Future of Pakistan Bangladesh relations

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Not really.
Fighters and tanks will be out of the reach for Pakistan as you do not have the industrial base
to make all the components by yourself. A 3rd world country simply cannot produce the complex
systems needed for major cutting edge systems.
Missiles are doable though.

By that some token and logic above, Pakistan should not be a nuclear weapons state or possess SLCM capability. Yet we do. NO OTHER Muslim nation has achieved this feat even though some are many more times richer than us. Not even come close. There is a REASON for this. A lot of what Pakistan has is HIGHLY top secret but all major world powers acknowledge that we are way more advanced than what Pakistan publicly admits too. It is the SAME reason why Pakistan managed to become a nuclear weapons state when the indians claimed it was impossible for us to do so with or without Chinese assistance. The same reason why india was too powerless & weak to attack Pakistan even after Mumbai 2008 and Uri 2016 despite being more than 7x bigger than us and having abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. Think that speaks volumes about Pakistan's military and high tech capabilities......

 

[UKBengali]

The only major "component" we don't produce for tanks or jets is the power plant.

Which we might .. if reports about the Ukrainian deal come true.

Between AKII is coming...

Aswell as a new MLRS

And so is JF Block III.

Among other things..

While by the end of 2018.. our seeemce exports shall rise to over 1 billion..

So yes we are on the right track.

Will Pakistan produce the AESA radar for JF-17 block 3 or is that a Chinese one?
Can Pakistan develop carbon composite technology to go on to make a 5th gen fighter as
JF-17 will be obsolete by 2030?

Like I say it is impossible for a 3rd world country to produce ALL components for major systems like
fighter planes and tanks. Even India that has far more resources than Pakistan cannot do it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What advanced weapons system can Pakistan produce all by itself?

Let's see;
Jets (JVs) JF-17 & K8
Radars (we have exported them to Jordan)
Tanks (Al Khalid & Al Zarrar upgrade)
APCs (Hamza,Talha,Muaz)
Multi Launch ATGM (4 missiles.. remote controlled)
Hamza MCVs (Multipurpose Combat Vehicle)
KRL MLRS

A new Advanced MLRS under development

Anza series MANPADs
Armoured Logistics Vehicle - Qaswa
Agro ATV
Tracked armoured log vehicles
Multiple UAV & UCAVs
SM trainer, COIN variant for Nigeria under testing
Zarb Coastal Defence Batteries
PESA &AESA Ground surveillance radars
Unmanned UGV
EOD Robots
Fire locating radar (small arms)
Imagery sights
Naval Combat management system and ASCM
SLCM
ALCM
Of various roles
POF Eye

And a lot of other weapons.

Will Pakistan produce the AESA radar for JF-17 block 3 or is that a Chinese one?

Yes we will.. in future ;

http://quwa.org/2017/03/14/pakistan-aims-domestically-produce-aesa-radars/

http://pakchinanews.pk/pakistan-aims-domestically-produce-aesa-radars/

There is a reason why PAF is setting up an Aviation City.. complete with Aeronautical Universities and other complexes and institutes.

Can Pakistan develop carbon composite technology to go on to make a 5th gen fighter as

We do produce carbon composites.. we have a factory up and running at POF.

Like I say it is impossible for a 3rd world country to produce ALL components for major systems like
fighter planes and tanks. Even India that has far more resources than Pakistan cannot do it.

It's not just recourses but also how they are utilised and managed.

Pakistan has done better, when it come s to indigenous solutions.. we keep our heads low and work it.. instead of boasting about the smallest things .. like chilli grenades and whatnot.

 

[UKBengali]

@DESERT FIGHTER
@PAKISTANFOREVER

Best of luck to Pakistan in military self-sufficiency.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@UKBengali some other weapons just came to mine:

Terminator anti mine system
Anti mine system (tracked system)
AVLB
Armoured bridge layers
Auto Mine dispensation system (like the US Vulcan)
Light armoured vehicles
New armoured infantry fighting vehicle (under development)
Tank and fighter simulators
EMP system can be used by armoured vehicles
Stand off missiles (H series)
Hijara Cluster bomb (guided)
Bomb guidance kits
PGMs like Takbir etc
HAFR Series Anti Runway missiles
small arms,AGLs
Sniper rifles (LSR,Azb DMR, and another bolt action)
Heavy machine gun (PK-16)
Commando mortar system
Battle Management Systems
Digital Systems for armoured vehicles (for drivers)
EW pod etc
And more .. will keep updating.

