Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

[Indian Patriot]

1.) Hitler said it in the closing days of WW2... he believed that without victory, the Germans would not be entitled to live on.

Pardon me if I doubt your credibility. A link could do. And Hitler was said to have lost his sanity in final days of the war. It is a well known fact that hitler was mobilisjng imaginary troops and equipment which Germany did not even have. Even if your outlandish claims are true then hitler was a madman that time.

2.) The Nazi party lived by exploiting fear, spreading fear (You know how they treated opposition?), hatred, errors in the German constitution etc etc etc

Allied propaganda. The nazis had popular support.

3.) You think militant nationalism is something to be proud of? Its on the same line as whatever ISIS is thinking they are...

Calm down fool. Unlike you emotional keyboard warriors I simply quote facts. The nazis promoted militant nationalism. That's it.

4.) There are no races among modern day humans. Homo Sapiens Sapiens is the only existing one.

So according to uneducated people like you there was no racism practised by allied countries? Heard about cotton farming in US and who used to pick cotton?

You are an utter fool. You know that?

1.) BS. Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland before the French and the UK had enough... The Poles were desperately pleading for help against the Nazi invasion. Of course the poor nazi scum were the victims here.

Hitler did not invade Czechoslovakia, he was handed that country on a platter by england and france. Hitler demanded control over German majority areas and he got that.

The poles were desperately pleading for help against soviet occupation as well, but communists like you don't see that.

2.) No, the first bombings of cities were started by the Germans. Warsaw, Rotterdam and other cities were bombed before any RAF bombers attacked German cities.

I did not ask you about your fantasy. In real history it was bomber harris who bombed civilians as a strategic objective.

1.) No other nation at that time had such a disgusting system of racism as the nazis had. Nothing comes even close to it... even disabled people were seen as inferior human beings. Their views are no secret.
2.) They fought for the nazis because Germany lacked manpower like no other major participant in the war, they had to recruit foreigners in order to fill the gaps in 3rd class jobs like manning garrisons, flanks etc etc etc

In short, they were nothing else but means to an end
Do you know what Hitler thought about the Indians before the war started?

Tell that to USA who had slaves and slavery. You people hide your head so far into the ground you cannot even distinguish between day and night. What knowledge of history will you have?

Racism was and is still practised in US and europe. Your white lies will change nothing.

And why were foreigners willing to fight for Germany? Germans did not come to India to recruit Indians. If you are an Indian (which I hope you are not) then it is no secret how you jhola wala tribe fabricate your own version of history.

Do you know what english thought about Indians and other non-whites in the colonies they ruled? Do you know what the Americans thought about the blacks and the native Americans? Oh yes, they genocided the native Americans.

 

[Koovie]

Pardon me if I doubt your credibility. A link could do. And Hitler was said to have lost his sanity in final days of the war. It is a well known fact that hitler was mobilisjng imaginary troops and equipment which Germany did not even have. Even if your outlandish claims are true then hitler was a madman that time.



Allied propaganda. The nazis had popular support.



Calm down fool. Unlike you emotional keyboard warriors I simply quote facts. The nazis promoted militant nationalism. That's it.



So according to uneducated people like you there was no racism practised by allied countries? Heard about cotton farming in US and who used to pick cotton?

You are an utter fool. You know that?



Hitler did not invade Czechoslovakia, he was handed that country on a platter by england and france. Hitler demanded control over German majority areas and he got that.

The poles were desperately pleading for help against soviet occupation as well, but communists like you don't see that.



I did not ask you about your fantasy. In real history it was bomber harris who bombed civilians as a strategic objective.



Tell that to USA who had slaves and slavery. You people hide your head so far into the ground you cannot even distinguish between day and night. What knowledge of history will you have?

Racism was and is still practised in US and europe. Your white lies will change nothing.

And why were foreigners willing to fight for Germany? Germans did not come to India to recruit Indians. If you are an Indian (which I hope you are not) then it is no secret how you jhola wala tribe fabricate your own version of history.

Do you know what english thought about Indians and other non-whites in the colonies they ruled? Do you know what the Americans thought about the blacks and the native Americans? Oh yes, they genocided the native Americans.

First of all, the more you throw around with personal attacks, the more stupid and desperate you appear. And calling ME communist makes you the dumbest person Ive ever seen (Unless you can prove that claim with my posts, like the other morons who make the same claim)

1.) Hitler had always been a madman... and its kinda ironic that a brown man like you admire him so much.
Guy Liddell diaries: Hitler's rant on how he was deceived by 'everyone' during his last days in Berlin bunker | Daily Mail Online

2.) Yeah, if you dont like it, blame it as propaganda.... the sign of a true genius like yours. There are an insane amount of sources on this topic. Follow the sources on this page and see how tens of thousands Germans were butchered for raising their words against tyranny
German Resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3.) You seem to be pretty fond of militant nationalism

4.) DID I EVER MADE THE CLAIM that the allies did NOT practice racism? My entire point was how the modern day Germans have matured enough to distinguish between good and evil you genius. But if your brain isnt sophisticated enough to get that its not my fault

Show me where I made such a claim or shut up! (Of course I can wait till my death for that)

5.) If you seriously believe that the UK and France were happy about Hitlers annexion you need some serious help ASAP.

