Gandhi endorses allegations of war crimes against Sri Lanka

[oprih]

Indian army has more war crimes against people of Kashmir, people of North East india, and the indians from the lower castes. UN needs to immediately form a special committee that will spank india.

 

[Moon]

How to do that when exactly Tamils were being slaughtered? India never poked its nose until Lanka supported Pakistan logistically during 71 war, which was uncalled for. It was only after this incident, India took "interest" in Lanka.

And because of that, you have China in your backyard, good going.

 

[Moon]

Well we will do whatever for our own permanent interest .That is how the world works .We dont care about others concerns .
So far we wont support terrorism .LTTE was one mistake and we ended that in there .
Now we use our own diplomatic capability .

At the cost of angering thousands of citizens of a foreign country?, if they say no, what will India do, use force? And what will that mean? .
You guessed it.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

And because of that, you have China in your backyard, good going.

Same Blood bro. We are at them. We have been invited by Viets to Japanese to have a base, for a reason not known to us as we do not have any stake in SCS. Cos China's neighbours are unhappy with them.

We or other nations do not need to cede a part of territory like Pakistan to befriend China, you see

 

[Moon]

Same Blood bro. We are at them. We have been invited by Viets to Japanese to have a base, for a reason not known to us as we do not have any stake in SCS. Cos China's neighbours are unhappy with them.

We or other nations do not need to cede a part of territory like Pakistan to befriend China, you see

But dear, you already ceded your territory to China.

 

[tested]

It's not about same as China,
Nations which befriended India a long time ago are tilting away from her, and frankly India has no right to support an ethnicity just because it had "kingdoms".
Foster good a relationship within your neighborhood, start by becoming a "friend" rather a "regional power". If you can't do that, well then India is a one way ticket for nations in the region to claim fame.

Incorrect.
Nations that were tilting away from India have started coming back to India.

Examples:
1. Bangladesh - under Zia BD was a mini-Pakistan, acting against India on every issue. Today they are firmly with us.
2. Myanmar - Was completely in China's camp with China supporting the Myanmar junta. With junta softening its position and political parties coming(Syu Ki is almost Indian and called daughter by the last Prez of India), the situation has reversed.

Myanmar is today building economic transnational corridors with India with open access. India has also started supplying military gear to Myanmar, building roads, bridges and ports in Myanmar constructed by our military engineering cell mind you. India also brought US round to rapprochement with Myanmar and has practically undercut Chinese influence at the legs there.

3.Indonesia - a country that once supported Pakistan so much that it sent military naval vessels against India. Today not only do we have extensive economic relations with visa-on-arrival for Indians and vice versa...but massive defense relations, Indian AF trains Indonesian pilots.
4. Malaysia - Never too friendly with us ...same story as with Indonesia.

India has assiduously cultivated relations with every single country in our Eastern sea rim to the point that they are not just economic partners, but friends of India today.

Bhutan is already firmly in our camp.

Lastly, give it a year. We have already undercut Chinese influence in Nepal - some political parties were pro-Beijing there. Visit of Nepali PM to China has already been postponed, and he will first visit India.
With over 50% of Nepali population counting themselves as of Indian descent and having relations across the border, the situation there can only end one way. And though it took time, we have shown that unambiguously to the Chinese sponsored politicians.

And after a regime change in Sri Lanka from the last leader - Rajapaksa - who openly favoured China because India had in the past supported LTTE, the new Govt is far more evenly balanced between India and China. He even let Chinese nuclear sub dock at Colombo. You can bet that won't be happening again.

The last 3 years we have turned the tables on Chinese influence peddling in South Asian countries. Where we needed economic strength along with our own influence, we have brought Japan in to fund. So where required Indian political and diplomatic influence is now backed by Japanese (primarily) economic influence.

We are steadily chipping away all Chinese influence in our region. Time is not far when China's political and military influence will be limited to just Pakistan. They will have economic relations with every country ofcourse, but not political influence which Chinese have enjoyed in the past.

This is the result of those actions taken by India and removing Chinese influence across different countries.
China went from not giving a damn about Indian concerns to:

China worried over India's reservations to Silk Road projects | Free Press Journal
India can choose to take part in any Silk Road project: China | Business Standard News

And not just that, we have taken their game to their region. We are executing projects with Vietnam in sea areas claimed by China, supplying military needs to Phillipines and executing a whole lot of activities along with Japan in East Asia.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

But dear, you already ceded your territory to China.

