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Free East Turkestan will back India on Aksai Chin | Uyghur World Congress President |NewsX Exclusive

Pakistan and Turkey houses enough Uyghurs to have a East Turkestan friendly to the rest of us. Your attempts at vilifying the East Turkestan movement and creating a rift between us will not work. Period.

Once East Turkestan is a reality, they'll never support India. Politicians don't matter since they can always change their statements. And it is the lack of Pakistani support which leads the WUC to make such statements.

First of all, I've never heard we house many Uyghurs. Refugees are welcome but I don't think there's many Uyghurs in Pakistan.

Secondly, WUC is no friend, neither we support them. If situation arises we will help China crush them to protect common interests, not the other way around.
 
Let me make it easier for you to learn then.

You said that Turks were pushed westwards....then you claim Uyghurs aren't Turks! Then you claim you weren't talking about Uyghurs when you made the first statement. You also said once (like 1 day ago) that I know knowing about Chinese history.....yet here....you are unable to explain to me how the Uyghurs inhabited much of Northern & Western China and were pushed back into present day Xinjiang.

You also have a lack of understanding of the English language. You also think that Chinese historians were the only ones who recorded history and that any other historian must be lying.

So again, explain to me did these guys get pushed Westwards or not?? Did they magically appear into Xinjiang and left their homelands and decided to join Communist China??
I was talking about Turks in Turkey, their ancestors were pushed to the west, other Turkic tribes surrendered and were assimilated into the general Chinese population. Who said every Turkic tribe left China? Uighurs maybe Turks and myabe not, their origin is still very debatable, that's what I said.
 
First of all, I've never heard we house many Uyghurs. Refugees are welcome but I don't think there's many Uyghurs in Pakistan.

Secondly, WUC is no friend, neither we support them. If situation arises we will help China crush them to protect common interests, not the other way around.

At least we know where you stand. You would "crush" Muslims around the world just to appease China. Musharraf got rid of many Uyghurs, who went to Turkey, just to appease China. And look where he's now......legally called a traitor to Pakistan, whatever the sentiments around him may be.

Turkey & Turks are very vocal about the Uyghurs. Turkey houses a larger refugee population than Pakistan fyi.

This undying love of China isn't a two way street either, you should read this thread.

This is how the Chinese think of you for all your China Pak dosti/bhai bhai:

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Uighurs maybe Turks and myabe not, their origin is still very debatable, that's what I said.

They're not debatable though. After erasing Uyghur religion and culture....you're trying to erase their ethnicity?? Good luck with that! :rolleyes:
 
What's wrong with it? I m never a fan of the idea of forming " allies". what does this have to do with this thread?


China does not have allies, but has friends with partnership diplomacy
By Xue Li Source: Global Times Published: 2020/11/8 20:18:40

The Wall Street Journal published an article earlier this month entitled "China's Risky Bet on a Lonely Return to Greatness," suggesting China has no friends. China does not have allies indeed, but it doesn't lack of friends. This is not only because of China's historical tradition and the current international environment, but also because of China's own choices.

Based on Christian monotheism, the spirit of Roman law and Greek formal logic, Western civilization largely views problems and world order from the perspective of binary opposition. Therefore, they prefer forming alliances in diplomacy so as to restrain and even assimilate allies through mandatory mechanisms. This allows them to confront and even defeat the non-allies.

At the same time, they firmly believe that every country must have a similar diplomatic philosophy, so it is necessary to encircle and even disintegrate emerging powers. They not only try to equate the history of Christian expansion since the maritime exploration during the age of discovery with the universal history of humanity, but also view the diplomatic concept of the Christian civilization over past 500 years as the world's universal diplomatic philosophy. They do not realize that 500 years is a relatively short period in the history of human civilization, and that different civilizations have different views on diplomacy world order.

During the Han Dynasty (206BC-AD220), Taoism and Confucianism are the main concepts on which Chinese civilization is used to view issues, advocating the construction of an order through rule of ritual. Therefore, China has few diplomatic alliances, and it advocates that countries should adjust their ties according to specific situations. In diplomatic operations, China emphasizes that a country should believe in the charm of their own values and civilization, rather than forcefully imposing their own values and systems onto others.

In the past 500 years, some European countries became global empires through colonial expansion by means of force. The US has become a superpower after the end of the two world wars through building alliance systems. With the changing times and the emergence of nuclear weapons, it's impossible for China to copy the emergence of European countries or the approaches of the US. One feasible option to realize the rejuvenation of Chinese civilization would be to expand its overseas interests in a way that is acceptable to the host country - whether with general policies, economics, and culture.

