'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief

[Ayush]

The Kargil War was an opportunity in disguise,it helped us to learn a lot,and allowed us to apply what we have learned.

Unknown to most,even the Indian Navy played a great role during the conflict!

What was the navy's role bro?

 

[Levina]

What was the navy's role bro?

Yeah his statement confused me too.
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And this
"Thirty Indian Naval ships parked themselves outside Karachi. Just 13 nautical miles from the harbour, in the contiguous waters. It did the trick. It conveyed to Pakistan what the warfare in Himalayas and diplomatic channels could not spell out. They started pulling out of Kargil."

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Just my opinions:

1.Kargil once again taught us how important the coordination b/w IA,IAF and IN is.We were late to apply it,but once we applied them,we kicked a$$. (lacked it in '62)
2.Importance and our lack of intelligence,our failure to foresee the intrusion.
3.Importance and correct use of latest techs (Bofors guns,LGBs,Fire Finding Radars).
4.Importance of media.(Kargil war was our Gulf war interms of media cover).
5.Importance of lighter guns (INSAS v/s SLR).
6.Importance of reserve storages (Dumb bombs in storage brought during the '71 war came in handy during kargil)
7.Importance of self protection suites.

Importance of attack helicopters,crucial medical stuff like blood clots,something like Javelin and UAVs.

What was the navy's role bro?

Naval blockage of Pakistan and it is said Marcos were part of a few operations.

 

[Levina]

Importance of attack helicopters,crucial medical stuff like blood clots,something like Javelin and UAVs.
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A weak soldier is a dead soldier....
No lessons learnt from intelligence failure in Kargil: Joshi - India - DNA

ASC is corrupt and has been always so.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Would be nice to have an insight on what Kargil taught us that couldn't have been learned from '48, '62, '65 or '71?

Each of those Ops were different in specifics (context and execution); so the lessons that could be derived from each was different.

 

[Gautam]

Still we won!

Love you IA!

 

[Victory]

Who is this friendly country now

 

[500]

the friendly country must be Israel

In 1999 Israel had only one spy satellite with very poor 2 m quality. Its much less than commercial satellites.

 

[Levina]

In 1999 Israel had only one spy satellite with very poor 2 m quality. Its much less than commercial satellites.

Then it must be either Russia or US.
@acetophenol Why dont we consider US in the list???

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

A weak soldier is a dead soldier....
No lessons learnt from intelligence failure in Kargil: Joshi - India - DNA

ASC is corrupt and has been always so.

ASC or atta sugar chor called by some in the Army are responsible for supply.I wont deny that cases have not been where they have made money selling fuel,food etc but these things exist everywhere and Army is no different.We have a 1.3 million Army and no one can guarantee it to be a saintly force.

 

[Levina]

ASC or atta sugar chor called by some in the Army are responsible for supply.I wont deny that cases have not been where they have made money selling fuel,food etc but these things exist everywhere and Army is no different.We have a 1.3 million Army and no one can guarantee it to be a saintly force.

ASC has been at the edge always.So many of their officers are neck deep in corruption.But if nothings done about it then the situation is only going to get worst.We dont wanna try brinkmanship.

 

[hkdas]

ASC or atta sugar chor called by some in the Army are responsible for supply.I wont deny that cases have not been where they have made money selling fuel,food etc but these things exist everywhere and Army is no different.We have a 1.3 million Army and no one can guarantee it to be a saintly force.

corruption is in every were in the world. be it in india army or US army there is always corruption.

In 1999 Israel had only one spy satellite with very poor 2 m quality. Its much less than commercial satellites.

ya you are tight...i heard that Russia is the country that supplied the pics. us too had helped with satellite images.

 

[Indo-guy]

corruption is in every were in the world. be it in india army or US army there is always corruption.


ya you are tight...i heard that Russia is the country that supplied the pics. us too had helped with satellite images.

It doesn't matter which country it was ...when it comes to the matter of defense of nation -self sufficiency and self reliance should be the key focus ...

as long as we depend on others for our needs ...we will have to do with whatever we are given ...

Beggars seldom have choices ...

Glad to see that ISRO has taken corrective steps and fulfilled the much vaunted needs of armed forces ...

GAGAN should be in place in near future and that will make us seal reliant in terms of navigation ...

we shouldn't depend on US, Russia or any other country for such critical aspects of our defense no matter how friendly these country may be to us ....


Our ultimate goal should always be towards complete self reliance ...!

 

[acetophenol]

Then it must be either Russia or US.
@acetophenol Why dont we consider US in the list???

We were under economic sanctions from uncle sam...................

What was the navy's role bro?

our friends have already explained it bro

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

So next time some humanitarian cries over Indian space program...slap this news on his face...

'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief

Former chief of the army staff Gen Ved Prakash Malik, who led the Indian Army in the 1999 Kargil conflict, on Tuesday said the satellite pictures of Tololing area supplied to the army during the Kargil conflict by a "friendly country" were three-four years old while the moving pictures provided by another nation eventually faded as the battery of the satellite was "about to get over".

During a discussion on his latest book, India's Military Conflicts and Diplomacy: An Inside view of Decision Making, Malik said, "We had no satellite pictures of the battlefield area during the Kargil conflict. A friendly country provided us the pictures at Rs 35,000- Rs 36,000 per frame. We got the pictures of Tololing area but realised they were three-four year old. Another country agreed to provide us moving satellite pictures of the battlefield.. after few days, the pictures faded and we were told that the battery of the satellite was about to die. The three chiefs of the Armed Forces made all the noises and even met ISRO chief Kasturirangan apprsing him of the need for our own images. He promised that in three years we will have the satellite and he delivered."

During the 90-minute discussion, Malik emphasised on the need to record decision-making process to learn from mistakes while documenting military history of the nation. He criticised the policy-making process in the country and described it as "fractured and segmented".

Narrating the role of military as an extension of the political and diplomatic mandate, Malik said, "On June 3, 1999 air chief and I sought cabinet approval to go a few miles on the other side of Line of Control (LoC), but the request was put down." While that was the mandate during the conflict, he highlighted military lacks "peacetime aim".

"We are still following very antiquated system which is not allowing flawless decision-making process…our policies are fractured, segmented," he said.

Talking about lessons learnt from the Kargil conflict, Malik said, "There are no friends during a conflict as everybody wants to make money. We are importing 70 per cent defence equipment. How can we be a regional power? After so many years, we are yet to get our industry moving as there are mindset problems in our defence ministry…problem is import of technology. We require foreign collaboration. We are stuck at 26 per cent FDI. Our private sector has the money and capability."

Economist Vijay Kelkar also attended the event with Malik. Amongst others present were Air Marshal (retd) Bhushan Gokhale, S K Jain and Anant Sardeshmukh of MCCIA. The event was attended by senior retired officers of the Armed forces along with researchers and enthusiasts.

Link - 'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief - Indian Express