Future of Pakistan Bangladesh relations

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Their dholki, ruksati and other traditions seems to have gone out the window when they say they claim to be more in line with the Afghans and Iranians. There is a video of a Pakistani feller with the surname Qureshi who took a ancestry dna test and turns out he was

Their dholki, ruksati and other traditions seems to have gone out the window when they say they claim to be more in line with the Afghans and Iranians. There is a video of a Pakistani feller with the surname Qureshi who took a ancestry dna test and turns out he was 98% South Asian (India, Pakistan). He was immediately disheartened and converted to Hinduism.

You can't make this stuff up.

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And you only have to go to a little pocket of BD near NE to see the diversity of people, all whom still claim they are BENGALI.

He is just 1 person and Pakistan is FAR too diverse to take the above seriously. Culturally we may not be Middle Eastern, but Pakistan DOES share a DIRECT border with Afghanistan and Iran. We share NOTHING like that with bangladesh. 40-50% of Pakistanis leave within the region that was once part of the Persian/Turkic empires for many centuries. Get those people to do a dna test and give their results. Even before Islam, the region that is now Pakistan always had strong connections & interactions with the Middle East & Central Asia for many 1000s of years, as we are right next door to them. That influence is still in Pakistan. We don't have such a history with bangladesh.

FYI there is no such thing as a "south Asian" gene as they themselves are too diverse and non-homogenous. Truth be told that as a whole, Pakistan is not really a part of South Asia but more of a melting pot for south Asia, Middle East & Central Asia. It's a complex but enriching cultural identity. A bangladeshi would not understand this as they are not a part of it.

 

[bluesky]

A bangladeshi would not understand this as they are not a part of it.

A Bangladeshi does not have to understand your mixes, but it is true for all the people living on this Earth. People moved out for different reasons, settled in another region and the process of intermixing started. It is same in European countries as well as Turkey, Iran or Afghanistan. We see only what they look like today. But, there is a history behind all these faces. So, Pakistanis, specially the Punjabis, should not think they are the only unique people on the Earth with only mixes from the west.

Whatever it may be be, but do not try to avoid the reality that Harappa and Moenjodaro are located very near to Punjab, and this civilization was known as Dravidian civilization or Indus civilization. So, can you tell us where those people went en mass? Is it not real that these survivors of Aryan invasion had mixed with the new comers, and west Punjabis belong to this mixed group of people?

Think of today's Turkey people. Do they really look like their cousins in the central asia. Certainly not. Please note that only approximately 12% of the present Turkey people had migrated from Iran/central Asia to that land sometime during 1000 AD. At a certain point in history, the locals took Islam and they kept on mixing with the newcomers. This is why Turkey people look more like the Aegean people, rather than their cousins in Turkmenistan, Azarbaizan, Uzhbekistan and others, although they have a tradition of speaking the near same Turkic language. So, name any other country or region. People in all the places have been mixed up.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

A Bangladeshi does not have to understand your mixes, but it is true for all the people living on this Earth. People moved out for different reasons, settled in another region and the process of intermixing started. It is same in European countries as well as Turkey, Iran or Afghanistan. We see only what they look like today. But, there is a history behind all these faces. So, Pakistanis, specially the Punjabis, should not think they are the only unique people on the Earth with only mixes from the west.

Whatever it may be be, but do not try to avoid the reality that Harappa and Moenjodaro are located very near to Punjab, and this civilization was known as Dravidian civilization or Indus civilization. So, can you tell us where those people went en mass? Is it not real that these survivors of Aryan invasion had mixed with the new comers, and west Punjabis belong to this mixed group of people?

Think of today's Turkey people. Do they really look like their cousins in the central asia. Certainly not. Please note that only approximately 12% of the present Turkey people had migrated from Iran/central Asia to that land sometime during 1000 AD. At a certain point in history, the locals took Islam and they kept on mixing with the newcomers. This is why Turkey people look more like the Aegean people, rather than their cousins in Turkmenistan, Azarbaizan, Uzhbekistan and others, although they have a tradition of speaking the near same Turkic language. So, name any other country or region. People in all the places have been mixed up.

