German actress Leyla Dastan decides to move to Pakistan permanently

[Indus Pakistan]

Aishwarya Rai, Mahira Khan

These examples you chose are outliers and not representative. And Mahira Khan does not have the same look as Rai.

favorite theory of Indus Civilization and "Gangu" Civilization, how to convince him otherwise ??

And yours is theory premised on British India. That is whatever gora soldiers conquered is and was one entity. From Khyber to Kerala we are all one. Because we were slaves of goras. Newsflash. They left in 1947.

Or will she live with genuine Pakistanis in the working class neighborhoods where your true average Pakistani lives?

That is unfair. Those said Pakistani's would sell a kidney to live in those gated communities you describe. If they could they would. They don't have choice. She has. This is not about Pakistani and non Pakistani. This is about choices available. Most British drive Audi's, BMW's, MB's, VW's etc. Most Paks drove Suzuki's or ride bikes. There is no joy in driving Suzuki Mehrans. If they had choice they would also upgrade to first world autocars.

 

[Zibago]

Idhr 2 shehro ki shaadi hoti hy janab. Ab 2 shehro ki 10 million abaadi ko to niraash ni kr sakty na

Yahan chacha,mama ,taya ,phupa ,nukar ali tina sab atey hain pori fauj ikathi hoti hy total estimated 470 guests hein

She's a Leftist, so I doubt she may have sympathy towards the idea of J&K joining Pakistan.

They are good as useless non violence wont work against a hinduvta ideology hellbent on demographic change

 

[Valar.]

Well, I welcome this woman to Pakistan

But my only question would be does she really want to be Pakistani? Ie will she live in some westernized gore wannabe liberal gated community in Pakistan? In that case she might as well stay in Germany?

Or will she live with genuine Pakistanis in the working class neighborhoods where your true average Pakistani lives?

Erm... I think you are confused between purchasing power and personal preference. One defines your class while the other defines your ideology.

There are woking class nieghbourhoods in Pak and then there are so called gated communities which range from lower middle class to upper class. And all different kind of people live in all those places.

There are so called westernised people from lower class to upper class. And then there are religious type of people in all different classes. And then there are so called cultural ones in all the classes.

All these people with different personal preferences in different attire/lifestyle live in all diferent kinds of niegbourhoods.

These neighbourhoods/societies define your class/purchasing power not your personal preference regarding idealogy.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Erm... I think you are confused between purchasing power and personal preference. One defines your class while the other defines your ideology.

There are woking class nieghbourhoods in Pak and then there are so called gated communities which range from lower middle class to upper class. And all different kind of people live in all those places.

There are so called westernised people from lower class to upper class. And then there are religious type of people in all different classes. And then there are so called cultural ones in all the classes.

All these people with different personal preferences in different attire/lifestyle live in all diferent kinds of niegbourhoods.

These neighbourhoods/societies define your class/purchasing power not your personal preference regarding idealogy.

There is overlap between personal preferance and purchasing power. The latter has impact on the former. There will come a time when Pakistan will have the purchasing power, the choices and be first world. When that time comes trust me Pakistan will resemble Turkey or broadly first world copuntries in personal preferances.

Here is third world Europe or precisely speaking Sarajevo in Bosnia. It is not much differant from Kabul 2020 although that is Sarajevo 1940 in heart of Europe in WW2. Note the ladies in full purdah or burqas.

 

[Yankee-stani]

There is overlap between personal preferance and purchasing power. The latter has impact on the former. There will come a time when Pakistan will have the purchasing power, the choices and be first world. When that time comes trust me Pakistan will resemble Turkey or broadly first world copuntries in personal preferances.

Here is third world Europe or precisely speaking Sarajevo in Bosnia. It is not much differant from Kabul 2020 although that is Sarajevo 1940 in heart of Europe in WW2. Note the ladies in full purdah or burqas.

Well Yugoslavia went through a post war industrial boom and become one of the fastest growing economies in the Eastern Block sigh it all had to break up in the 1990s

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What is exactly gora is also open to interpretation. Many Pakistani's could pass off as 'gora' if your definition includes Turks. So do most Iranians, many Afghans, Syrians, Lebanese etc. On the other hand Turks were often regarded as 'dirty Asiatics; until recently by North Europeans. Indeed even the swarthy Italians, Cypriots etc were looked down.

 

[Mentee]

@Zibago @Mentee @RealNapster, she looks quite desi.

