Generals — theirs and ours

[Lone Shooter]

From the Indian side those interviewed included: Maj-Gen Gagandeep Bakshi, Lt-Gen Kamaleshwar Dawar, General VP Malik, etc. From Pakistan, we have General Mirza Aslam Beg, General Hamid Gul, General Talat Masood, Major-Gen Syed Wajahat Hussain, Brigadier Shaukat Qadir, etc.

Not familiar with the names on Indian side but interesting choice of selection of general officers from Pakistan side. I fully respect the author’s choice of selection as it was their book to write but I have my own reasons to object. Aslam baig although went on to become COAS but under circumstances open to debate. Even as CAOS he was a person who was politically involved more than any other general in the service of PA, hence not a true military general in my view. Not many ppl know that Hamid Gul was almost sacked after he questioned his posting to POF and was asked to go home in an honourable way eventually, meaning by not an ideal personality military discipline wise. Dont even get me started on Mr talat hussain.

While I appreciate the personality wise diversity in selection of the generals, I feel that there are more able general officers to comment on such subject. In my opinion few choices could have been Sahabzada Yaqoob Khan, Jahangir Karamat, Qadir Baloch or Ghulam Muhammad Malik to name a few. At least thats my opinion, for whatever weight it has.

 

[divya]

neither indian generals nor soliders are competent as compared to Pakistani generals or soliders,

its Indian diplomacy that works mod edit

Yeah right Hindus are born with a "Chip" in their head unlike other humans....

 

[Peregrine]

It's an open secret that indian generals are more professional than Pakistani generals........... Any body remember, a serving Lt Gen as a Chairman of PCB, who later on tried to fit his bald son into team as well? In Pakistan, the moment a Brig is promoted to the rank of a general, not only he himself, but his entire family is lifted to an exalted status in Pakistani society as if they are out of this world.

 

[Leader]

Yeah right Hindus are born with a "Chip" in their head unlike other humans....

If I were you or your kind-- I would take that as a compliment... none the less, it was for those who understand...

 

[IND151]

neither indian generals nor soliders are competent as compared to Pakistani generals or soliders,

its Indian diplomacy that works mod edit

however my understanding of all indo pak wars suggests otherwise

i agree IA and IAF weren't perfect in 1965

but neither was PA

India corrected its mistake and in 1971 IA,IN and IAF worked with perfect synergy between them apart from tireless diplomatic efforts of inida which made sure that pak cant play Muslim card to block Arab oil to Indian war machine

while doing so India made sure that China wont be able too help its ally (in fact china wasn't willing to as Nixon confirmed)

 

[GURU DUTT]

however my understanding of all indo pak wars suggests otherwise

i agree IA and IAF weren't perfect in 1965

but neither was PA

India corrected its mistake and in 1971 IA,IN and IAF worked with perfect synergy between them apart from tireless diplomatic efforts of inida which made sure that pak cant play Muslim card to block Arab oil to Indian war machine

while doing so India made sure that China wont be able too help its ally (in fact china wasn't willing to as Nixon confirmed)

that's the main diff between India & Pkaistan ....and thats because of disipline & professionalism..but the thing is has PA or its hierarchy learned there lessons &changed or are they still livng in there wonderland ??????

 

[Paan Singh]

i like hamid gul most.This guy have knowledge but also full of delusions

 

[Leader]

however my understanding of all indo pak wars suggests otherwise

i agree IA and IAF weren't perfect in 1965

but neither was PA

India corrected its mistake and in 1971 IA,IN and IAF worked with perfect synergy between them apart from tireless diplomatic efforts of inida which made sure that pak cant play Muslim card to block Arab oil to Indian war machine

while doing so India made sure that China wont be able too help its ally (in fact china wasn't willing to as Nixon confirmed)

India wasnot running the show...and that the military muscle is a tool in the game of war... however, India learned from its mistakes on the field, and achieved its goals.

 

[IND151]

double post

 

[T-Faz]

Gen. Hamid Gul is an example of what is wrong with the PA and what has been wrong with PA for some time.

Here we have a General who at the behest of US overlooked a war that caused insane amounts of damage to Pakistan but as long as he was benefitting from it, he did not care for the country he is meant to serve. When the Americans dumped him, he went mad and become increasingly delusional.