6.) Fantasy? Listen you moron: Give me ONE SOURCE, JUST ONE PROOF that shows that the RAF was bombing German cities BEFORE the Luftwaffe bombed Warsaw, Rotterdam etc etc.

If you cant, you are truly a brainwashed or just a victim of those who failed to educate you.

Now I am waiting... show me proof or accept that your posts are nothing but brainfarts



Meanwhile.....

@anonymus The little online bad guy he is... is even hiding on the internet... can it even get more pathetic than this?

Where is the proof?

 

[anonymus]

Meanwhile.....

@anonymus The little online bad guy he is... is even hiding on the internet... can it even get more pathetic than this?

Where is the proof?

Of what?

That you have more than one father!

 

[Koovie]

Of what?

That you have more than one father!

That I am a not independently thinking communist propaganda spreading bot

 

[Samandri]

Germans have been brainwashed into beghairati. They were defeated not liberated by allies. Hitlar was not angel but the ones killing Germans, the allied forces, were not liberators. Rise of Nazis, was result of injustices of their so called "liberators" after ww1. Its kind of sad to see a nation like germans, to stoop to this level of beghairati.

The so called 'liberators' of Germans dropped bombs mercilessly and intentionally on civilian population of Germany when they were in the process of 'liberating' them.

 

[Psychic]

People praising Soviets forget that the same Soviets were aggressors when they attacked Finland and Poland, they wanted to spread communism throughout Europe. People praising France, Britian and USA are also forgetting the war crimes of these countries. Was Heroshima, Nagasaki any less devastating than Pearl Harbour? Was bombing of Tokyo, Frankfrut and Deserden not brutual? Then people forget what Britain and France did (colonisation). Hitler invades Europe and Russia, German people are ashamed. Nepolean did the same, French people are not ashamed.

 

[Koovie]

Hitler invades Europe and Russia, German people are ashamed. Nepolean did the same, French people are not ashamed.

And if that shows us anything, its high levels of maturity and rational thinking among Germans.

 

[Psychic]

And if that shows us anything, its high levels of maturity and rational thinking among Germans.

My point was why only Germany is considered a villain, when other European powers also committed crimes in specific eras.

 

[Solomon2]

How many jews do fit into a VW Polo?
50.005.
Two on the front seats, three on the back seats and 50.000 in the ash trey.
just one of the jokes commonly told on school yards and and private parties.

Did you ever ask the jokers if they would still find it funny had the ashes of their grandparents, uncles, aunts, and cousins been in the ash tray as well?

 

[MarkusS]

Did you ever ask the jokers if they would still find it funny had the ashes of their grandparents, uncles, aunts, and cousins been in the ash tray as well?

I´m not jewish, they aren´t jewesh. So?

Not our problem.

 

[Indian Patriot]

My point was why only Germany is considered a villain, when other European powers also committed crimes in specific eras.

Empires are build on wars and bloodshed. Anybody who says otherwise is an outright liar. From the Roman empire to Nazi empire, every and I repeat every single empire murdered people in cold blood. Just look at the history of the european colonialists, the ottomans, the American subjugation of native American tribes.

Germany attacked USSR. But USSR had invaded Finland, people forget that. People also forget that countries like Italy also supported and aided Germany but for some reason they are not supposed to have any guilt.

Germany had been made a convenient scapegoat. Not a single allied soldier of any rank stood trial at Nuremberg. Why is that?

And if that shows us anything, its high levels of maturity and rational thinking among Germans.

It shows how much scared these Germans are. War is not about right or wrong, it is about the victors and losers.

 

[Penguin]

LOL!! So Germans are evil for terror bombing Spain, and that is an allegation not proven. But allies terror bombing German civilians is justice?

It is an undisputed historical fact that air elements of the (Nazi-)German Condor Legion bombed the crap out of the city of Guernica, Spain, in 1937. They did not have e.g. bridges as military targets, as some have claimed, because the load they dropped included not just HE but also antipersonnel- and firebombs and the bombing aircraft also machinegunned the town. The German Luftwaffe-commander Wolfram von Richthofen noted in his diary that the attack was planned in close cooperation with the Spanish nationalists. Reichsmarshall Hermann Goring publicly stated that he saw the Guernica bombing as an opportunity to test the capabilities of his new Luftwaffe. Anyway, it was the first instance of such bombing in Europe.

Terror bombing in second world war was started by bomber harris when he directed the RAF to deliberately target German cities to relieve RAF bases under attack from Luftwaffe. Hitler was outraged when German cities were bombed and ordered bombing of London which was a knee jerk reaction and absolute failure. If Luftwaffe had continued its tactics of targetting RAF bases then battle of britain would have been different.

I suggest you look up and research the historical details of the bombings of: Warsaw (1939), Rotterdam (may 1940), Coventry (november 1940), and the Blitz in general..

And Japan and Germany are two different countries.

Which makes no difference in terms of their use of superior air power and bombing against civilians.