We didnt. Arunachal is still in India's territory. Aksai Chin is in China's control, but India havent given up. Unlike my neighbour

 

[Providence]

Looks like LTTE still carries a lot of pull down there in south asia !

 

[Moon]

We didnt. Arunachal is still in India's territory. Aksai Chin is in China's control, but India havent given up. Unlike my neighbour

Boohoo!.
I'll stick to my post, forcing a country to do whatever you want, will ultimately piss off the local population, and voila, you'll have an entire nation against you, quite frankly, India shouldn't have cared what happens in Sri Lanka, go for trade with Sri Lanka, partnership.
Not taking over Sri Lanka.

 

[tested]

Boohoo!.
I'll stick to my post, forcing a country to do whatever you want, will ultimately piss off the local population, and voila, you'll have an entire nation against you, quite frankly, India shouldn't have cared what happens in Sri Lanka, go for trade with Sri Lanka, partnership.
Not taking over Sri Lanka.

This I completely agree. It was a massive folly to force ourselves on Lanka.

Fortunately, times have changed and GoI is now staffed by more competent and nuanced people.

Now we use behind-the-doors wheeling dealing along with chequebook and coercive diplomacy instead of gunboat diplomacy of yore.

Looks like LTTE still carries a lot of pull down there in south asia !

Nah, its almost completely dead. A couple of old timer politicians in Tamil Nadu(one of the southern states of India) still revere LTTE, but other than that its gone.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Boohoo!.
I'll stick to my post, forcing a country to do whatever you want, will ultimately piss off the local population, and voila, you'll have an entire nation against you, quite frankly, India shouldn't have cared what happens in Sri Lanka, go for trade with Sri Lanka, partnership.
Not taking over Sri Lanka.

And I stick to mine. I do not need to part with a portion of my country to please another country.
If Lanka do things against our interest, we will take counter measures.

 

[tested]

And I stick to mine. I do not need to part with a portion of my country to please another country.
If Lanka do things against our interest, we will take counter measures.

Yes, but there are better means to achieve the same goal.

The point here is that using military force or threat of military force has not yielded us the right results. It was a catastrophe.

Its a lesson that GoI has learned well...and today other measures are used to get the same goal.

 

[Moon]

Incorrect.
Nations that were tilting away from India have started coming back to India.

Examples:
1. Bangladesh - under Zia BD was a mini-Pakistan, acting against India on every issue. Today they are firmly with us.
2. Myanmar - Was completely in China's camp with China supporting the Myanmar junta. With junta softening its position and political parties coming(Syu Ki is almost Indian and called daughter by the last Prez of India), the situation has reversed.

Myanmar is today building economic transnational corridors with India with open access. India has also started supplying military gear to Myanmar, building roads, bridges and ports in Myanmar constructed by our military engineering cell mind you. India also brought US round to rapprochement with Myanmar and has practically undercut Chinese influence at the legs there.

3.Indonesia - a country that once supported Pakistan so much that it sent military naval vessels against India. Today not only do we have extensive economic relations with visa-on-arrival for Indians and vice versa...but massive defense relations, Indian AF trains Indonesian pilots.
4. Malaysia - Never too friendly with us ...same story as with Indonesia.

India has assiduously cultivated relations with every single country in our Eastern sea rim to the point that they are not just economic partners, but friends of India today.

Bhutan is already firmly in our camp.

Lastly, give it a year. We have already undercut Chinese influence in Nepal - some political parties were pro-Beijing there. Visit of Nepali PM to China has already been postponed, and he will first visit India.
With over 50% of Nepali population counting themselves as of Indian descent and having relations across the border, the situation there can only end one way. And though it took time, we have shown that unambiguously to the Chinese sponsored politicians.

And after a regime change in Sri Lanka from the last leader - Rajapaksa - who openly favoured China because India had in the past supported LTTE, the new Govt is far more evenly balanced between India and China. He even let Chinese nuclear sub dock at Colombo. You can bet that won't be happening again.

The last 3 years we have turned the tables on Chinese influence peddling in South Asian countries. Where we needed economic strength along with our own influence, we have brought Japan in to fund. So where required Indian political and diplomatic influence is now backed by Japanese (primarily) economic influence.

We are steadily chipping away all Chinese influence in our region. Time is not far when China's political and military influence will be limited to just Pakistan. They will have economic relations with every country ofcourse, but not political influence which Chinese have enjoyed in the past.