Point taken. Good response.

 

[Hamza913]

Well in a India-Pakistan war BD would sit back and watch from distance. We will cheer on both sides to destroy each other. We aren't particularly fond of any of them. I individually would definitely be happy if a war breaks out between the two. Sorry if that makes me a d!ck. Now go on with more Uri attack and surgical strikes.

First of all, surgical strikes never happened. Secondly, it's only alright for wanting that if it's alright for us to never apologise about 1971, because in our eyes there's nothing to apologise about it. We just gunned down some nationalistic munafiq in our eyes.

 

[Saiful Islam]

saying an inferiority stricken bengali piece of shit.. your *** is burning bcoz i am not saying you bengalis are my illegal child under the disguise of fake term called Hindustan? not allowing you to bracket us with your filthy kind under the fake disguise of irrelevent term.



inferiority stricken bengali i have enough knowledge to fvck up attempt of bracketing us with Tamil, telgue, Bhaiyya, Bihari, malyalam, and bengali kind under the disguise of Hindustan. i know how to shut their filthy mouth..



its not Sind any more, use Sindh... so history of Sindh started in inferiority stricken Bengali books from 1936 when british annexed it as province? what about its thousands years of history in which Sindh was most of the time independent or part of different empires (watch video) who was emperor of ur imaginary Hindustan when Sindh was ruled by Talpur, Kalhoroo, Somroo and before them Raja Dahir?

and low IQ ugly stinky bhangi how difficult its for you to understand Hindustan was a geographical term like Asia and Africa and no country called Hindustan ever existed, it was no different term then Asia or africa. Sindh was never part of so called Hindustan which never existed as country, its like vietnam start to claim Pakistani heritage just bcoz they are part of Asia.. while in reality we have as much to do with them as we have with Malyalam, Nepali, bhaiyya, Tamil, bengalis..

How do you have the right to talk when many of your population in Karachi and surrounding areas are Muhajirs originating from different parts of India such as UP, Maharashtra etc etc? You share more in common with Bombaywallas, Delhites, Punjabis..Have you not forgotten that (Bangladesh) is East Bengal and shares a considerable amount of it's culture with the Tibeto Burman tribes further east, which means we have ZILCH to do with mainland India.

 

[Max]

How do you have the right to talk when many of your population in Karachi and surrounding areas are Muhajirs originating from different parts of India such as UP, Maharashtra etc etc? You share more in common with Bombaywallas, Delhites, Punjabis..Have you not forgotten that (Bangladesh) is East Bengal and shares a considerable amount of it's culture with the Tibeto Burman tribes further east, which means we have ZILCH to do with mainland India.

does it need explainations? those Muhajirs are from Dehli, Hyderabad, UP, Bihar and even eastern but none of them make considerable amount of population, all can be 1 to 2 million each..

 

[bluesky]

First of all, surgical strikes never happened. Secondly, it's only alright for wanting that if it's alright for us to never apologise about 1971, because in our eyes there's nothing to apologise about it. ouWe just gunned down some nationalistic munafiq in our eyes.

Your opinion is just one sided. You have to be neutral to understand what really the non-Bangali PA troops did to our troops in the Police, Ansars, East Pakistan Rifles and East Bengal Regiment. Do not forget about the indiscriminate killing of passersby and innocent bystanders.

I have a feeling that PA non-Bangali troops started to get panicked after the heroism shown by the small bodied EBR troops in the 1965 war that saved Lahore from being captured by the IA troops. So, 1971 was the setting for the so-called tall-bodied martial people of Punjab to get rid of the dark skinned and short Bangali Muslims once and for all who had shown more bravery in the 1965 war.

