Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

[Penguin]

Sad to see how weak the Germans have become. The NAZIS were no better or worse than what the europeans were that time in general. Looks like the Germans forgot the horrific war crimes committed by the allies like the bombing of dresden and the medieval era style atrocities by soviet troops in Berlin.

You forgot the Germans invented 'terror bombing' and first put it into practice in Spain during its civil war, and then Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry and on.... You reap what you sow.

Strategic bombing during World War II began on 1 September 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the Luftwaffe began bombing cities and the civilian population in Poland in an indiscriminate aerial bombardnebt campaign. As the war continued to expand, bombing by both Axis and Allies increased significantly. In the Pacific, the Japanese bombed civilian populations throughout the war. The US strategic bombing of Japan began in earnest in October 1944

Besides, international law at the outset of World War II did not specifically forbid aerial bombardment of cities despite the prior occurrence of such bombing during WW1, the Spanish Civil War (Guernica), and the Second Sino-Japanese War.

Strategic bombing during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MarkusS]

Cruel joke man. But its still illegal to deny holocaust.

who gives a shit? there is a gargantuan rift between the political elite and the normal worker in germany. many simply call it holocaust folklore

 

[Jaanbaz]

who gives a shit? there is a gargantuan rift between the political elite and the normal worker in germany. many simply call it holocaust folklore

Interesting. So the government is out of touch with the working class people in Germany?

 

[MarkusS]

Interesting. So the government is out of touch with the working class people in Germany?

lol since a long time

 

[Indian Patriot]

No, if you ever had contact to Germans you will realize how much they hate the nazis and their past.

In fact many Germans were simply too afraid to raise their voices against the evil and disgusting nazi ideology or were simply fooled into it.

Tens of thousands of Germans were persecuted by the nazis for standing up against them.



IDK know what your problems are, but they dont feel like that and have no reason for it.

They are sad that their ancestors fell for a racist braindead maniac who tricked them with false hopes and lies and who followed him to their utter destruction, leaving tens of millions of death behind.

Todays Germany is a stable, tolerant, prosperous and democratic nation that has learned from history... unlike other idiots who still go nuts about mass murderers, maniacs and false heroes like Hitler or Stalin.



You cannot blame his brain, but those who educated him... typical South Asian way of moronic history:

Hitler was tough, he was stronk, he was an economic genius, he was a military genius, he was the one who gave us independence, he loved us ... blah blah blah... You will hear BS like that on a regular basis.

If you knew anything about european colonial history you would understand. I don't know what your problems are but the germans did nothing different from what the colonialists did.

You forgot the Germans invented 'terror bombing' and first put it into practice in Spain during its civil war, and then Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry and on.... You reap what you sow.

LOL!! So Germans are evil for terror bombing Spain, and that is an allegation not proven. But allies terror bombing German civilians is justice?

Strategic bombing during World War II began on 1 September 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the Luftwaffe began bombing cities and the civilian population in Poland in an indiscriminate aerial bombardnebt campaign. As the war continued to expand, bombing by both Axis and Allies increased significantly. In the Pacific, the Japanese bombed civilian populations throughout the war. The US strategic bombing of Japan began in earnest in October 1944

Terror bombing in second world war was started by bomber harris when he directed the RAF to deliberately target German cities to relieve RAF bases under attack from Luftwaffe. Hitler was outraged when German cities were bombed and ordered bombing of London which was a knee jerk reaction and absolute failure. If Luftwaffe had continued its tactics of targetting RAF bases then battle of britain would have been different.

And Japan and Germany are two different countries.

Besides, international law at the outset of World War II did not specifically forbid aerial bombardment of cities despite the prior occurrence of such bombing during WW1, the Spanish Civil War (Guernica), and the Second Sino-Japanese War.

Then why are you crying for german bombardment of Spain?

Stop being a hypocrite.

 

[Solomon2]

Shouldn't we all hope that some day a President of Pakistan will do just that?
How would you feel about that, MM?

You wish man.

Why should it be "my wish" rather than your ambition?

