From Arabization to Turkfication Ertugrul and Pakistani Nationalism

[El Sidd]

Yea but unlike you, you can’t be proud of your Hindu ancestors because your country is built on Islam while we don’t have problem with our Sumerian,akkadian,Babylonian,assyrian, and Elamite ancestors

Last one to claim to be avatar of Nebuchednasser was hanged by your own court.

As i said..Try being a country first than think of civilisations

 

[Psychic]

Here comes the low-IQ curmudgeon who is perpetually mad that his secular narrative has been laughed and mocked by Pakistanis on this forum, and all the evidence of history is against his retarded, reductionist notions that he gets from Wikipedia.

I remember people used to take you seriously, and now----you barely get interacted with on this forum since most just roll their eyes on your continuous squealing like a puppy

Let's give you few lessons in history, shall we you man-child?

Here, an Egyptian copt----who was very anti-Islam----writing about Arab-rule in Egypt and the justice it carried (which was quite unprecedented in medieval times, mind you).

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Here, a report of Jizyah being returned by Muslims when Muslim were not able to protect non-Muslims against Romans (as per the contract). Showing Jizyah was based on contractual terms, and not exploitative taxation of a conquered people

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Historian writing about the myth of "rape, pillage, forced conversion" blah blah. Arab Conquests didn't do any of those things...
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Btw, Egypt was conquered in the 6th century by Amr Ibn Al Aas (companion of the Prophet PBUH), but it wasn't a majority Muslim country until the 10th-11th century. Showing that the 'Arabization' linked with Islam was a gradual, mostly consensual social process that took place over centuries, and not "forced" by sword and rape like it happened in Latin America

No modern historian or scholar believes in the rapes and forced conversion myths, only orientalists did.

That racist bigot Indus Pakistan who was given Think Tank title here actually peddles the narrative of orientalists and early European historians. Their narrative has been debunked by European historians themselves. This just shows his caliber and exposes his racism towards Arabs.

Look in deep, Hindu culture welcome the Sufism and rest all invaders who really disrupt the propagation of Islam in Sub-continent . All credit goes to Sufism, who migrated to this region with the message of Islam.

What an over-simplification of history.

Muslim invaders weren't all looters and plunderers. At most this can only be said of certain Afghan invaders. Most of the Muslim invaders made this region their own homeland and contributed towards its prosperity and culture. The Delhi Sultanate saved modern Pakistan and India from the Mongol horde. The Mughul Empire at its zenith accounted for a quarter of the global GDP. The Sub-continent under them was known as the golden sparrow of the world. The richest region on the face of the planet.

Yet some of us have been duped into believing that all of them were looters and plunderers just because the historians of Sahab Bahadur said so; dear, they had an agenda, no modern historian agrees with that today.

Hindu culture welcome the Sufism and rest all invaders who really disrupt the propagation of Islam in Sub-continent

Again an over simplification of history. Muslim rulers of this place had serving Hindu Generals in their armies.

At the same time, however, I suggest you look into what the peace-loving and sufi loving Hindus of Marhatta did to this region during Mughul decline.

 

[El Sidd]

The Mughul Empire

Sultanat i Khandaan i Babur or Mughal Empire still hold the distinction of providing the most liberal form of government in the entire region.

The egalitarian society they promoted still is the last stand of the Indian Union.

 

[Salmanov]

Last one to claim to be avatar of Nebuchednasser was hanged by your own court.

As i said..Try being a country first than think of civilisations

That person was an idiot

 

[El Sidd]

That person was an idiot

It is good that you hanged the only idiot in Iraq.

It's all been bikini car washes ever since in Fallujah.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The point is we don’t have problem with our pre Islamic history unlike you it’s haram since your country was founded on the religion nonsense because you can’t make a religion into nationality or the so called Islamic culture or Islamic identity or Islamic country

The first Islamic empire under Prophet Muhammad saws did just that.

When you die and go up to the Judgement, Allah swt won't ask you if you are Babylonian , Hittite, or Assyrian, he will ask you if you are Muslim or not.

