Generals — theirs and ours

[Paan Singh]

I would like to point out to the hypocritical Indians here,
You call us Islamist, extremists, mullahs, etc etc and now they are getting all sensitive about "hindu mentality"

Cry me a bloody river.

but then again, there is a reason the letters "h y p o c r i t i c a l" are worn out on my keyboard after joining this forum.
It is the one trait that seems to be exhibited the most by our Indian friends here.

kyun bhai ki hoya??try to trust mods

 

[third eye]

I would like to point out to the hypocritical Indians here,
You call us Islamist, extremists, mullahs, etc etc and now they are getting all sensitive about "hindu mentality"

Cry me a bloody river.

but then again, there is a reason the letters "h y p o c r i t i c a l" are worn out on my keyboard after joining this forum.
It is the one trait that seems to be exhibited the most by our Indian friends here.

If you don't appreciate anything speak up.

Stand up for what you feel is wrong.

Don't just generalize and don't carry a grudge .

 

[Peregrine]

So here's some thing amusing. My brother was appointed to serve as an ADC to a newly promoted Maj General, the next day he received a call from general's wife saying ''Can you clarify my appointments please'' the lady was under the impression that she has become the ''First Lady'' of Pakistan.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I agree with the basic premise of this thread that Indian Generals and Pakistani Soldiers are superior. I have long advocated a restructuring of Pakistani General staff Promotional Criteria. The Problem is what makes a good Major or Lt. Col, makes for a terrible Major General or Lt. General. The Staff College curriculum tries to bridge this gap but is apparently not getting the job done in Pakistan Armed Forces. Look at the clowns in Pak Navy. Did anyone see the response of Admiral Bashir after the Mehran attack when he held a press conference to claim that there was no security lapse. What a joker ? Two P3 Orions are burning and he thinks there was no security lapse. I rest my case.

 

[GURU DUTT]

I agree with the basic premise of this thread that Indian Generals and Pakistani Soldiers are superior. I have long advocated a restructuring of Pakistani General staff Promotional Criteria. The Problem is what makes a good Major or Lt. Col, makes for a terrible Major General or Lt. General. The Staff College curriculum tries to bridge this gap but is apparently not getting the job done in Pakistan Armed Forces. Look at the clowns in Pak Navy. Did anyone see the response of Admiral Bashir after the Mehran attack when he held a press conference to claim that there was no security lapse. What a joker ? Two P3 Orions are burning and he thinks there was no security lapse. I rest my case.

sir kindly pardon me if you think im being harsh but the hard reality is that General's across the services be it Army , Navy or Air force treat law of land as there subordinate , and its not the job of Armed Forces to run backeries, Shadee hall's & Petrol Pumps ..let alone let them operte in vincinity of Sensitive instalation's , there is no accountability or inspection & anual audit of any branch...so how come you expect these type of "General's" to be Deciplined & professional ? let alone impartial & self corrective???????? KIndly do respond ...Thanks Again.

 

[Leader]

We know how some Pakistanis use the term hindu mentality or hindu zehneeyat and with what intentions .

We have heard it enough times in Pakistani media

if diplomacy was an abuse for you, so was this term... now bug off.

 

[OrionHunter]

I would like to point out to the hypocritical Indians here,
You call us Islamist, extremists, mullahs, etc etc.

Nope! Most don't. Extremists are extremist. Mullahs are Mullahs. The vast majority of Pakistanis don't fall in this category!

It is the one trait that seems to be exhibited the most by our Indian friends here.

Does that include me?

 

[Pakistanisage]

sir kindly pardon me if you think im being harsh but the hard reality is that General's across the services be it Army , Navy or Air force treat law of land as there subordinate , and its not the job of Armed Forces to run backeries, Shadee hall's & Petrol Pumps ..let alone let them operte in vincinity of Sensitive instalation's , there is no accountability or inspection & anual audit of any branch...so how come you expect these type of "General's" to be Deciplined & professional ? let alone impartial & self corrective???????? KIndly do respond ...Thanks Again.

