France planning to build and DOMINATE EU Army, Nato claims as nation neglects duties

[Blue Marlin]

@Blue Marlin
I have a little bit think and if you means the migration wave is good for us...I don`t know.



Maybe you should change your location then...?

ok getting there but not quiet. would these migrants sit at home all day long or would they do somthing with their life?
theres more but i will make you think for the answer

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

@Blue Marlin
Oh...I got the answer at the first thought, I only ask to be sure because i couldn`t believe it.

You are a optimist, me seems, I hope it, but i don`t believe it and to be honest, I can`t hear this anymore. The economic answer...there is more than economy. But we could this reduce to economy.
Language, the migration waves to the UK were mostly from their former colonies and they already were able to speak English...how many migrants are able to speak German nowadays?
Education, I haven`t the exactly data about the education levels of the migrants in the 60`, but we have some data now. The truth is, we got or did not get the doctors and engineers who are trying the media and politicians to sell us and that is the next point. You could earn money and live with them in the 60`, but you need more skills in an high tech society like ours, welcome in the year 2016.
What we would be at the point of cheap labor, as if this would not market already crowded with us and constantly grow. For more, it will not bring the majority of migrants, I do not want reduced these people, it`s just so. The digitization and automation supplant the muscular power and require knowledge not muscles. The Tale of labor shortages with us is the pure joke.
The next point for this post...the attitude of the migrants nowadays. It seems to me, the majority of them is awaiting a house, studium, good job and a wife...in opposite to the migrants in the 60`, who know, they have to work for it.

We are faced with huge costs, official figures speak of 98 billion by 2020 and would require, it would come no new migrants. Money which is missing to expand our infrastructure, which of course reduces our competitiveness for the future. And finally, the whole boom is currently funded with taxpayers' money and debts and not sustained enough to carry itself ... I love it.

There is more but I will make you think for the answer...

 

[Blue Marlin]

@Blue Marlin
Oh...I got the answer at the first thought, I only ask to be sure because i couldn`t believe it.

You are a optimist, me seems, I hope it, but i don`t believe it and to be honest, I can`t hear this anymore. The economic answer...there is more than economy. But we could this reduce to economy.
Language, the migration waves to the UK were mostly from their former colonies and they already were able to speak English...how many migrants are able to speak German nowadays?
Education, I haven`t the exactly data about the education levels of the migrants in the 60`, but we have some data now. The truth is, we got or did not get the doctors and engineers who are trying the media and politicians to sell us and that is the next point. You could earn money and live with them in the 60`, but you need more skills in an high tech society like ours, welcome in the year 2016.
What we would be at the point of cheap labor, as if this would not market already crowded with us and constantly grow. For more, it will not bring the majority of migrants, I do not want reduced these people, it`s just so. The digitization and automation supplant the muscular power and require knowledge not muscles. The Tale of labor shortages with us is the pure joke.
The next point for this post...the attitude of the migrants nowadays. It seems to me, the majority of them is awaiting a house, studium, good job and a wife...in opposite to the migrants in the 60`, who know, they have to work for it.

We are faced with huge costs, official figures speak of 98 billion by 2020 and would require, it would come no new migrants. Money which is missing to expand our infrastructure, which of course reduces our competitiveness for the future. And finally, the whole boom is currently funded with taxpayers' money and debts and not sustained enough to carry itself ... I love it.

There is more but I will make you think for the answer...

ok you got about 2 thirds of it.

in the 60 and 70's south asains came by the thousands. they too wew not skilled and mainly worked in the mills. and did their own thing. people did not like it but their sucked it up and took it. 30+ years on where are they? every where they have become integral here. so much infact curry is widespread they have opened up bussiness employing thousands op people and add billions to the economy. now nobody cares heck they are marrying british people to. to be differant culturally and religiously and then marry is a cleary sign they are intregated well. sure you have the bad almods too but which place is not all good?