In modern times, China once allied itself with other countries. Those alliances were not systematic and continuous, and the outcomes were not ideal enough. China thus gave up diplomatic alliances, and carried out its non-aligned diplomacy in 1960s and 1970s, independent foreign policy of peace in 1980s, and partnership diplomacy since 1990s.

Chinese civilization is a kind of regional civilization. Although it has global influence in some aspects, it lacks the gene of global expansion of monotheistic civilizations. Perhaps because of the reasons mentioned above, Chinese leaders have repeatedly stressed that China has no intent to replace any other country in the world. But Western countries will take a long time to accept this.

Partnership diplomacy meets the needs of the contemporary world. On the road of rejuvenation, China firmly believes that partnership diplomacy is a better and more suitable choice for itself than alliance diplomacy. So far, 112 countries and international organizations have established partnerships with China. This number will undoubtedly continue to increase. Partnership diplomacy has become a prominent feature of China's diplomacy.

After the Belt and Road Initiative was proposed in 2013, China's diplomacy has changed from maintaining a low profile to becoming more proactive in global affairs. But the policy of "partnership rather than alliance" has not changed, and it is unlikely to change in the future. The indisputable fact is that the system of alliance diplomacy preferred by Western countries is the choice of a few countries in the world, and most countries choose non-aligned diplomacy. Besides, the vast majority of them are developing countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America.

The world has entered a long period of competition and cooperation among civilizations. It is necessary for the West to think outside the box instead of seeing the world from the perspective of Christian civilization, and learn to put itself into China's position. Only in this way can the West truly understand the Chinese civilization and contemporary China, and base the relationship between China and the West on an accurate judgment and a relatively solid foundation so as to reduce misunderstandings and conflicts, and increase cooperation and mutual benefits.

 
At least we know where you stand. You would "crush" Muslims around the world just to appease China. Musharraf got rid of many Uyghurs, who went to Turkey, just to appease China. And look where he's now......legally called a traitor to Pakistan, whatever the sentiments around him may be.

Turkey & Turks are very vocal about the Uyghurs. Turkey houses a larger refugee population than Pakistan fyi.

This undying love of China isn't a two way street either, you should read this thread.

This is how the Chinese think of you for all your China Pak dosti/bhai bhai:

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They're not debatable though. After erasing Uyghur religion and culture....you're trying to erase their ethnicity?? Good luck with that! :rolleyes:

There are 5 ex-Soviet Central Asian states. 4 of them are Turkic. None of them ever voiced concern about Kashmiri cause. Selfish pricks. The other one Tajikstan officially hosts Indian terror air force base. Did you even know that?

A free Uyghur state will be another selfish prick and completely useless. Our land connection to China through Xinjiang is far more valuable.
 
They're not debatable though. After erasing Uyghur religion and culture....you're trying to erase their ethnicity?? Good luck with that! :rolleyes:
It's more to do with science, I guess you don't know the origin of the Han Chinese people is also very debated among scholars.
 
First of all, I've never heard we house many Uyghurs. Refugees are welcome but I don't think there's many Uyghurs in Pakistan.


The actual number is way higher than the one in the wiki. Raiwind had a lot of Uyghurs before Musharraf came along.
There are 5 ex-Soviet Central Asian states. 4 of them are Turkic. None of them ever voiced concern about Kashmiri cause. Selfish pricks. The other one Tajikstan officially hosts Indian terror air force base. Did you even know that?

A free Uyghur state will be another selfish prick and completely useless. Our land connection to China through Xinjiang is far more valuable.

I do because most of their leaders are Russian and now Chinese puppets.....Tajikistan also has a Chinese base....bet you didn't know that.

I am well aware of international geopolitics. And let me tell you why the CA Turks are afraid of the East Turkestan....because they're mostly a Islamic movement sprinkled with some nationalism.
 
I am well aware of international geopolitics. And let me tell you why the CA Turks are afraid of the East Turkestan....because they're mostly a Islamic movement sprinkled with some nationalism.
It has nothing to do with Islam, Hui Muslims and Uighurs were always at each other's throats in the history, if Uighurs really fight China, who do you think Muslim Huis will support? Huis are the biggest Muslim group in China.

In 2009, after Urumqi riot, in my school many Hui Muslims hated Uighurs so much and they refused to sit in the same classroom with Uighur students, I was shocked by the hatred they showed to each other. Now people live peacefully and friendly with each other, but there was a point the tension was so overwhelming.
 
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I do because most of their leaders are Russian and now Chinese puppets.....Tajikistan also has a Chinese base....bet you didn't know that.

I am well aware of international geopolitics. And let me tell you why the CA Turks are afraid of the East Turkestan....because they're mostly a Islamic movement sprinkled with some nationalism.

