Generals Duffer Kyon Hein? | On The Psychology of Military Incompetence | Adil Raja Exclusive

[villageidiot]

All of 'em along with outmaneuvered, outsmarted and outgunned.

and do you think the military outplaying, overpowering, outnumbering, outmaneuvering, outsmarting and outgunning a civilian leader barely holding onto a weak coalition govt in Mumlikat-e-Khudadad Pakistan makes for a good talking point in a debate?

 

[Sinnerman108]

Generals Duffer Kyon Hein? | On The Psychology of Military Incompetence | Adil Raja Exclusive​

Oh, he missed to call them Dangerous Duffers!!

The Psycho Analysis was just right, we need to know the psyche of them.

There was a thread here a few months ago,
regarding the report generated by American officers on Pak Army, and his time at Staff College Quetta.

He had made some very damning observations on the lack of free thought, and the "Sir Jee" culture.
maybe one of the mods can dig it up, @SQ8 or @WebMaster

That thread should be merged here, or at least a link posted, to give perspective.

 

[Valar.]

and do you think the military outplaying, overpowering, outnumbering, outmaneuvering, outsmarting and outgunning a civilian leader barely holding onto a weak coalition govt in Mumlikat-e-Khudadad Pakistan makes for a good talking point in a debate?

Never claimed any such thing. Reality is, what it is and what it has always been. You want to change it, figure out some creative ways to systematically change it. It will take time, a very long time. Expecting quick results with boring 100 rallies/protests with 1000's paid media cell tweets won't solve it.

 

[ziaulislam]

Never claimed any such thing. Reality is, what it is and what it has always been. You want to change it, figure out some creative ways to systematically change it. It will take time, a very long time. Expecting quick results with boring 100 rallies/protests with 1000's paid media cell tweets won't solve it.

It will change only on Turkish or bengaldeshi model..
Few 1000s will die, gunships will fire on people and parliament and triple 111 brigade form tarbela will attack on Islamabad, people will come out and ultimately several generals will be hanged

As rana sanullah said we and PTI are enemies one will only remaining

 

[villageidiot]

Never claimed any such thing. Reality is, what it is and what it has always been. You want to change it, figure out some creative ways to systematically change it. It will take time, a very long time. Expecting quick results with boring 100 rallies/protests with 1000's paid media cell tweets won't solve it.

I have yet to meet a fellow youthia who says the end result they are looking for is rallies and tweets. Those are just the means. (And they have worked well, I think you'll agree). Everyone is asking for elections.

That's how it's meant to be. You come up with an idea. You spread it until you have enough people backing it. Come to power via an election. Implement your idea/make the change. That seems to be the only way, short of armed insurrection. Idk if that's what you mean when you talk about creative method.

 

[Mugen]

I have yet to meet a fellow youthia who says the end result they are looking for is rallies and tweets. Those are just the means. (And they have worked well, I think you'll agree). Everyone is asking for elections.

That's how it's meant to be. You come up with an idea. You spread it until you have enough people backing it. Come to power via an election. Implement your idea/make the change. That seems to be the only way, short of armed insurrection. Idk if that's what you mean when you talk about creative method.

Lol, isn't he a bit of an idiot? Instead of supporting the only people who are trying with whatever means, he is supporting the Napak fauj.

 

[Valar.]

I have yet to meet a fellow youthia who says the end result they are looking for is rallies and tweets. Those are just the means. (And they have worked well, I think you'll agree). Everyone is asking for elections.

That's how it's meant to be. You come up with an idea. You spread it until you have enough people backing it. Come to power via an election. Implement your idea/make the change. That seems to be the only way, short of armed insurrection. Idk if that's what you mean when you talk about creative method.

All good, but speaking Pajeet language, calling others Faujeet, dreaming about breaking Pakistan into multiple pieces, asking for armed insurgency, mutiny in Army, civil disobedience, praying for bankruptcy, having some sadistic joy by calling entire nation as castrated, weak, cowards while mostly sitting outside is not okay. You want to ask for election, work towards asking for it under civility instead of 24/7 emotional drama.

 

[Olympus81]

In my humble opinion, now that the dufferness of the our good old Generals, Lt Generals, Brigadiers have been identified, I’d like to propose the following steps.

Masters in Arts and graduates of similar qualifications be assigned Brigadiers position immediately.