 

[Dalit]

Why should it be "my wish" rather than your ambition?

You didn't answer my question...

 

[anonymus]

Germans have lost their mind and have become EuroFags.

I mean how stupid you would be to celebrate defeat of your country as liberation, howsoever atrocious your regime may be.

May 7, 10:42 AM EDT

Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

By DAVID RISING
Associated Press

The troops of the 10th Tank Corps 5th Guards Tank Army 2nd Belorussian Front occupied city Mühlhausen (now the Polish city Młynary) the city was liberated from the Nazi troops January 24, 1945.​

BERLIN (AP) -- Millions of Germans experienced the fall of Nazi Germany 70 years ago Friday as total defeat. Today, most Germans view it as liberation from 12 years of tyranny.

In a symbol of the shift in perception, the German Parliament plans a special session Friday to reflect upon "a day that stands for a new beginning, and the double liberation from war and Nazism."

A poll released last week showed 89 percent of Germans now think of the end of the war as liberation, with only 9 percent calling it a defeat. That compares to 35 percent who saw the Nazi fall as a defeat a decade ago. The Forsa institute poll of 18 to 85 year olds had a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

In marking the end of the war in Europe, Chancellor Angela Merkel has already paid tribute to Nazi victims in a ceremony at the Dachau concentration camp near Munich; on Sunday she will lay a wreath on the tomb of an unknown Red Army soldier buried in Moscow. Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier left Thursday to take part in ceremonies in Volgograd, formally Stalingrad, where the Soviets won a decisive victory over the Nazis in a turning point of the war.

The change in perception has not come overnight.

A groundbreaking moment came when then-West German President Richard von Weizsaecker's referred to Nazi Germany's defeat as a "day of liberation" in a speech marking the 40th anniversary of the war's end in 1985. When Weizsaecker died in January, Merkel said the comment was "a necessary, clear statement that was significant for our German self-image."

Another important landmark came in 2004, when then-Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder marked the 60th anniversary of Col. Claus von Stauffenberg's failed attempt to kill Hitler with a briefcase bomb by calling him and his co-conspirators heroes - erasing any perception of them as traitors as they had been labeled by the Nazis.

Schroeder was the first chancellor with no personal memory of the war himself. And only one member of Merkel's Cabinet - Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble - was born by the war's end.

Merkel in her video message this week stressed that her generation still had an historical obligation to fulfill.

"We Germans have a special responsibility to deal attentively, sensitively and skillfully with what we did in the Nazi era and what long-lasting wounds and concerns there are in other countries," she said. "I fully understand that."

German President Joachim Gauck, meanwhile, has said that paying tribute to Soviet soldiers would be at the center of his commemorations marking the events of May 1945 - although the former pastor from communist East Germany acknowledged that memories of the Soviet army are "ambivalent."

"On May 8, 1945, we were liberated - by the people of the Soviet Union, though not only them," he told the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung in an interview Saturday. "We owe them gratitude and respect. And that is the case regardless of the fact that the Soviet liberators ensured, as occupiers in eastern Germany after the war, a lack of freedom, repression and persecution."

The war remains so central to modern Germany that there is no danger of it being forgotten in Germany, even if perceptions have changed, said Berlin Free University historian Paul Nolte.

He noted how the French Revolution more than 200 years ago still plays a role today in French political discourse, and that the U.S. Civil War ended 150 years ago but remains part of the American racism debate today.

The Nazi era will be a decisive part of Germany's history, "long into the foreseeable future," he said.

"Even when it lies 200 years in the past."

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Kirsten Grieshaber and Geir Moulson contributed to this story.

 

[Koovie]

Germans have lost their mind and have become EuroFags.

I mean how stupid you would be to celebrate defeat of your country as liberation, howsoever atrocious your regime may be.

