Gandhi endorses allegations of war crimes against Sri Lanka

[tested]

The primary reason for backlash is meddling in affairs of other states, it "won't" work, I repeat it "won't".
You can either try militarily or diplomatically, but it will not work out, because you are meddling in affairs of other states.
As I said before, fostering good relationship with other states is safer and fruitful on the long term. Sri Lanka is going no where, then why ruin your reputation and relation with a country?.
And as for Sri Lanka supporting Pakistan, it remained neutral, they equally helped Indians. The very concept is flawed.

Some interventions are necessary, some are not. Even where India has to intervene, it has to be subtly.

In any case, Sri Lanka supporting Pakistan? I assume you talk of 1971? That's just conjecture.

In any case, talking about now, we did not interfere in Sri Lanka. The Sri Lankans themselves chose to remove Rajapaksa. We did not depose him.
The new Govt of SL is on its own willing to have more balanced relations with India and not jeopardize Indian security...which basically puts a spanner in Chinese plans.

I agree, SL is going nowhere, which is why our response to Rajapaksa's actions was very careful and calibrated. In the end we did get what we want...and the Chinese didn't.

 

[Moon]

Some interventions are necessary, some are not. Even where India has to intervene, it has to be subtly.

In any case, Sri Lanka supporting Pakistan? I assume you talk of 1971? That's just conjecture.

In any case, talking about now, we did not interfere in Sri Lanka. The Sri Lankans themselves chose to remove Rajapaksa. We did not depose him.
The new Govt of SL is on its own willing to have more balanced relations with India and not jeopardize Indian security...which basically puts a spanner in Chinese plans.

I agree, SL is going nowhere, which is why our response to Rajapaksa's actions was very careful and calibrated. In the end we did get what we want...and the Chinese didn't.

But remember when India went anti-Sri Lanka? .
From that day, she has managed to break the trust if Sri Lanka, and trust takes time to be built. Like I said before, it's not about the Chinese, remove the Chinese and many will replace them, if you keep playing China centric. It won't work well, Sri Lanka is an independent nation, she has all the right to work out her foreign policy on her own.
Not India, not China, not Pakistan, not USA etc....
Capiche?.

 

[tested]

But remember when India went anti-Sri Lanka? .
From that day, she has managed to break the trust if Sri Lanka, and trust takes time to be built.

Ofcourse. Why do you think that GoI supported Lanka in its final war against LTTE.
Or why since the new Govt has come to power it has been clamping down on any pro-LTTE propaganda among numerous other things.

Like I said before, it's not about the Chinese, remove the Chinese and many will replace them, if you keep playing China centric. It won't work well, Sri Lanka is an independent nation, she has all the right to work out her foreign policy on her own.
Not India, not China, not Pakistan, not USA etc....
Capiche?.

That is not capiche. Sovereign nations also have a responsibility towards maintaining peace and security of its neighbours if they want coordial relations with them. If Lanka's actions are deemed to damage India's security, India will move to damage Lanka's security. This is also applicable vice-versa.

So there is no carte blanche for either Lanka or India to behave or consort with anyone if it hurts the other's security.

And it is this sense that is there now in both India and Sri Lanka. While India has moved firmly to stop actions of some of our state politicians against Sri Lanka or pro-LTTE actions by individuals, Sri Lanka has moved to stop Chinese influence peddling in Sri Lanka and allowing Chinese military free access to SL..the kind of which they had before.

 

[Moon]

Ofcourse. Why do you think that GoI supported Lanka in its final war against LTTE.
Or why since the new Govt has come to power it has been clamping down on any pro-LTTE propaganda among numerous other things.


That is not capiche. Sovereign nations also have a responsibility towards maintaining peace and security of its neighbours if they want coordial relations with them. If Lanka's actions are deemed to damage India's security, India will move to damage Lanka's security. This is also applicable vice-versa.

So there is no carte blanche for either Lanka or India to behave or consort with anyone if it hurts the other's security.

And it is this sense that is there now in both India and Sri Lanka. While India has moved firmly to stop actions of some of our state politicians against Sri Lanka or pro-LTTE actions by individuals, Sri Lanka has moved to stop Chinese influence peddling in Sri Lanka and allowing Chinese military free access to SL..the kind of which they had before.