PhDs to be assigned to Lt Gen, Generals position.

They can learn on the job.

When the serving and retired army personnels can run state enterprises then why not.

 

[Valar.]

Lol, isn't he a bit of an idiot? Instead of supporting the only people who are trying with whatever means, he is supporting the Napak fauj.

See this @villageidiot ?

 

[Olympus81]

Guys, hitting the military leadership is all ok but please refrain from hitting the lower level soldiers and officers.

Words like Napak Fauj should not be used. Please.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I am 100% sure good and patriotic officers are there, but they've been taken over by the corrupt ones at the helms, thanks to the absence of a strong civilian leadership...

Turkey went through a similar phase. The General Staffs were so much into the politics that a senior politician once remarked: "They talk about and know everything other than the military matters. We can't win wars under these generals". It was in 2014 or 15. Now, look at the Turkish army's achievements, thanks to the purging done in 2016 after the failed coup......

An empty house is better than bad tenants. If IK can purge out 80% of the 2 stars and above, Pak would be OK....

The PMA grads get commissioned as cobras, but retire (if promoted beyond colonel) as garden snakes....

 

[villageidiot]

All good, but speaking Pajeet language, calling others Faujeet, dreaming about breaking Pakistan into multiple pieces, asking for armed insurgency, mutiny in Army, civil disobedience, praying for bankruptcy, having some sadistic joy by calling entire nation as castrated, weak, cowards while mostly sitting outside is not okay. You want to ask for election, work towards asking for it under civility instead of 24/7 emotional drama.

Yaar, do you seriously think all of this is intentional?

They are asking for elections but they aren't getting it. This is just anger and frustration. Because all the people have is their voices. I am not saying it's all justified but I can understand the reasoning behind it, how to end this and and most of all, WHO can end it.

It's simple. Give people their space back. As of now, they have none, except the streets and social media, both of which are being actively denied to them as well. A state is not just one pillar. It's an arrangement/social contract with everything going into a designated place.

BTW, what counts as asking for elections under civility and how does IK's method deviate from civility.

First they asked him to show intent by dissolving assemblies. He did.
They literally threw the constitution is dustbin by denying the elections until the magical date of 8th October. Are you certain the financial and security situation in the country will magically get better and the state which cannot hold election in one province at a time (even KP and Punjab elections fell on different dates) will be able to hold elections in all 4 provinces. If the security and economic situation of the past one year is any indicator, will they have the money and manpower to hold elections in the entire country in October.

Are you sure they won't pull another trick out of the bag or delay elections again on the same pretext again?

The Hon'ble CJP threatened with action if he noticed ill-intent in the holding of elections and the same night, ECP called his bluff. PTI has gone to SC for implementation of it's order and to enforce the fundamental right to vote.

Keep in mind, SC is the very last hope and beyond that, I fail to see civility prevailing.

So, I'll ask again, what is your suggestion regarding that and what do you think counts are creative methods?

EDIT: Seems we may have our answer. Here you go.

How come forwarding election date is wrong? Chief justice of banana republic of Pakistan​

 

[AA_]

Late to this conversation. I read that Bajwa met an Indian real estate agent in Dubai to purchase properties? What a corrupt haramzadi force with retarded stunted low iqs leading it.

 

[villageidiot]

Late to this conversation. I read that Bajwa met an Indian real estate agent in Dubai to purchase properties? What a corrupt haramzadi force with retarded stunted low iqs leading it.

Sir, it doesn't matter if he meets indians or Imaam-e-Kaaba. His deeds are there for all to see. What he does now is inconsequential to the clusterf*ck he left behind. I can only hope he is punished and an example is made out of him.

 

[AA_]

Sir, it doesn't matter if he meets indians or Imaam-e-Kaaba. His deeds are there for all to see. What he does now is inconsequential to the clusterf*ck he left behind. I can only hope he is punished and an example is made out of him.

Sorry, it matters to me. I want my COAS to be full of murderous hatred for the enemy, so much that it will overcome all his other shortcomings, and he will put the might of the nation above his petty corruption. No self respecting COAS should meet the enemy in any field except battle.
This organization is just as big of an enemy to Muslims as Israelis, Indians, and Zionist Westerners are. It cannot be redeemed. Pakistan needs a new force. Basically SS and SA in pre war NAZI Germany