Because they arent a bunch of blind nationalists, but straightly thinking, more tolerant and democratic people?
Because the same regime that persecuted, arrested and butchered tens of thousands of Germans for opposing them?
Because the leader of the same regime openly stated that the Germans do not deserve to live because they lost to the Allies?
Because the same regime sent millions of them into their deaths... even children?
Because the same regime even hunted disabled people?
Because the same regime tricked and fooled them into utter destruction while mercilessly wiping out any opposition?
Because the same regime used them to commit one of the worst crimes in history of mankind?


There is a reason why resistance fighters like Stauffenberg or the White Rose are considered heroes in modern day Germany...

 

[Desert Fox]

May 7, 10:42 AM EDT

Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

By DAVID RISING
Associated Press

The troops of the 10th Tank Corps 5th Guards Tank Army 2nd Belorussian Front occupied city Mühlhausen (now the Polish city Młynary) the city was liberated from the Nazi troops January 24, 1945.​

BERLIN (AP) -- Millions of Germans experienced the fall of Nazi Germany 70 years ago Friday as total defeat. Today, most Germans view it as liberation from 12 years of tyranny.

In a symbol of the shift in perception, the German Parliament plans a special session Friday to reflect upon "a day that stands for a new beginning, and the double liberation from war and Nazism."

A poll released last week showed 89 percent of Germans now think of the end of the war as liberation, with only 9 percent calling it a defeat. That compares to 35 percent who saw the Nazi fall as a defeat a decade ago. The Forsa institute poll of 18 to 85 year olds had a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

In marking the end of the war in Europe, Chancellor Angela Merkel has already paid tribute to Nazi victims in a ceremony at the Dachau concentration camp near Munich; on Sunday she will lay a wreath on the tomb of an unknown Red Army soldier buried in Moscow. Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier left Thursday to take part in ceremonies in Volgograd, formally Stalingrad, where the Soviets won a decisive victory over the Nazis in a turning point of the war.

The change in perception has not come overnight.

A groundbreaking moment came when then-West German President Richard von Weizsaecker's referred to Nazi Germany's defeat as a "day of liberation" in a speech marking the 40th anniversary of the war's end in 1985. When Weizsaecker died in January, Merkel said the comment was "a necessary, clear statement that was significant for our German self-image."

Another important landmark came in 2004, when then-Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder marked the 60th anniversary of Col. Claus von Stauffenberg's failed attempt to kill Hitler with a briefcase bomb by calling him and his co-conspirators heroes - erasing any perception of them as traitors as they had been labeled by the Nazis.

Schroeder was the first chancellor with no personal memory of the war himself. And only one member of Merkel's Cabinet - Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble - was born by the war's end.

Merkel in her video message this week stressed that her generation still had an historical obligation to fulfill.

"We Germans have a special responsibility to deal attentively, sensitively and skillfully with what we did in the Nazi era and what long-lasting wounds and concerns there are in other countries," she said. "I fully understand that."

German President Joachim Gauck, meanwhile, has said that paying tribute to Soviet soldiers would be at the center of his commemorations marking the events of May 1945 - although the former pastor from communist East Germany acknowledged that memories of the Soviet army are "ambivalent."

"On May 8, 1945, we were liberated - by the people of the Soviet Union, though not only them," he told the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung in an interview Saturday. "We owe them gratitude and respect. And that is the case regardless of the fact that the Soviet liberators ensured, as occupiers in eastern Germany after the war, a lack of freedom, repression and persecution."

The war remains so central to modern Germany that there is no danger of it being forgotten in Germany, even if perceptions have changed, said Berlin Free University historian Paul Nolte.

He noted how the French Revolution more than 200 years ago still plays a role today in French political discourse, and that the U.S. Civil War ended 150 years ago but remains part of the American racism debate today.

The Nazi era will be a decisive part of Germany's history, "long into the foreseeable future," he said.

"Even when it lies 200 years in the past."

-----

Kirsten Grieshaber and Geir Moulson contributed to this story.

The Germans of post WW2 generations only know of the Nazi Germany they have learned about through their schools, textbooks, motion films and other media which continue to indoctrinate Germans with guilt, self hatred, and instill faggot values into German men.