The bold, and underlined words are what I wanted to hear from you, it's a vice-versa policy, India endangers Sri Lanka, then it must brace for whatever Sri Lanka, and her allies will throw at her. And all actions, will be just.

 

[tested]

The bold, and underlined words are what I wanted to hear from you, it's a vice-versa policy, India endangers Sri Lanka, then it must brace for whatever Sri Lanka, and her allies will throw at her. And all actions, will be just.

Ofcourse.
My point however was quite simple - we have changed our approach and been working a certain way now for the last few years...and the results have been rather good for us.

 

[haviZsultan]

Pakistan Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal should harness a good relationship with each other and try to box India in for its support to all kinds of terrorists in the world.

 

[HeinzG]

How to do that when exactly Tamils were being slaughtered? India never poked its nose until Lanka supported Pakistan logistically during 71 war, which was uncalled for. It was only after this incident, India took "interest" in Lanka.

This is a pathetic excuse the justification of arming the LTTE and other similar organizations. India had no enemity towards Sri Lanka till 1977. It all changed when JRJ came to power in Sri Lanka. Indira personally had a grudge towards JRJ and India was afraid of JRJ's Westernized policy. Therefore the backing of the proxy groups in Sri Lanka was not a retaliation to the 1971.

 

[SrNair]

At the cost of angering thousands of citizens of a foreign country?, if they say no, what will India do, use force? And what will that mean? .
You guessed it.

Let them anger .Why should we care ?
South India is a strategic and advanced part of India .And we cant compromise that part whatever it is .
Our force is our diplomatic ability and we will do that .

This is a pathetic excuse the justification of arming the LTTE and other similar organizations. India had no enemity towards Sri Lanka till 1977. It all changed when JRJ came to power in Sri Lanka. Indira personally had a grudge towards JRJ and India was afraid of JRJ's Westernized policy. Therefore the backing of the proxy groups in Sri Lanka was not a retaliation to the 1971.

Nope .Things began to took wrong turn only aftr you support Pakistan in 1971 war @Rajaraja Chola is right?

Boohoo!.
I'll stick to my post, forcing a country to do whatever you want, will ultimately piss off the local population, and voila, you'll have an entire nation against you, quite frankly, India shouldn't have cared what happens in Sri Lanka, go for trade with Sri Lanka, partnership.
Not taking over Sri Lanka.

We will go at any extent to protect our strategic and national security .
Nepalese also have anger .Do we care about that ?Funny .
China also pushed their power in SCS and entire SCS nations hates them .
Do they care ?
So dont worry about that .

The local populations, you've managed to piss off,
Sri Lankans. Nepalese (though I cannot speak for them, it's a general observation) and countless more.
You've decided to completely ignore anti-Indian feelings from various states, to such an extent that we forget that not few months ago, protests were being held in Nepal (remember?).
Indian expedition in Sri Lanka ended badly last time. It's only a matter of time before Sri Lankans retaliate.
And neither of us want to see that, do we?.

Wrong we wont interfere in others matters until they try to play with our security .
SL former Pres did that and he is not in power not any more .
Retaliate ?

 

[HeinzG]

Nope .Things began to took wrong turn only aftr you support Pakistan in 1971 war @Rajaraja Chola is right

Then why didn't India do anything till 1977?

 

[Moon]

Let them anger .Why should we care ?
South India is a strategic and advanced part of India .And we cant compromise that part whatever it is .
Our force is our diplomatic ability and we will do that .



Nope .Things began to took wrong turn only aftr you support Pakistan in 1971 war @Rajaraja Chola is right?



We will go at any extent to protect our strategic and national security .
Nepalese also have anger .Do we care about that ?Funny .
China also pushed their power in SCS and entire SCS nations hates them .
Do they care ?
So dont worry about that .



Wrong we wont interfere in others matters until they try to play with our security .
SL former Pres did that and he is not in power not any more .
Retaliate ?

Yes, retaliate, mind you, the Sinhalese and Tamilian rivalry is like a two edged sword, it will only be time, before it will be used against India herself.
Likewise, others shouldn't care, when India's affairs are meddled with.

 

[SrNair]

Then why didn't India do anything till 1977?