 

[UKBengali]

@UKBengali some other weapons just came to mine:

Terminator anti mine system
Anti mine system (tracked system)
AVLB
Armoured bridge layers
Auto Mine dispensation system (like the US Vulcan)
Light armoured vehicles
New armoured infantry fighting vehicle (under development)
Tank and fighter simulators
EMP system can be used by armoured vehicles
small arms,AGLs
Sniper rifles (LSR,Azb DMR, and another bolt action)
Heavy machine gun (PK-16)
Commando mortar system

And more .. will keep updating.

Any plans for Pakistan to co-operate with Iran like there is between Pakistan and Turkey?
If these three countries co-operate then Muslim countries will be able to produce all armaments

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Any plans for Pakistan to co-operate with Iran like there is between Pakistan and Turkey?
If these three countries co-operate then Muslim countries will be able to produce all armaments

None.

Pak and Turkey however are working on the following

Anka UAV (uses systems,parts produced by PAC)
New mini submarine for Special Forces (to be produced in Pak)
Fleet Tankers (produced/manufactured in Pak)
ADA class corvettes (will carry Pak systems and weapons.. cutting cost by 50 million ok each ship.. Saving 200 million)-- also to be produced in Pak.

Assembling with manufacturing parts of T-129


And maybe TFX in future.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Any plans for Pakistan to co-operate with Iran like there is between Pakistan and Turkey?
If these three countries co-operate then Muslim countries will be able to produce all armaments

Not as such due to tensions between Iran and the Arab nations. This affects certain projects we can conduct with Iran ATM. Slightly suspicious of Pakistan's relationship with Arab nations. This is however receding and there will be opportunities in the future for joint Pakistani-Iranianisn military ventures, collaborations and projects.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

No...it's some Pakistani who talks big but can't deliver a rats @ss whether it is about nuking Bangladesh or shooting down American drone.

They still do it....and will you guys only keep talking big? Declare BD as a hostile nation, nuke BD, liberate Kashmir, disintegrate India, Become supa pawa by 2050 and the list goes on.



Dude Pakistan was like 100 bucks ahead of India somewhere around 1995 when India had nominal GDP per capita of near 400USD. Pakistan were like 25% ahead of India. By 2006 India had overtaken Pakistan by 100 USD. Both Pak and India's nominal per capita was almost double of BD in 2006 which is not that long ago.


Jamaat hardly has any influence in BD. When Jamaat was BNP in govt they blamed India for everything. Like JMB serial bombings. That being said ISI's influence in BD is minimal as Jamaat has become non-existent

So the aid to Hassina was portraing an illusion. Spewing fibs and lies to the BD population to please Indian media and Modi that Pak has significant influence over Jammat which contributed to the 2016 attack. He has stated there are links between ISI and Jammat how the hell are they even connected to the Dakka cafe attack? As you've admitted Pak has no real foothold to launch such attack on BD soil. The aid to the Hassina gov is a born liar. Will you still defend his actions by making lame excuses for his allegations? Such accusations could escalate to an end of diplomatic ties and even create war hysteria.

What advanced weapons system can Pakistan produce all by itself?

It's already produced the JF17 aircraft in collaboration with the Chinese, it's own drone Al Khalid Tank and own missile systems. What indigenous weapons does Bangladesh produce?

 

[bluesky]

Yes, we are racially and genetically different people. Please don't consider my post as hate post. Its a fact that Bangladeshi nationalism is based on everything anti-Pakistan. If somebody wants to show off how patriotic Bangladeshi he is he should say give some anti-Pakistani statements in public. We are genetically closer to Bengalis of India (West Bengal), Assam, Bihar and Oddisha and to some extent with South Indians. I feel no shame to say our ancestors were all Hindus and Buddhists. Then Muslims came to Bengal and changed the demography but they couldn't change our culture and language. In reality we are religiously Muslims but culturally Hindus. This may hurt some Bangladeshis who may suffer the identity crisis but fact is we are culturally way more Hindu centric than Pakistanis. Its not possible to have any relation with Pakistan because our history, our culture, our ideology are such that these will always prevent us to have bilateral relation.