For a BD-Pakistan good relationship, there is but one choice, that is an unconditional apologize for the wanton killing of BD people. Do you remember that the brave PA troops of 93,000 troops chose an unconditional surrender to the Hindu India. They should have dared to fight against our Muktis and died like heroes. We do not respect the cowardice of those PA troops. Note also that brave people do not torment innocent guys. but, PA troops did exactly that.

 

[Hamza913]

Your opinion is just one sided. You have to be neutral to understand what really the non-Bangali PA troops did to our troops in the Police, Ansars, East Pakistan Rifles and East Bengal Regiment. Do not forget about the indiscriminate killing of passersby and innocent bystanders.

I have a feeling that PA non-Bangali troops started to get panicked after the heroism shown by the small bodied EBR troops in the 1965 war that saved Lahore from being captured by the IA troops. So, 1971 was the setting for the so-called tall-bodied martial people of Punjab to get rid of the dark skinned and short Bangali Muslims once and for all who had shown more bravery in the 1965 war.

For a BD-Pakistan good relationship, there is but one choice, that is an unconditional apologize for the wanton killing of BD people. Do you remember that the brave PA troops of 93,000 troops chose an unconditional surrender to the Hindu India. They should have dared to fight against our Muktis and died like heroes. We do not respect the cowardice of those PA troops. Note also that brave people do not torment innocent guys. but, PA troops did exactly that.

Before the Pakistani army launched operation searchlight and started the genoicde, the Bengali nationalists were killing West Pakistanis, don't play victim just because you couldn't do genocide as good as we could, we both killed innocent people and since neither of us will apologise, it's time you guys move on and stop obsessing over it.

Our boys surrendered because they were outnumbered 13:1, and couldn't get resupplied as they were outnumbered, no hope of winning. Surrendering was only logical.

We have had some of the greatest soldiers in history, our pilots hold world records, we have nuclear triad, what has the brave Bangladeshi army done? Nothing, that's what. You have even bought some of our military hardware. So don't call our troops cowardice.

 

[Mage]

First of all, surgical strikes never happened.

India needs to do much better than that. Pakistan and India should fight each other(without nukes) to death. India should launch full scale assault on Pakistan and Pakistan should respond in similar manner.

Secondly, it's only alright for wanting that if it's alright for us to never apologise about 1971, because in our eyes there's nothing to apologise about it. We just gunned down some nationalistic munafiq in our eyes.

Oh...we don't expect you guys to apologize. Musharraf expressed his regrets on that matter. And I think some Pakistani journalist group once apologized for 1971. We don't expect anything more. You guys did what you guys did. Nothing can change what has already happened. No amount of apology will bring back the people we lost. I just hope that you guys have learned from the mistakes your govts made from 1947 to till date, for your own good.

 

[Banglar Bir]

Dear brothers,just because of a number of repeated derogatory/insulting posts/ comments made in various threads by the so called Secular/Atheists/Hindus,RAW assets,along with so called progressive elements of Awami League, who all are highly valued and entertained by this prestigious PDF members, kindly do not create hatred amongst Muslims,instead, create unity and be rock solid to repulse/counter their nefarious agendas.
It would be a sheer mistake on the part of our Pakistani brothers to reach a conclusive judgement regarding Bangladeshis in totality, an entire State with a population of 90% predominantly soft minded religious minded Muslims.

Kindly note that "Joy Bangla" is the political slogan used by Awami League's cronies only. This should NOT be confused as the ethos/values of the entire population, the same slogan was used while murdering the 57 brilliant patriotic Army Officers along with other horrific crimes committed against their family members,in Peelkhana BDR incident.
PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. HIGH TIME TO BURY OUR DIFFERENCES AND MARCH TOWARDS PROSPERITY AND PROGRESS, UNITEDLY.