I don't care who their leaders are, they are all the same to me. Useless countries that are good only for some economic engagement.

It's going to be a new Kazakhstan at best or a new Afghanistan at worst.

As someone else said in this board before, there's a whole lot of Muslim countries and people who would not miss us a bit if today India wiped us off the map. Perfectly defines the Central Asian Turks, the Arabs, Iranis, Afghans and North Africans.
 
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I don't care who their leaders are, they are all the same to me. Useless countries that are good only for some economic engagement.

It's going to be a new Kazakhstan at best or a new Afghanistan at worst.

As someone else said in this board before, there's a whole lot of Muslim countries and people who would not miss us a bit if today India wiped us off the map. Perfectly defines the Central Asian Turks, the Arabs, Iranis, Afghans and North Africans.
Actually the whole world Will


with all the hell we would raise before going out
It has nothing to do with Islam, Hui Muslims and Uighurs were always at each other's throats in the history, if Uighurs really fight China, who do you think Muslim Huis will support? Huis are the biggest Muslim group in China.

In 2009, after Urumqi riot, in my school many Hui Muslims hated Uighurs so much and they refused to sit in the same classroom with Uighur students, I was shocked by the hatred they showed to each other. Now people live peacefully and friendly with each other, but there was a point the tension was so overwhelming.
What's the hui and uhigar issue
 
I don't care who their leaders are, they are all the same to me. Useless countries that are good only for some economic engagement.

It's going to be a new Kazakhstan at best or a new Afghanistan at worst.

As someone else said in this board before, there's a whole lot of Muslim countries and people who would not miss us a bit if today India wiped us off the map. Perfectly defines the Central Asian Turks, the Arabs, Iranis, Afghans and North Africans.

Your post reeks of defeat. Pakistanis don't accept defeat.

What's the hui and uhigar issue

There is none......the Qing Dynasty used both to get rid of each other after massacring both populations to their current levels. Don't believe in CCP history, do your own research.

The Hui were sinified while the Uyghurs still maintain their own Turkish identity...
 
Your post reeks of defeat. Pakistanis don't accept defeat.

My post reeks of looking after OUR interest.

I don't subscribe to relations that are not reciprocal. We need to get into this mindset before it's too late.
 
What hell? We don't have a Samson Option like the Israelis.
Just with 100 Hiroshima level bomb's in Indo Pak war and resulting firestorms radiation outfall would create global nuclear winter creating famines and with current covid crisis even pandemics due to prolonged winter radiation weakening immunity
1.5 to 2 Billion at least will die from aftermath all over the globe American own estimates
What hell? We don't have a Samson Option like the Israelis.
Just with 100 Hiroshima level bomb's in Indo Pak war and resulting firestorms radiation outfall would create global nuclear winter creating famines and with current covid crisis even pandemics due to prolonged winter radiation weakening immunity
1.5 to 2 Billion at least will die from aftermath all over the globe American own estimates
What hell? We don't have a Samson Option like the Israelis.
Just with 100 Hiroshima level bomb's in Indo Pak war and resulting firestorms radiation outfall would create global nuclear winter creating famines and with current covid crisis even pandemics due to prolonged winter radiation weakening immunity
1.5 to 2 Billion at least will die from aftermath all over the globe American own estimates
 
My post reeks of looking after OUR interest.

I don't subscribe to relations that are not reciprocal. We need to get into this mindset before it's too late.

You're right that the relationship isn't reciprocal but seeing how the Uyghurs were kicked off to Turkey (not all)......how would you even justify your arguments??

Musharaf kicked out Uyghurs first.......Turkey accepted them and now some are in Syria, being battle trained.


Just with 100 Hiroshima level bomb's in Indo Pak war and resulting firestorms radiation outfall would create global nuclear winter creating famines and with current covid crisis even pandemics due to prolonged winter radiation weakening immunity
1.5 to 2 Billion at least will die from aftermath all over the globe American own estimates

Just with 100 Hiroshima level bomb's in Indo Pak war and resulting firestorms radiation outfall would create global nuclear winter creating famines and with current covid crisis even pandemics due to prolonged winter radiation weakening immunity
1.5 to 2 Billion at least will die from aftermath all over the globe American own estimates

Just with 100 Hiroshima level bomb's in Indo Pak war and resulting firestorms radiation outfall would create global nuclear winter creating famines and with current covid crisis even pandemics due to prolonged winter radiation weakening immunity
1.5 to 2 Billion at least will die from aftermath all over the globe American own estimates

Sorry dude....but are you a bot? You posted the same thing 3 times...
 

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