This individual himself lives a comfortable lifestyle and his business was able to push out competitors because of his connections and through intimidation. On a professional level, his record is absymal, everyone knows the debacle of Jalalabad but he himself woulf never mention that fact.

Instead of concentrating on what these General should be doing, they go out of their domain to overlook matters that are of no concern to them.

Quite a few Generals lacked discipline and we suffer as a result today.

 

[Paan Singh]

Gen. Hamid Gul is an example of what is wrong with the PA and what has been wrong for some time.

Here we have a General who on the behest of US overlooked a war that caused insane amounts of damage to Pakistan but as long as he was benefitting from it, he did not care for the country he meant to serve. When the Americans dumped him, he went mad and become increasingly delusional.

This individual himself lives a comfortable lifestyle and his business was able to push out competitors because of his connections and intimidation. On a professional level, his record is absymal, everyone knows the debacle of Jalalabad but he himself woulf never mention the fact.

Instead of concentrating on what these General should be doing, they go out of their domain to overlook matters that are of no concern to them.

Quite a few Generals lacked discipline and we suffer as a result today.

Gul says,pakistan was right to participate in soviet war with U.S coz USSR was going to occupy pakistan.
Do u buy his story??He is emotional one but quite delusional too.

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Gen. Hamid Gul is an example of what is wrong with the PA and what has been wrong for some time.

Here we have a General who on the behest of US overlooked a war that caused insane amounts of damage to Pakistan but as long as he was benefitting from it, he did not care for the country he meant to serve. When the Americans dumped him, he went mad and become increasingly delusional.

This individual himself lives a comfortable lifestyle and his business was able to push out competitors because of his connections and intimidation. On a professional level, his record is absymal, everyone knows the debacle of Jalalabad but he himself woulf never mention the fact.

Instead of concentrating on what these General should be doing, they go out of their domain to overlook matters that are of no concern to them.

Quite a few Generals lacked discipline and we suffer as a result today.

Gul says,pakistan was right to participate in soviet war with U.S coz USSR was going to occupy pakistan.
Do u buy his story??He is emotional one but quite delusional too.

 

[SEAL]

Pakistani generals think they are kings but this has changed now people abuse them along with politicians in open public and today zardari and hussain haqqani have more support then bhagora musharaff, Indian generals lol lacks professionalism IA didn't induct a single AA gun in past 12 years, current Indian general is fighting over his age issue, ex-deepker kapoora was dumb from one ear.

Lower rank officers and Jawans are real heroes from both sides.

 

[T-Faz]

Gul says,pakistan was right to participate in soviet war with U.S coz USSR was going to occupy pakistan.
Do u buy his story??He is emotional one but quite delusional too.

USSR didn't even invade Afghanistan, so why were they going to invade Pakistan?

The PDPA, which was the ruling party of Afghanistan, invited the Soviets to quell the Islamist uprising against their modernization plan.

Had they wanted to invade Pakistan, they would have done so and they had enough reasons to do so. I remember that the Soviets on many occasions did not cross into Pakistan while chasing the "Moojahidoon". They used to lodge complaints through proper channels while Pakistan was fully involved in an external matter.

This whole "Soviet wants access to warm waters of Pakistan" was a line used by the Americans and Zia's government to sell our involvement in the Soviet war.

Whatever Hamid Gul says, believe the opposite.

 

[Paan Singh]

USSR didn't even invade Afghanistan, so why were they going to invade Pakistan?

The PDPA, which was the ruling party of Afghanistan, invited the Soviets to quell the Islamist uprising against their modernization plan.

Had they wanted to invade Pakistan, they would have done so and they had enough reasons to do so. I remember that the Soviets on many occasions did not cross into Pakistan while chasing the "Moojahidoon". They used to lodge complaints through proper channels while Pakistan was fully involved in an external matter.

This whole "Soviet wants access to warm waters of Pakistan" was a line used by the Americans and Zia's government to sell our involvement in the Soviet war.

Whatever Hamid Gul says, believe the opposite.

but your public opinion makes him hero.agree or not?

 

[T-Faz]

but your public opinion makes him hero.agree or not?

Yes to a certain extent, a specific section which might be the majority in this country does support him and his views.

But look at our standing and image today with such "heros".