Geo Strategically both the Sovereign States desperately needs one another, to be independent,united and strong both in self sustaining Economic terms and in Military strength,the answer for which is obviously known to all.Moreover, kindly note that, majority of the Freedom Fighters of 1971 were not Indian/RAW assets,rather a home grown force, totally opposed against any form of Indian dominance. There is a saying that history is always written by the victors in their favour, distorting the actual facts,that's exactly what happened post 1971.

 

[Hamza913]

India needs to do much better than that. Pakistan and India should fight each other(without nukes) to death. India should launch full scale assault on Pakistan and Pakistan should respond in similar manner.

Oh...we don't expect you guys to apologize. Musharraf expressed his regrets on that matter. And I think some Pakistani journalist group once apologized for 1971. We don't expect anything more. You guys did what you guys did. Nothing can change what has already happened. No amount of apology will bring back the people we lost. I just hope that you guys have learned from the mistakes your govts made from 1947 to till date, for your own good.

Well, that's not going to happen. We have nukes, and we're not as thick as you are to start a suicidal campaign that will end us both.

Wow, one journalist apologised and Musharaf expressed regret, lol it's sad you count that as an official state apology.

Don't play the victim card, Bengalis started the genocide, but the Pakistanis finished it. We just managed to do a better job, if the roles were reversed you'd exterminate every non Bengali in the area and put them in camps, as shown with your oppression of the Biharis.

We have learnt from 1971 two things, never trust the Hindustanis because they will start another war shortly after the last one, and never EVER give leeway to any ethnic groups who want more power or independence. I'd say we've fully learnt from these two things by building nuclear weapons and crushing down any rebellions before they even start, unlike in 1971 where we waited for the Bengalis to escalate things.

Dear brothers,just because of a number of repeated derogatory/insulting posts/ comments made in various threads by the so called Secular/Atheists/Hindus,RAW assets,along with so called progressive elements of Awami League, who all are highly valued and entertained by this prestigious PDF members, kindly do not create hatred amongst Muslims,instead, create unity and be rock solid to repulse/counter their nefarious agendas.
It would be a sheer mistake on the part of our Pakistani brothers to reach a conclusive judgement regarding Bangladeshis in totality, an entire State with a population of 90% predominantly soft minded religious minded Muslims.

Kindly note that "Joy Bangla" is the political slogan used by Awami League's cronies only. This should NOT be confused as the ethos/values of the entire population, the same slogan was used while murdering the 57 brilliant patriotic Army Officers along with other horrific crimes committed against their family members,in Peelkhana BDR incident.
PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. HIGH TIME TO BURY OUR DIFFERENCES AND MARCH TOWARDS PROSPERITY AND PROGRESS, UNITEDLY.

Geo Strategically both the Sovereign States desperately needs one another, to be independent,united and strong both in self sustaining Economic terms and in Military strength,the answer for which is obviously known to all.Moreover, kindly note that, majority of the Freedom Fighters of 1971 were not Indian/RAW assets,rather a home grown force, totally opposed against any form of Indian dominance. There is a saying that history is always written by the victors in their favour, distorting the actual facts,that's exactly what happened post 1971.

We can be friends, but only if Bangladesh doesn't ask us to apologise and moves on from 1971, and doesn't keep playing the victim card (Bengalis started the genocide after all).

This isn't a conflict between Muslim countries, Bangladesh is founded on the basis of ethnic nationalism and separated from its fellow Muslims. Bangladesh doesn't count as a Muslim country. It's people may count as Muslims, but it's country by definition doesn't.

