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'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief

Former chief of the army staff Gen Ved Prakash Malik, who led the Indian Army in the 1999 Kargil conflict, on Tuesday said the satellite pictures of Tololing area supplied to the army during the Kargil conflict by a "friendly country" were three-four years old while the moving pictures provided by another nation eventually faded as the battery of the satellite was "about to get over".

During a discussion on his latest book, India's Military Conflicts and Diplomacy: An Inside view of Decision Making, Malik said, "We had no satellite pictures of the battlefield area during the Kargil conflict. A friendly country provided us the pictures at Rs 35,000- Rs 36,000 per frame. We got the pictures of Tololing area but realised they were three-four year old. Another country agreed to provide us moving satellite pictures of the battlefield.. after few days, the pictures faded and we were told that the battery of the satellite was about to die. The three chiefs of the Armed Forces made all the noises and even met ISRO chief Kasturirangan apprsing him of the need for our own images. He promised that in three years we will have the satellite and he delivered."

During the 90-minute discussion, Malik emphasised on the need to record decision-making process to learn from mistakes while documenting military history of the nation. He criticised the policy-making process in the country and described it as "fractured and segmented".

Narrating the role of military as an extension of the political and diplomatic mandate, Malik said, "On June 3, 1999 air chief and I sought cabinet approval to go a few miles on the other side of Line of Control (LoC), but the request was put down." While that was the mandate during the conflict, he highlighted military lacks "peacetime aim".

"We are still following very antiquated system which is not allowing flawless decision-making process…our policies are fractured, segmented," he said.

Talking about lessons learnt from the Kargil conflict, Malik said, "There are no friends during a conflict as everybody wants to make money. We are importing 70 per cent defence equipment. How can we be a regional power? After so many years, we are yet to get our industry moving as there are mindset problems in our defence ministry…problem is import of technology. We require foreign collaboration. We are stuck at 26 per cent FDI. Our private sector has the money and capability."

Economist Vijay Kelkar also attended the event with Malik. Amongst others present were Air Marshal (retd) Bhushan Gokhale, S K Jain and Anant Sardeshmukh of MCCIA. The event was attended by senior retired officers of the Armed forces along with researchers and enthusiasts.

Link - 'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief - Indian Express
 
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The Kargil War was an opportunity in disguise,it helped us to learn a lot,and allowed us to apply what we have learned.

Unknown to most,even the Indian Navy played a great role during the conflict!

Would be nice to have an insight on what Kargil taught us that couldn't have been learned from '48, '62, '65 or '71?
 
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Would be nice to have an insight on what Kargil taught us that couldn't have been learned from '48, '62, '65 or '71?

Just my opinions:

1.Kargil once again taught us how important the coordination b/w IA,IAF and IN is.We were late to apply it,but once we applied them,we kicked a$$. (lacked it in '62)
2.Importance and our lack of intelligence,our failure to foresee the intrusion.
3.Importance and correct use of latest techs (Bofors guns,LGBs,Fire Finding Radars).
4.Importance of media.(Kargil war was our Gulf war interms of media cover).
5.Importance of lighter guns (INSAS v/s SLR).
6.Importance of reserve storages (Dumb bombs in storage brought during the '71 war came in handy during kargil)
7.Importance of self protection suites.
 
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These are serious allegations if true,but unfortunately we can do nothing other than improving our own indigenous defense manufacturing industry.

This news is nothing to be ashamed of bro,
What's more important is that we were able to secure help from our allies during the time of our need,and we developed the capabilities we lacked (here satelites for our army) soon after the war.
 
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Talking about lessons learnt from the Kargil conflict, Malik said, "There are no friends during a conflict as everybody wants to make money. We are importing 70 per cent defence equipment. How can we be a regional power? After so many years, we are yet to get our industry moving as there are mindset problems in our defence ministry…problem is import of technology. We require foreign collaboration. We are stuck at 26 per cent FDI. Our private sector has the money and capability."
Yes! Our private sector has the money and capability to produce defence equipment, but our babus and politicians would never allow that. There's money to be made in procuring defence equipment from abroad. Lots of money!
 
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This news is nothing to be ashamed of bro,
What's more important is that we were able to secure help from our allies during the time of our need,and we developed the capabilities we lacked (here satelites for our army) soon after the war.

There is nothing to be ashamed of,I agree.But sending outdated pictures are serious issues. Our soldiers lives were at stake and reckon based on outdated pictures means more casualties,isn't it?
 
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There is nothing to be ashamed of,I agree.But sending outdated pictures are serious issues. Our soldiers lives were at stake and reckon based on outdated pictures means more casualties,isn't it?

I think the army already knew it was outdated,and they needed'em anyway.I wouldn't blame anyone without knowing the full picture.

Which was that "friendly" nation???:angry:

could be Russia,France,Israel.....
 
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can anybody elaborate more on IN role in kargil conflict
 
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I think the army already knew it was outdated,and they needed'em anyway.I wouldn't blame anyone without knowing the full picture.

If they knew it,Malik won't have said it this way. But I agree with you on not to blame any one at this early hours before knowing the full facts and events.
 
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Another country agreed to provide us moving satellite pictures of the battlefield.. after few days, the pictures faded and we were told that the battery of the satellite was about to die.

Few days time is enough to gather all the intel required.
 
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