kinda like whats happening in germany. migrants come there by the thousands they become a drain and the public dont like them bla bla bla... and so on. but in lets say 5 years time things will improve slowly. granted i see that fact that any agressive move will alienate germany as the past will haunt them. and the "west" did not ruin the region. that includes us too. they should be a limit on the number comming in yes. but to controll that you mustunderstand where are they coming from libya syria and so on. if there is at least some stability then the influx will reduce heck or even stop. this will take time. as for costs of having them well as i said think long term they will inject that money back.

as for labour. well cheaper is better really at a good quality service sure they will saturate the market but this is a initail phase they cant be labourers forever right? everyone whats a good life for their family wouldn't you? back in the 60's you came here and only had the money in your pocket and the clothes on your back sure you may have been working in the mills but that did not pay nowhere near enough for a decent life.

next clue is another type of growth is essentail for economic growth.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

I hope it, I don`t believe it, but I hope, nevertheless today considered factors other than in that time...we will see.

 

[mike2000 is back]

@Vauban, i dont see anything in the article which says british or anglo saxon officials are wary of france taking over an E.U army(if anything, it will be Germany. Lol). The article you yourself posted doesnt mention anything like that on the contrary it says britshh defence envoy has been urging NATO members to meet their defence obligations and stop relying too much on the U.S .

Vauban, a so called E.U army will be a disaster for europe. With all these pussy countries we have in europe who dont care to invest on their own defence(forget about projecting power abroad /helping allies around the world) or take part in overseas deployments/wars to protect european interests. Only Britain and France are committed to the defence of Europe and are ready/taking part in deploying troops wherever necessary around the globe to protect those interests, the rest are just backbenchers in many ways.

In fact, today the EU battle group, the EUs rapid reaction force, which requires the conditions of every member state to be met, and then an Council resolution, has never deployed since it was formed LMAO. and the EU's missions are vulnerable to having their funding vetoed.
So, You could expect the EU army to operate in the same way and that is a wasteful way to organise your defence.

Anyway, our Government has consistently said that it will oppose any measures which would undermine member states competence for their own military forces, or lead to competition and duplication with NATO, which is the cornerstone of Britains and europe defence. So this E.U army dream will never happen as long as we have veto.

Truth be told, we are not the only member who is wary of losing its defence sovereingty over this so called fantasy E.U army. since, EU member states have not moved forward in this area as well, for the simple reason that they do not have the confidence that their interests, threat perceptions, politics and strategic cultures will align sufficiently to warrant such a loss of sovereignty. Full stop.

So i believe It would be in European states defence interests to make more out of NATO and in their security interests to make more out of the EU.

German army is way, way superior to French army.

Where do you get that infos from ?
This is not France and Germany of WWII we are talking about dude. We are un 2016.
If we are to use your logic of past military exploits to judge current miliary power then Britain will be the most powerful military on earth Even today. Since we conquered and ruled over half the world(the U.S included) this past 2 centuries and no foreign power ever set foot on our soil through invasion in modern history Lmao.

 

[UKBengali]

Where do you get that infos from ?
This is not France and Germany of WWII we are talking about dude. We are un 2016.
If we are to use your logic of past military exploits to judge current miliary power then Britain will be the most powerful military on earth Even today. Since we conquered and ruled over half the world(the U.S included) this past 2 centuries and no foreign power ever set foot on our soil through invasion in modern history Lmao.

German military culture is far superior to that of the French. They just need the will and will soon have a military way better than the French.

In terms of military potential in EU, I would say the following order is accurate:

1. Germany
2. UK
3. France

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

German military culture is far superior to that of the French. They just need the will and will soon have a military way better than the French.

In terms of military potential in EU, I would say the following order is accurate:

1. Germany
2. UK
3. France

Nope...we are not playing in this league anymore.

 

[UKBengali]

Nope...



Nope...we are not playing in this league anymore.

That is why I said "culture" and "potential" and not current capability.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

That is why I said "culture" and "potential" and not current capability.

I let stay "potential"...but our "military culture" has gone to hell...

 

[mike2000 is back]

German military culture is far superior to that of the French. They just need the will and will soon have a military way better than the French.