The generation of Germans who lived through the years of Nazi rule only remember the rejuvination and class unity their nation experienced after the utter humiliation they suffered under the treaty of Versailles for 20 years; a humiliation which was imposed on them. The curent generations never lived through that era. So of course the indoctrinated and self hating Germans of today will celebrate the destruction and rape of their nation as "liberation" because that is what they have been taught to believe.

The Germany of today, despite its economic growth, remains a far cry of its former self. Its native pooulation has dwindled beyond the point of recovery and most Germans have becomed nothing but guilt ridden self hating automatons.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Because they arent a bunch of blind nationalists, but straightly thinking, more tolerant and democratic people?
Because the same regime that persecuted, arrested and butchered tens of thousands of Germans for opposing them?
Because the leader of the same regime openly stated that the Germans do not deserve to live because they lost to the Allies?
Because the same regime sent millions of them into their deaths... even children?
Because the same regime even hunted disabled people?
Because the same regime tricked and fooled them into utter destruction while mercilessly wiping out any opposition?
Because the same regime used them to commit one of the worst crimes in history of mankind?


There is a reason why resistance fighters like Stauffenberg or the White Rose are considered heroes in modern day Germany...

And how many germans died in allied bombing raids, suffered at the hands of soviet red army, faced subjugation under allied army occupation?

And while you are shouting that nazis were evil go and do a history check of the allies. France fought a bloody war in Vietnam and Algeria just to maintain their colonies and yes, they had to kill freedom fighters to do that.

The generation of Germans who lived through the years of Nazi rule only remember the rejuvination and class unity their nation experienced after the utter humiliation they suffered under the treaty of Versailles for 20 years; a humiliation which was imposed on them. So of course the indoctrinated and self hating Germans of today will celebrate the destruction and rape of their nation as "liberation".

Many of these so called bleeding hearts do not understand why the world wars were fought and how stained the hands of allied sldiers are. They learned their history from Hollywood.

 

[Koovie]

And how many germans died in allied bombing raids, suffered at the hands of soviet red army, faced subjugation under allied army occupation?

And while you are shouting that nazis were evil go and do a history check of the allies. France fought a bloody war in Vietnam and Algeria just to maintain their colonies and yes, they had to kill freedom fighters to do that.

And how is this supposed to make them more proud about the same government that literally claimed that the Germans do not deserve to continue to exist? Or all the other things I mentioned earlier?

Ever wondered that that the war was started by the Germans? Ever thought about the German bombing of London? Or how they wiped out entire villages and towns in the USSR? Or how they turned Stalingrad into a pile of rubble with their bombings (Ironically they literally dug their own grave with that) ? Or how they used their disgusting race "theory" to back up their claims? etc etc etc

It was war... total war (And who invented that term anyways?) and the main reason for its escalation was Hitler and co.

The Germans attitude towards their past and the way they cope with it speaks volumes about their maturity and rational way of thinking.

 

[Indian Patriot]

And how is this supposed to make them more proud about the same government that literally claimed that the Germans do not deserve to continue to exist? Or all the other things I mentioned earlier?

Ever wondered that that the war was started by the Germans? Ever thought about the German bombing of London? Or how they wiped out entire villages and towns in the USSR? Or how they turned Stalingrad into a pile of rubble with their bombings (Ironically they literally dug their own grave with that) ? Or how they used their disgusting race "theory" to back up their claims? etc etc etc

It was war... total war (And who invented that term anyways?) and the main reason for its escalation was Hitler and co.

The Germans attitude towards their past and the way they cope with it speaks volumes about their maturity and rational way of thinking.

When did nazis demand/claim that germans don't deserve to exist? Don't lie so openly. The Nazis were founded on German nationalistic pride, it was a right-wing party that believed in militant nationalism. If anything the nazis demanded that Germans feel proud of being germans and of being born in the aryan race

It was the treaty of versailles that the nazis exploited. The treaty treatd germans like outcastes and slaves, something the germans resented and hitler took advantage of.