Bravo, you are talking in line with Indian hypocrites. Read and learn from history. How long you will be parroting Indian way of thinking? Do you think you can outsmart us by using a false flag?

 

[Riyad]

your relations with india are not good either.
i feel bilateral relations have nothing to do with culture and history .These are based mostly on security /defence and economic interests.
Being a Pakistani despite the hate most of the Bangladeshis fed and express against Pakistan whether fair or unfair that is another debate, we Pakistanis hardly carry any such widspread hate against BD.So in the real world if Hassina and Co ponder upon realities and do away with Pakistan phobia then Pak-BD bilateral relations can begin and prosper strengthening your defence mechanism.

Bilateral relations have something to do with history. Our relation with you will never ever improve because of our brutal past. We don't even share border. Bangladeshis have absolutely zero interest to do any trade or cultural exchange with Pakistan. We do have one Pakistani embassy in Dhaka but that zone is tightly secured when any news of Pakistani agencies such as ISI harboring Jihadi militants in BD breaks out. Our people have no interest to even visit Pakistan as tourists. Bangladeshis go to India and Nepal mostly for tourism but never ever you will hear Bangladeshis coming to Pakistan for tourism.

Good relation with India is absolutely mandatory for us. Our country basically sandwiched by Indian territory. So we simply can't have bad relation with them for our own sake. Culturally we are naturally India centric. You may have Iranian, Afghani influence but ours is completely influenced by India.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Bilateral relations have something to do with history. Our relation with you will never ever improve because of our brutal past. We don't even share border. Bangladeshis have absolutely zero interest to do any trade or cultural exchange with Pakistan. We do have one Pakistani embassy in Dhaka but that zone is tightly secured when any news of Pakistani agencies such as ISI harboring Jihadi militants in BD breaks out. Our people have no interest to even visit Pakistan as tourists. Bangladeshis go to India and Nepal mostly for tourism but never ever you will hear Bangladeshis coming to Pakistan for tourism.

Good relation with India is absolutely mandatory for us. Our country basically sandwiched by Indian territory. So we simply can't have bad relation with them for our own sake. Culturally we are naturally India centric. You may have Iranian, Afghani influence but ours is completely influenced by India.

Conflicting views by the Bangladeshis sone say Pak has zero influence of sections of BD, so how is ISI able to operate in your country? You should focus more on the shoot to kill policy India has in place murdering BD farmers who cross over.

Bilateral relations have something to do with history. Our relation with you will never ever improve because of our brutal past. We don't even share border. Bangladeshis have absolutely zero interest to do any trade or cultural exchange with Pakistan. We do have one Pakistani embassy in Dhaka but that zone is tightly secured when any news of Pakistani agencies such as ISI harboring Jihadi militants in BD breaks out. Our people have no interest to even visit Pakistan as tourists. Bangladeshis go to India and Nepal mostly for tourism but never ever you will hear Bangladeshis coming to Pakistan for tourism.

Good relation with India is absolutely mandatory for us. Our country basically sandwiched by Indian territory. So we simply can't have bad relation with them for our own sake. Culturally we are naturally India centric. You may have Iranian, Afghani influence but ours is completely influenced by India.

The murders of Bloggers 2016 Dhakka cafe attack are down to BD policy nothing to do with a country you share no border with. BD is responsible for its own not Pakistan.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Lastly, media can play the most important thing to make stronger bond. Buy our most circulated media as India did.

India wont let that happen.plus things worsened in decades do not change and get rectified overnight yet being brothers and sisters in faith I have a hope in my heart that one day things shall change in reverse to the present situation.

 

[idune]

Bilateral relations have something to do with history. Our relation with you will never ever improve because of our brutal past. We don't even share border. Bangladeshis have absolutely zero interest to do any trade or cultural exchange with Pakistan.

That is decided by whom, few hindus like you in Bangladesh???? Sheikh Mujib whom awami league consider "father" think completely opposite. He established relation with Pakistan.

 

[Bilal9]

What indigenous weapons does Bangladesh produce?

Your question is akin to "Choli ka pichhey kya hai"?

All I can say is "Bohut hai aur top-secret bhi hai".

We can't discuss....