In terms of military potential in EU, I would say the following order is accurate:

1. Germany
2. UK
3. France

Lol you are now talking about potential.

Good you changed from 'Germany army is way superior to France ' to ''military potential'. Lol

Anyway if we are to talk about 'potential' then there countless countries out there who also have the potential' . I'm sure that if China,Russia,India, Brazil etc have the culture and potential to invade/defeat the.U.S if they regain their will.
Indonesia has the potential to conquer Australia,Singapore and many others, Turkey has the potential to conquer all its neighbours in the middle East.
Huh.....even AFRICA has the POTENTIAL to lead the world. Etc etc

 

[UKBengali]

Lol you are now talking about potential.

Good you changed from 'Germany army is way superior to France ' to ''military potential'. Lol

Anyway if we are to talk about 'potential' then there countless countries out there who also have the potential' . I'm sure that if China,Russia,India, Brazil etc have the culture and potential to invade/defeat the.U.S if they regain their will.
Indonesia has the potential to conquer Australia,Singapore and many others, Turkey has the potential to conquer all its neighbours in the middle East.
Huh.....even AFRICA has the POTENTIAL to lead the world. Etc etc

France is not a good military nation as both the UK and Germany have proved countless times they are better.

Name me one real war that France has won since Napolean and I don't want to hear about Mali?

 

[mike2000 is back]

France is not a good military nation as both the UK and Germany have proved countless times they are better.

Name me one real war that France has won since Napolean and I don't want to hear about Mali?

France has conquered and ruled the most countries in the world after Britain. They are the one who actually helped the bloody yanks gain their independence from us. lol

France fought and won wars farrrr away from it's neighbourhood around the globe from africa, to Asia to latin America, to the Caribbeans, to north America from the 1500s to 1960s way BEFORE and AFTER Napoleons birth and death. only a select FEW countries can boast of such a military feat.

They conquered and ruled
Algeria
territories in Antarctica
Benin
Burkina Faso
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada(Quebec)
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Djibouti
Gabon
Guinea
Haiti
Laos
Lebanon
Madagascar
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mali
Morocco
Niger
Republic of the Congo
Senegal
Seychelles
Syria
Togo
Tunisia
Vanuatu
Vietnam

and many others indirectly. ONLY Britain and the U.S to some extent can boast of more. Lol

Its just because Germany defeated them during WWII that some mis-informed people say they have never been good in war. Im sure if not for the Russian winter and Germany had conquered moscow many people will be saying the same thing about Russia today.

 

[UKBengali]

France has conquered and ruled the most countries in the world after Britain. They are the one who actually helped the bloody yanks gain their independence from us. lol

France fought and won wars farrrr away from it's neighbourhood around the globe from africa, to Asia to latin America, to the Caribbeans, to north America from the 1500s to 1960s way BEFORE and AFTER Napoleons birth and death. only a select FEW countries can boast of such a military feat.

They conquered and ruled
Algeria
territories in Antarctica
Benin
Burkina Faso
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada(Quebec)
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Djibouti
Gabon
Guinea
Haiti
Laos
Lebanon
Madagascar
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mali
Morocco
Niger
Republic of the Congo
Senegal
Seychelles
Syria
Togo
Tunisia
Vanuatu
Vietnam

and many others indirectly. ONLY Britain and the U.S to some extent can boast of more. Lol

Its just because Germany defeated them during WWII that some mis-informed people say they have never been good in war. Im sure if not for the Russian winter and Germany had conquered moscow many people will be saying the same thing about Russia today.

That list is full of all 3rd world countries.

French are just not cut out to be soldiers as when they come against an industrialised country like Germany, they lose ALL the time.

 

[Vergennes]

That list is full of all 3rd world countries.

French are just not cut out to be soldiers as when they come against an industrialised country like Germany, they lose ALL the time.

This comment shows your total ignorance about the french military might and history. You are just talking with your hatred of everything that is french,there cannot be any rational debate with you.

I'll just post this.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Verdun...one of your finest hour.