Heil Leyla

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Heil Leyla

Calm down.

 

[Progressive1]

There is such a thing as a South Asian look. For example, Aishwarya Rai, Mahira Khan and Tamannaah Bhatia.

Leyla has that look.

But of course, if Indus Pakistan wants to put forth his favorite theory of Indus Civilization and "Gangu" Civilization, how to convince him otherwise ??

there is a south asian look and rai, tammana, mahira , sajal ali, disha patani, ayeza khan have this south asian look , but layela doesnt she looks Turkish only thing she saheres with above mentioned ladies is skin color.

 

[Yankee-stani]

What is exactly gora is also open to interpretation. Many Pakistani's could pass off as 'gora' if your definition includes Turks. So do most Iranians, many Afghans, Syrians, Lebanese etc. On the other hand Turks were often regarded as 'dirty Asiatics; until recently by North Europeans. Indeed even the swarthy Italians, Cypriots etc were looked down.

Reminds of scene in this film by Quentin Tarantino

 

[Desert Fox]

That is unfair. Those said Pakistani's would sell a kidney to live in those gated communities you describe. If they could they would. They don't have choice. She has. This is not about Pakistani and non Pakistani. This is about choices available. Most British drive Audi's, BMW's, MB's, VW's etc. Most Paks drove Suzuki's or ride bikes. There is no joy in driving Suzuki Mehrans. If they had choice they would also upgrade to first world autocars

Yes, certainly i agree that outside those islands of gated communities there is impoverishment and material backwardness (in terms of infrastructure). But then you have to accept the good with the bad.

Those gated communities are exceptions to the rule, where only a minority elite westernized class live. They don't represent the vast majority of average Pakistanis or their culture and experiences.

Most Pakistanis neither live in those places nor do they act and behave like that.

If someone is going to move to Pakistan from a western country only to live in an island of westernized community in Pakistan then what was the purpose of moving? At least in Germsny she can find the same standard of living and real Western culture that she likes rather than move to Pakistan only to live among the faux Westerners.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Yes, certainly i agree that outside those islands of gated communities there is impoverishment and material backwardness (in terms of infrastructure). But then you have to accept the good with the bad.

Those gated communities are exceptions to the rule, where only a minority elite westernized class live. They don't represent the vast majority of average Pakistanis or their culture and experiences.

Most Pakistanis neither live in those places nor do they act and behave like that.

If someone is going to move to Pakistan from a western country only to live in an island of westernized community in Pakistan then what was the purpose of moving? At least in Germsny she can find the same standard of living and real Western culture that she likes rather than move to Pakistan only to live among the faux Westerners.

I was looking at her IMBd profile she is only done like one low budget film perhaps she is just moving to get some film credits and to further her career and who knows some sub-par Pakistani director hired this "foreigner" for their film or tv projects that often happen's in a lot of countries where film industry isnt great or well known hire a bunch of foreigners for a small role or role of willy foreigner

 

[B.K.N]

At least in Germsny she can find the same standard of living and real Western culture that she likes rather than move to Pakistan only to live among the faux Westerners.

She is coming to work in some film with Javed shaikh and muamar Rana.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

If someone is going to move to Pakistan from a western country only to live in an island of westernized community in Pakistan then what was the purpose of moving? At least in Germsny she can find the same standard of living and real Western culture that she likes rather than move to Pakistan only to live among the faux Westerners.

Your argumant is invalid. It would be like expecting me to ride a donkey, live in a traditional non electric home, carry no mobile etc in Pakistan because that is all western consumer culture foisted in Pakistan. I don't have to live like a Sindhi serf when visiting or living in Sindh. If I can afford to then I can enjoy what modern life offers. Or is there some inverse racism at play here. I got to live like slumdog if I have brown skin?

 

[Yankee-stani]

She is coming to work in some film with Javed shaikh and muamar Rana.

Knew it some sub-par Pakistani director hired some lesser known German actress for film projects

Your argumant is invalid. It would be like expecting me to ride a donkey, live in a traditional non electric home, carry no mobile etc in Pakistan because that is all western consumer culture foisted in Pakistan. I don't have to live like a Sindhi serf when visiting or living in Sindh. If I can afford to then I can enjoy what modern life offers. Or is there some inverse racism at play here. I got to live like slumdog if I have brown skin?

I think what he means is that at the current state of Pakistan that she most likely would be around folks in the elite or upper classes then again someone mentioned she is working on film and tv projects there