jhungary
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They are going to see worse, that's the problem, but then it's not Hamas that is going to suffer, it's going to be everyday Gazan, Palestinian.Let me clarify something here, I have sympathies for Palestinian cause. They have been suffering endlessly, and they like any human have full rights to live with dignity and have freedom. No human should be facing such situations, and its wrong. There is no ifs and buts there for me.
You would notice that my country, for long long time never openly supported Israel. As a country who was under Colonial rule, and has faced external invasions its but clear what the Palestinians are suffering mentally and physically for me as a Indian.
What I have been pointing out here, is that this action by Hamas is not well thought out on a end game level. Something @jhungary has written well, since he seems to have a better military knowledge compared to me as a civilian.
Yes they have done a brilliant tactical action, and caught Israel's with their pants down literally. This attack will be resulting in discussions in every intelligence and military outfit of Israel, for decades to come.
Wonderful but now what? As expected the West is on Israeli side, and Iran and one or two other Middle Eastern nations on Palestinian side.
Its possible Chinese and Russians will try to appear neutral, but make sure any actions which give advantage to Israel are negated at UN level. I think it already happened, in the UNSC meeting.
The West however will not care for any UN resolution, and go in full to support Israel as is happening as well.
The few Middle Eastern nations actually supporting Palestine, have always supported them. The rest who were moving towards rapprochement with Israel, will now stop fearing internal reprisals against rulers. However will they do anything more than lip service? Has Hamas gained new supporters, other than adrenaline drunk people on social media, who sit safe and got nothing to lose on personal level?
This is all at a geopolitical level, where Israel now has full support from those who matter. What did Hamas achieve here, other than social media following (which is so short-term as people shift to next big thing within days if not weeks)?
On a tactical or military level, they (Israel's) are now on backfoot. I am a civilian but do listen to military experts, who are coming onto youtube more and more these days. From what I hear, their situation is similar to what happened in Yom Kippur war where they got surprised with attacks on two fronts. The end result was a stalemate, but over time they actually gained more land using strong arm tactics and other means.
Currently they need to secure their people, who have been taken prisoners. It will be political suicide for Bibi, if he messes anything on this front. So they are on backfoot here too, but for how long? Once they go all out, does Hamas have the means to fight conventionally against IDF? Let us say they do, but can they overrun Israeli's? Or can only defend themselves? Either way, the war is not going to be a short one right?
So even on the military level, other than giving Israel a blood bath -- they haven't thought of any proper endgame no?
A community that has already been suffering badly, will see even worse conditions won't they?
This is my point of view, and I fully stand with Palestinians in their struggle for better life. However I don't stand for massacre of Civilians, by organizations like Hamas who actually hurt the people of Palestine more than they benefit them. You or anyone can totally disagree with me, as its your right.
The Israeli equate this to their own 9/11, some even goes further and said this is 9/11, Pearl Harbor put into one. They now only have revenge in their mind, and I know for a fact, because I was part of it, after 9/11, we went in there and fu.k shit up, kicking cans and blowing shit up, But we still have ROE we need to follow, they don't have ROE in Israeli, this is going to be a revenge ops, the Israeli are massing 300,000+ troop for mass casualty. And sad thing is, it's not really Hamas they are after, they are there going after everyone. And the world will let them do it, and that's the possibly the saddest thing.
On the other hand, in the long term, the 2 states solution is gone, there are no way Israel would accept any 2 state solutions after this, well, to be fair, 2 states solution exist in name only even before the attack, this attack has written the death certificate of any probability that Israel is going to agree with 2 states. Which mean the only way now for Palestinian can declare independence is basically eliminate Israel and the west that is backing the Israeli........