That is part of the problem but the main issue for me is still the lack of Professionalism in the Armed forces at the highest Echelons. I want my Majors and Colonels to be brave and smart. I want my Generals to be wise and visionaries who have the uncanny ability to look into future and plan and strategize.

But then again the lack of leadership has dogged Pakistan since its birth. Look at the quality of our Politicians versus Indian Politicians.

 

[prabhakar]

]That is part of the problem but the main issue for me is still the lack of Professionalism in the Armed forces at the highest Echelons.[/B] I want my Majors and Colonels to be brave and smart. I want my Generals to be wise and visionaries who have the uncanny ability to look into future and plan and strategize.

But then again the lack of leadership has dogged Pakistan since its birth. Look at the quality of our Politicians versus Indian Politicians.

isn't the generals come from the same background ? they followed the same path as their seniors...

 

[hunter_hunted]

Oh man I am late if I were first to comment this would be my comment "Let the war begin"

 

[OrionHunter]

So here's some thing amusing. My brother was appointed to serve as an ADC to a newly promoted Maj General, the next day he received a call from general's wife saying ''Can you clarify my appointments please'' the lady was under the impression that she has become the ''First Lady'' of Pakistan.

That's nothing! Some years ago, one of my friends was appointed ADC to a General whose lady love asked the ADC to go get her a couple of bras and black panties from the super market!! She even gave him the sizes!!! Sheeeesh!

Well, it seems some Generals' wives are the ones who wear the pants at home! The Generals are just their sidekicks! Hen-pecked and terrified at home, but self styled heroes outside!!!

Cheers!

 

[Paan Singh]

But indian politics have made the indian generals toothless warriors.Recent vks issue was example.He was forced to say that "am i pakistani general".He had to shift the plot but he couldn't.There must be some respect of generals and indian politics have eaten that respect.

 

[IND151]

neither indian generals nor soliders are competent as compared to Pakistani generals or soliders,

its Indian diplomacy that works mod edit

but my understanding of history suggests otherwise

in 1965 both PA and IA weren't perfect

by 1971 India corrected its mistakes and the war saw perfect synergy between IA,IN and IAF backed by tireless diplomatic efforts by India which ensured that Pakistan wont be able to use Muslim card to cut Arab oil to Indian War Machine

India also made sure that china wont be able to hep Pak (although it wasn't willing to join war as Nixon Confirmed.

We had superior Generals like Manekshaw, JFR Jacaob and Jagjitsingh Arora

our soldiers fought bravely and our forces bypassed defenses set up by Yaha Khan

we repeated the success in 1984

we took quick decision and Pak lost Siachin Glacier by just minutes

in 1999 we couldn't detect invaders quickly but we finally won the battle.

 

[Mech]

Neither our generals nor your soldiers are "superior" to the other. In India, the army did exactly what it was supposed to do...and nothing more. Till date no army general has ever attempted to usurp the national government. Regardless of the consequences, they have stuck to the parameters set by politicos.

We are a democracy, and we will always be a democracy. It is impossible to govern India with any other form of governance. The extreme ethnic diversity in our armed forces ensures that NO GENERAL in his right mind would even attempt a coup.

 

[gubbi]

It is often said that Pakistan has better soldiers but India has better generals.

Hogwash. That and "lions led by lambs" BS is just a smokescreen to hide PA's inadequacies in the face of Pakistani public. That's what's known as "self-consolation".

Both Indian and Pakistani Generals rise through the commissioned officer ranks. Right? Basic training and other experiences are almost similar in both armies. Then how is that an Indian officer rising through the ranks gains experience and learns from it and goes on to become an accomplished General - a lion so to speak, while a similar officer rising through the ranks in PA slowly metamorphosizes into a "lamb"?

And idiotic is the public which buys into all this propaganda, hook, line & stinker!