The blackest African and palest Nordic will be equal on that day. Race will be meaningless then.

 

[Nein]

The point is we don’t have problem with our pre Islamic history unlike you it’s haram since your country was founded on the religion nonsense because you can’t make a religion into nationality or the so called Islamic culture or Islamic identity or Islamic country

I dont think Pakistanis are ashamed of their buddhist past. But Pakistanis dont like any association with Hindus.

I understand them to be honest If I had hindu ancestors I would be ashamed of it.

Pakistanis themselves feel no association with Hindus or Hinduism. Given the context they are right. Hinduism is the worst religion in the world and their followers are the worst they smell and are dirty.

They worship cows, they drink cow piss also have cow shit festivals.

To Pakistanis, Hindus are basically uncivilised. Lets not forget how Hindus burn their widows.

 

[gangsta_rap]

You got to be kidding me. Babylonians [modern day Iraqi's] were raped into becoming Arabs. so much now they actually think they have Arab forefathers.

you are stupid and even worse yet you are a stupid liar.
don't try making up 'facts' from a rear end if you have no clue what you are talking about

 

[anatolia]

one thing i cannot understand why esra bilgic is famous among Pakistani people? she is not even a good actress and never became famous in Turkey..https://www.instagram.com/esbilgic/?hl=en

 

[AUz]

one thing i cannot understand why esra bilgic is famous among Pakistani people? she is not even a good actress and never became famous in Turkey..https://www.instagram.com/esbilgic/?hl=en

Because of her role in Ertugrul (the most famous Turkish show in Pakistan). If some other actress did the role of Halima in the show----she would have become famous. Simple.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

don't try making up 'facts' from a rear end if you have no clue what you are talking about

Are you a Arab or are Pakistani trying to claim a Arab as your dad? And how about giving a link to your source?

 

[anatolia]

Because of her role in Ertugrul (the most famous Turkish show in Pakistan). If some other actress did the role of Halima in the show----she would have become famous. Simple.

but show was famous in Turkey as well but she never been famous.just a regular actress

 

[AUz]

I dont think Pakistanis are ashamed of their buddhist past. But Pakistanis dont like any association with Hindus.

I understand them to be honest If I had hindu ancestors I would be ashamed of it.

Pakistanis themselves feel no association with Hindus or Hinduism. Given the context they are right. Hinduism is the worst religion in the world and their followers are the worst they smell and are dirty.

They worship cows, they drink cow piss also have cow shit festivals.

To Pakistanis, Hindus are basically uncivilised. Lets not forget how Hindus burn their widows.

We aren't 'ashamed' or whatever----we just don't care about who our ancestors were in the past in terms whether Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh etc.

For us, the only relevant part of our spiritual/religious history is that we became Muslims Alhamdulillah. Everything else is irrelevant. In my travels to some parts of Muslim world (incl. Turkey)---I have found similar attitude among all sorts of Muslims. We don't give a shit about our non-Muslim past in terms of religious identity.

On internet, people tend to be hyper-nationalist or whatever lmao. IRL, things are different. I'm sure just like Pakistanis, most Turks don't really care about 'Tengrisim' or whatever either

but show was famous in Turkey as well but she never been famous.just a regular actress

Yeah, but Pakistanis haven't seen other Turkish actresses or shows as much as Ertugrul...so she's the one whos famous right now.

Ps, I find Esra far more prettier than some blonde Turkish actresses I've seen lol.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Are you a Arab or are Pakistani trying to claim a Arab as your dad? And how about giving a link to your source?

i am not arab i am ethnically indian and i have no qualms about it
but i will expose your hateful rhetoric wherever i see it

first source was:
Concise Encyclopedia Of World History By Carlos Ramirez-Faria

and here is another just to double down on my points

The Arabs in Antiquity: Their History from the Assyrians to the Umayyads By Jan Retso

 

[El Sidd]

but show was famous in Turkey as well but she never been famous.just a regular actress

Its not a national show in Pakistan either.

It appeals to a certain strata of the society just like Pokemon or Throne of Games.