Then why are you crying for german bombardment of Spain?
Stop being a hypocrite.

As explained, it was the first instance of such bombing in Europe. This is pre-WW2. Given the newness of the phenomenon, there was no international law dealing with it at the time. That is fact. Nobody is crying (well, besides you, that is)

 

[Indian Patriot]

It is an undisputed historical fact that air elements of the (Nazi-)German Condor Legion bombed the crap out of the city of Guernica, Spain, in 1937

Post WW2 allied propaganda and nothing else.

Germany supported one regime in Spain over the other, the same thing US is doing today in ME.

I suggest you look up and research the historical details of the bombings of: Warsaw (1939), Rotterdam (may 1940), Coventry (november 1940), and the Blitz in general..

I suggest you read history properly and why harris is called bomber harris in the first place. Dresden remains the largest ever terror bombing in human history which was outclassed by Tokyo fire raids. The excuses that some of the war crimes apologists come up with is hilarious.

Which makes no difference in terms of their use of superior air power and bombing against civilians.

And the 1000 bomber air raids were dropping rose petals and candies on German cities? Why is Germany bombing civilians a ghastly crime and allies bombing civilians an act of justice?

As explained, it was the first instance of such bombing in Europe. This is pre-WW2. Given the newness of the phenomenon, there was no international law dealing with it at the time. That is fact. Nobody is crying (well, besides you, that is)

Like I said, allied propaganda.

Anyways I don't have time to argue with a "TT" like you. Every time they get owned they hand out negative ratings.

 

[Koovie]

It shows how much scared these Germans are. War is not about right or wrong, it is about the victors and losers.

Typical sign of blind nationalism....

At least the Germans got rid of it.... but who am I talking to, you are the expert here and obviously know much about Germany from first hand experience.

Oh, and I am still waiting for your answers.

 

[Penguin]

Post WW2 allied propaganda and nothing else.

Oh, I see, in your opinion there is no history, only victor propaganda. Unfortunately for you, this is flawed logic, as the known events and outcomes of the Spanish civil war predate WW2 (won incidentally by the Nazi-German aided Nationalists... ), and at that time if was still totally unclear who would come out as a victor in the event of a world scale armed conflict.

I suggest you read history properly and why harris is called bomber harris in the first place. Dresden remains the largest ever terror bombing in human history which was outclassed by Tokyo fire raids. The excuses that some of the war crimes apologists come up with is hilarious.

I'm fully aware who Arthur "Bomber" Harris is. And Curtis LeMay, for that matter. As for Dresden, have you been there? I have. To us Europeans, it is no secret what happened in Dresden and Hamburg and other German cities. You point to the end of WW2, however, while terror bombing started much earlier. Rotterdam, for example, in my own country, was bombed to smithereens by the Germans during negotiations for a surrender of the city and hours prior to the expiration of the German ultimatum that actually included the threat of terror bombing (there were no military targets in the city centre). Following the German bombing on Rotterdam of 14 May, RAF Bomber Command was authorized to attack German targets east of the Rhine on 15 May; the Air Ministry authorized Air Marshal Charles Portal to attack targets in the Ruhr, including oil plants and other civilian Industrial targets which aided the German war effort, such as blast furnaces (which were visible at night). Due to the inadequate British bomb-sights the strikes that followed had the effect of terror raids on towns and villages (they were not intended as such). On the night of 15/16 May, 96 bombers crossed the Rhine and attacked targets in Gelsenkirchen. Of these, 78 had been assigned oil targets, but only 24 claimed to have accomplished their objective.Operation Abigail Rachel was the bombing of Mannheim and the "first deliberate terror raid" on Germany on 16 December 1940. Note that this c0ame after the German raid on Coventry of november 1940.This was the start of a British drift away from precision attacks on military targets and towards area bombing attacks on whole cities. In January 1942, the United States (which had just entered the war), Britain, Soviet Union, China, and 22 smaller or exiled governments issued the Declaration by United Nations, thereby affirming the Atlantic Charter and agreeing to not to sign a seperate peace with the Axis powers. Only on 14 February 1942 was the Area bombing directive issued to Bomber Command. At that point victory was by no means certain for the Allied powers.

And the 1000 bomber air raids were dropping rose petals and candies on German cities? Why is Germany bombing civilians a ghastly crime and allies bombing civilians an act of justice?

You (incorrectly) seem under the impression I am defending strategic bombing... which is just an assumption on your part.

Meanwhile, it had by that time become completely clear to all parties what the nazi's had in store for the peoples of Eastern Europe (not even beginning to talk about the Jews) in general and anyone resisting them in particular (also in Western Europe). The nazi's brought many things upon the German people that was simply payback for their own attrocities.

Like I said, allied propaganda.

You overlook that the Spanish Civil war ended prior to the start of WW2. The Nazi-supported Nationalists won. Nevertheless, the events at Guernica were full well publicly known prior to WW2 starting. Which goes to show how flawed your claim is.

Anyways I don't have time to argue with a "TT" like you. Every time they get owned they hand out negative ratings.

Please don't cry.