The war was not started by the Germans, LOL!! It was started by the English and France. Hitler had also sent a truce offer to england which churhcill rejected with utter contempt. The bombing of London took place because hitler wanted to avenge the bombing of german civilian cities started by RAF commander bomber harris.

And don't even talk about race theories. The race problem was present in every allied country and is present in USA till today. Indians, turks,and a host of other soldiers fought for the nazis against colonialism. Only people who have absolutely no knowledge of history would blame hitler for everything.

The german attitude to how the allies treated them post war speaks volumes of how badly they were broken.

 

[Koovie]

Pathetic @Koovie retard, who love to suck teats of propaganda machine, and is incapable of independent thought or reason.

You continue making an utter fool out of yourself... how do you feel now after calling me "retard" ? Why get personal? Are you so frustrated in your life?

You ridiculous and frantic need of saying that I am incapable of independent thought for a thousand times makes you look like some frustrated and semi educated angry kiddo.

Funny thing: You accuse me of being a communist, propaganda spreader etc etc due to nothing else but political stereotyping (What a true sign of an independent think tank like you )... .yet you still could not provide us with ANY proof of it.

Your posts (Full of independent thinking) are the most pathetic and desperate I ve seen for a while

When did nazis demand/claim that germans don't deserve to exist? Don't lie so openly. The Nazis were founded on German nationalistic pride, it was a right-wing party that believed in militant nationalism. If anything the nazis demanded that Germans feel proud of being germans and of being born in the aryan race

1.) Hitler said it in the closing days of WW2... he believed that without victory, the Germans would not be entitled to live on.
2.) The Nazi party lived by exploiting fear, spreading fear (You know how they treated opposition?), hatred, errors in the German constitution etc etc etc
3.) You think militant nationalism is something to be proud of? Its on the same line as whatever ISIS is thinking they are...
4.) There are no races among modern day humans. Homo Sapiens Sapiens is the only existing one.

It was the treaty of versailles that the nazis exploited. The treaty treatd germans like outcastes and slaves, something the germans resented and hitler took advantage of.

Yes, he took advantage over it to mislead the German people into his crazy plans.

The war was not started by the Germans, LOL!! It was started by the English and France. Hitler had also sent a truce offer to england which churhcill rejected with utter contempt. The bombing of London took place because hitler wanted to avenge the bombing of german civilian cities started by RAF commander bomber harris.

1.) BS. Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland before the French and the UK had enough... The Poles were desperately pleading for help against the Nazi invasion. Of course the poor nazi scum were the victims here.
2.) No, the first bombings of cities were started by the Germans. Warsaw, Rotterdam and other cities were bombed before any RAF bombers attacked German cities.

And don't even talk about race theories. The race problem was present in every allied country and is present in USA till today. Indians, turks,and a host of other soldiers fought for the nazis against colonialism. Only people who have absolutely no knowledge of history would blame hitler for everything.

1.) No other nation at that time had such a disgusting system of racism as the nazis had. Nothing comes even close to it... even disabled people were seen as inferior human beings. Their views are no secret.
2.) They fought for the nazis because Germany lacked manpower like no other major participant in the war, they had to recruit foreigners in order to fill the gaps in 3rd class jobs like manning garrisons, flanks etc etc etc

In short, they were nothing else but means to an end
Do you know what Hitler thought about the Indians before the war started?



Once more: The Germans truly show how matured they have become: A peace and democracy loving, tolerant, stable, productive and prosperous member of the world community.

 

[Desert Fox]

There is a reason why resistance fighters like Stauffenberg or the White Rose are considered heroes in modern day Germany...

Funny thing is, Stauffenberg and other traitors who were involved in the July plot were betrayed by the British Radio Broadcasts who named every single one of them and gave away their positions to high ranking Nazis which lead to the executions of all July plotters.

The British & Americans were not interested in making peace with Germany, Hitler, or no Hitler:

"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."--Winston Churchill, Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145; quoted as per: Adrian Preissinger, Von Sachsenhausen bis Buchenwald, p. 23.