This is the result of those actions taken by India and removing Chinese influence across different countries.
China went from not giving a damn about Indian concerns to:

China worried over India's reservations to Silk Road projects | Free Press Journal
India can choose to take part in any Silk Road project: China | Business Standard News

And not just that, we have taken their game to their region. We are executing projects with Vietnam in sea areas claimed by China, supplying military needs to Phillipines and executing a whole lot of activities along with Japan in East Asia.

The local populations, you've managed to piss off,
Sri Lankans. Nepalese (though I cannot speak for them, it's a general observation) and countless more.
You've decided to completely ignore anti-Indian feelings from various states, to such an extent that we forget that not few months ago, protests were being held in Nepal (remember?).
Indian expedition in Sri Lanka ended badly last time. It's only a matter of time before Sri Lankans retaliate.
And neither of us want to see that, do we?.

 

[tested]

The local populations, you've managed to piss off,
Sri Lankans. Nepalese (though I cannot speak for them, it's a general observation) and countless more.
You've decided to completely ignore anti-Indian feelings from various states, to such an extent that we forget that not few months ago, protests were being held in Nepal (remember?).
Indian expedition in Sri Lanka ended badly last time. It's only a matter of time before Sri Lankans retaliate.
And neither of us want to see that, do we?.

That's just it. That's my point. Today we do things differently. Its one of the reasons why we have managed to reduce or remove Chinese influence from so many countries in our region.

We have not interfered in Sri Lanka like we did before. We did not use the old tactics against Lanka after the things Rajapaksa was doing - signing treaties with China and allowing things that harmed our interests and security.

(In fact, I think Rajapaksa wanted India to react like it did before..so that he could claim victimhood and further act against India and consolidate with China)

And yet - today, he has been removed and the new Govt of SL is extremely sensitive that Sri Lanka through its action or inaction should not harm India.

What do you make of it? The goal was achieved. Today Sri Lanka is a hundred times more balanced compared to 2 years ago when it tilted for China/Pakistan at India's cost.

Same thing in Nepal. Just to let you know the Beijing backed maoists and a couple of parties divided their province in such ways that over 50% of the population's vote got divided and made into nothing.

With over 50% of the population being half Indian, we have ensured that their representation stays according to their population in the new Constitution...so that now or in the future, we can achieve our goals with more ....finesse.

This is what Chinese have said after our moves:
Nepal should not become 'boxing arena' for India, China: Wang

Ultimately, the proof of the pudding lies in eating it. That we have rolled back Chinese influence in Myanmar, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka...and give it a year and you will see Nepal being in the list....should tell you that we are doing something right(and different from before), should it not?

 

[Moon]

That's just it. That's my point. Today we do things differently. Its one of the reasons why we have managed to reduce or remove Chinese influence from so many countries in our region.

We have not interfered in Sri Lanka like we did before. We did not use the old tactics against Lanka after the things Rajapaksa was doing - signing treaties with China and allowing things that harmed our interests and security.

(In fact, I think Rajapaksa wanted India to react like it did before..so that he could claim victimhood and further act against India and consolidate with China)

And yet - today, he has been removed and the new Govt of SL is extremely sensitive that Sri Lanka through its action or inaction should not harm India.

What do you make of it? The goal was achieved. Today Sri Lanka is a hundred times more balanced compared to 2 years ago when it tilted for China/Pakistan at India's cost.

Same thing in Nepal. Just to let you know the Beijing backed maoists and a couple of parties divided their province in such ways that over 50% of the population's vote got divided and made into nothing.

With over 50% of the population being half Indian, we have ensured that their representation stays according to their population in the new Constitution...so that now or in the future, we can achieve our goals with more ....finesse.

This is what Chinese have said after our moves:
Nepal should not become 'boxing arena' for India, China: Wang

Ultimately, the proof of the pudding lies in eating it. That we have rolled back Chinese influence in Myanmar, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka...and give it a year and you will see Nepal being in the list....should tell you that we are doing something right(and different from before), should it not?

The primary reason for backlash is meddling in affairs of other states, it "won't" work, I repeat it "won't".
You can either try militarily or diplomatically, but it will not work out, because you are meddling in affairs of other states.
As I said before, fostering good relationship with other states is safer and fruitful on the long term. Sri Lanka is going no where, then why ruin your reputation and relation with a country?.
And as for Sri Lanka supporting Pakistan, it remained neutral, they equally helped Indians. The very concept is flawed.