Indira's couldnt complete her mission .She had been kicked out from PMO.
AFAIK ,with my limited knowledge Indira was not in power in 1977 .It was Janta party under Morarji Desai which almost destroyed our intelligence assets .

Yes, retaliate, mind you, the Sinhalese and Tamilian rivalry is like a two edged sword, it will only be time, before it will be used against India herself.
Likewise, others shouldn't care, when India's affairs are meddled with.

Mam .I know about Tamilians they are our own people and TN is my neighbouring state .I have seen a lots of Tamils . So we know them .
Why did that Bengalis protested for independence from Pakistan ?Because West Pakistan forces tortured and raped them.
Same things happened to the Tamils in SL they faced a lots from Sinhalese .So they created various groups like PLOTE ,LTTE .Except LTTE all others are destroyed either by SL or most time by Indian forces .
Our Govt supported LTTE which we still believes as a wrong policy .

All these are stories of 80s and 70's when India was nothing and was always under the protection of USSR .
But now things are changed ,a lots .Now we know how to secure our strategic security and geopolitical interests .
Look at the Nepal ,after all those crying and whining they cam on our own way .We knows and they also knows that was a wrong policy which they dragged India's name in their petty issue .

 

[Moon]

Indira's couldnt complete her mission .She had been kicked out from PMO.
AFAIK ,with my limited knowledge Indira was not in power in 1977 .It was Janta party under Morarji Desai which almost destroyed our intelligence assets .



Mam .I know about Tamilians they are our own people and TN is my neighbouring state .I have seen a lots of Tamils . So we know them .
Why did that Bengalis protested for independence from Pakistan ?Because West Pakistan forces tortured and raped them.
Same things happened to the Tamils in SL they faced a lots from Sinhalese .So they created various groups like PLOTE ,LTTE .Except LTTE all others are destroyed either by SL or most time by Indian forces .
Our Govt supported LTTE which we still believes as a wrong policy .

All these are stories of 80s and 70's when India was nothing and was always under the protection of USSR .
But now things are changed ,a lots .Now we know how to secure our strategic security and geopolitical interests .
Look at the Nepal ,after all those crying and whining they cam on our own way .We knows and they also knows that was a wrong policy which they dragged India's name in their petty issue .

They were "our very own people" long ago for the Sinhalese too. These are nothing but words that one will ultimately have to eat.
Geo-politics work very quickly, and often disappointingly.

 

[SrNair]

They were "our very own people" long ago for the Sinhalese too. These are nothing but words that one will ultimately have to eat.
Geo-politics work very quickly, and often disappointingly.

Nope .You are wrong .
Sinhalese didnt like Tamils in the SL history .Tamils was introduced in there by Brits for plantation jobs as labourers .Sinhalese couldnt agree with that .But they didnt do anything massively because of Brits.After independence (then it was Ceylon ) Sinhalese began to show their intolerance against Tamils .I have been read about their genocide atttempts during 60s .But India did intereferd in there .But SL themselves provoked us .
So our GoI supported tamil groups (bad policy).And still it remains as a problem.

 

[Moon]

Nope .You are wrong .
Sinhalese didnt like Tamils in the SL history .Tamils was introduced in there by Brits for plantation jobs as labourers .Sinhalese couldnt agree with that .But they didnt do anything massively because of Brits.After independence (then it was Ceylon ) Sinhalese began to show their intolerance against Tamils .I have been read about their genocide atttempts during 60s .But India did intereferd in there .But SL themselves provoked us .
So our GoI supported tamil groups (bad policy).And still it remains as a problem.

Believe me, in sheer jingoism, many Sinhalese said the phrases you just said "they are our own people".
But this topic is for another matter.
Right now, it's Indian meddling in the affairs of Sri Lanka, why not let the Sri Lankan members speak for themselves?.
@Gibbs @HeinzG @samv
Can you shed light on this development?.

 

[SrNair]

Believe me, in sheer jingoism, many Sinhalese said the phrases you just said "they are our own people".
But this topic is for another matter.
Right now, it's Indian meddling in the affairs of Sri Lanka, why not let the Sri Lankan members speak for themselves?.
@Gibbs @HeinzG @samv
Can you shed light on this development?.

Of Course they said and it took 56 years for give them the citizenship .