 

[PakistaniJunior]

Hmm, all this talk against Punjabis >~<
I'll let you know that if i have a chance to meet a Bengali person, I would definitely befriend them. I would sure as hell not think of them as 'Inferior' because of their colors or features, Heck, Who am i to judge other people? No one gave me the right, as the right of judgement is with Allah.
I realize that there are idiots who are 'racists' and trust me, we don't like these idiots either. Majority of Pakistanis aren't racist.We love to mingle with our many groups of diverse people , and i think this increases our unity. ( I am giving my opinion as one of the youth of this country :p )

As for the country, I think it is in Bangladesh's best interests to have positive relations with India, as the country is completely surrounded by the latter. Bangladesh's future is intertwined with India , And even if we become allies , we won't be able to fully defend Bangla as it is thousands of kilometers away from us (the reason why we lost in 1971).
I think at best you could do is to remain neutral.
The thing we COULD do is to lessen the hate by doing small cultural exchanges. Friendship at people to people level is possible, but not on the government level.

if anyone has the time to reply, i was wondering how many Bangladeshis hate us? ( I'm just trying to learn stuff ^_^)

 

[Mage]

Well, that's not going to happen. We have nukes, and we're not as thick as you are to start a suicidal campaign that will end us both

Sadly....that's true.

Wow, one journalist apologised and Musharaf expressed regret, lol it's sad you count that as an official state apology.

Well Musharraf was president of Pakistan at that time. However it still doesn't count as an official state apology but we don't expect to get anything more.


I don't wish to debate your nonsense about genocide so I'll just skip that part.

We have learnt from 1971 two things, never trust the Hindustanis because they will start another war shortly after the last one, and never EVER give leeway to any ethnic groups who want more power or independence. I'd say we've fully learnt from these two things by building nuclear weapons and crushing down any rebellions before they even start, unlike in 1971 where we waited for the Bengalis to escalate things.

Good for you

This isn't a conflict between Muslim countries, Bangladesh is founded on the basis of ethnic nationalism and separated from its fellow Muslims. Bangladesh doesn't count as a Muslim country. It's people may count as Muslims, but it's country by definition doesn't.

Countries don't have religion. Countries can't worship neither they can pray. People have religion and people can pray. So a religion is something that can be attributed to a person not a country.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

a reconciliation between Bangladesh and Pakistan goes against the geopolitical objectives of the superpower (though declining) United States.... such a reconciliation would imbalance India, because they would then need to balance Pakistan and China and Bangladesh at the same time.... to keep the globe in their control, the US wants South Asia balanced, not imbalanced....

so, every time there are talks of reconciliation there would be some quarters on both sides barking hard to keep the US and India happy....

 

[Avicenna]

Hmm, all this talk against Punjabis >~<
I'll let you know that if i have a chance to meet a Bengali person, I would definitely befriend them. I would sure as hell not think of them as 'Inferior' because of their colors or features, Heck, Who am i to judge other people? No one gave me the right, as the right of judgement is with Allah.
I realize that there are idiots who are 'racists' and trust me, we don't like these idiots either. Majority of Pakistanis aren't racist.We love to mingle with our many groups of diverse people , and i think this increases our unity. ( I am giving my opinion as one of the youth of this country :p )

As for the country, I think it is in Bangladesh's best interests to have positive relations with India, as the country is completely surrounded by the latter. Bangladesh's future is intertwined with India , And even if we become allies , we won't be able to fully defend Bangla as it is thousands of kilometers away from us (the reason why we lost in 1971).
I think at best you could do is to remain neutral.
The thing we COULD do is to lessen the hate by doing small cultural exchanges. Friendship at people to people level is possible, but not on the government level.

if anyone has the time to reply, i was wondering how many Bangladeshis hate us? ( I'm just trying to learn stuff ^_^)

Apart from the current government which has personal historic reasons for their Pakistan specific antagonism, I doubt the average Bengali harbors any ill will towards Pakistan.

a reconciliation between Bangladesh and Pakistan goes against the geopolitical objectives of the superpower (though declining) United States.... such a reconciliation would imbalance India, because they would then need to balance Pakistan and China and Bangladesh at the same time.... to keep the globe in their control, the US wants South Asia balanced, not imbalanced....

so, every time there are talks of reconciliation there would be some quarters on both sides barking hard to keep the US and India happy....

Although I am never one to overestimate the role of Bangladesh in the global hierarchy, I think there is some sembeleance of truth to this post.