the problem. M.A.D.

 

[Assange]

I am not underestimating Pakistani armed forces....But still they are not match for Indian force...

Seeing so many Pakistani poster trolling here about their armed force being the lion and others being the wolf...I have a question for that those people if you have a such a great armed force then why are you relying on nuclear....why don't you sign no first use policy?????

 

[Dushmann]

Option 1. Pakistan peacefully gives back occupied Princely state of J&K, including Gilgit Baltistan.
Option 2. India takes it back through war and breaks up Pakistan in pieces.

As an Indian citizen, no other option is acceptable to me.

 

[acid rain]

I am not underestimating Pakistani armed forces....But still they are not match for Indian force...

Seeing so many Pakistani poster trolling here about their armed force being the lion and others being the wolf...I have a question for that those people if you have a such a great armed force then why are you relying on nuclear....why don't you sign no first use policy?????

Wasn't a particularly bright phase in time when the op sat down to type all that...he just needs to read history...not alternate PA propaganda to know that such misadventures have been routine in the short history of pakistani existence and they ended up going a decade behind every time.

 

[ares]

That big ol' rustbucket with fresh paint? Pakistan has a few similar ones too, albeit much smaller.



No war will remain conventional for long, that is the problem. M.A.D.

It is unlikely, but then again we have an example of Kargil war, which remained conventional for two months, before Pakistan lost but did not resort to nuclear option.

They say, there are no winners in a nuclear war..However if winning a nuclear war means surviving it ..there also India has much better chance of surviving as a Nation ..owing to she being a much larger nation, with a much larger population.

That big ol' rustbucket with fresh paint? Pakistan has a few similar ones too, albeit much smaller.



No war will remain conventional for long, that is the problem. M.A.D.

It is unlikely, but then again we have an example of Kargil war, which remained conventional for two months, before Pakistan lost but did not resort to nuclear option.

They say, there are no winners in a nuclear war..However if winning a nuclear war means surviving it ..there also India has much better chance of surviving as a Nation ..owing to she being a much larger nation, with a much larger population.

 

[VCheng]

Option 1. Pakistan peacefully gives back occupied Princely state of J&K, including Gilgit Baltistan.
Option 2. India takes it back through war and breaks up Pakistan in pieces.

As an Indian citizen, no other option is acceptable to me.

Option 3: Convert the LoC/AGPL into a permanent and recognized international border.

It is unlikely, but then again we have an example of Kargil war, which remained conventional for two months, before Pakistan lost but did not resort to nuclear option.

They say, there are no winners in a nuclear war..However if winning a nuclear war means surviving it ..there also India has much better chance of surviving as a Nation ..owing to she being a much larger nation, with a much larger population.

There will be no more Kargils, and no nation, not even USA or China, can survive a nuclear war.