France planning to build and DOMINATE EU Army, Nato claims as nation neglects duties

[mike2000 is back]

Mate.

Who posses threat to Europe ?

In your West you have Atlantic ocean.
In your South you have North African countries which posses zero threat.
In your East you have Turkey, a strong NATO member covering your flank.
In your North you have Russia.

Even if you have superior numbers of equipment (tanks, ships, aircraft) against Russia, it holds no meaning as they have nuclear weapons...

So, what are you going to do with a massive/strong European armed forces at all ?

Lol what do you mean by what are we going to do with a strong MILITARY?? thats a funny question. Lol
Maybe Europe should just be like iceland I guess and dismantle its entire military, that way there will be peace and stability in the region. Lol

Its better to not have a military at all(spend all the money on welfare and social programs like some claim) than have an impotent/weak/useless military. It should be either you invest to have a credible military or you simply forego having a military since its a 'waste'. Lol

As I said before, we never know where and when a conflict that threatens our interests will erupt. Who would have ever though that Argentina will invade the Falklands islands in the 1980s? NOBODY EVER expected that not even the most knowleageable british security analyst.lol Yet it happened.
Now if britain was like many European countries like Portugal, italy or Spain neglecting its defence and interests, im sure you will agree with me that the falklands will be in Argentinan territory long ago.

As I always said, better safe than sorry. we never know what will happen today much less tomorrow. Lol

 

[xenon54 out]

Lol what do you mean by what are we going to do with a strong MILITARY?? thats a funny question. Lol
Maybe Europe should just be like iceland I guess and dismantle its entire military, that way there will be peace and stability in the region. Lol

Its better to not have a military at all(spend all the money on welfare and social programs like some claim) than have an impotent/weak useless military. It should be either you invest to have a credible military or you simply forego having a military since its a waste. Lol

As I said before, we never where and when a conflict that threatens our interests will erupt. Who would have ever though that Argentina will invade the Falklands islands in the 1980s? NOBODY EVER expected that. Yet it happened.
Now if britain was like many European countries like Portugal, italy or Spain neglecting its defence and interests, im sure you will agree with me that the falklands will be in Argentina's hands long ago.

As I always said, better safe than sorry. we never know what will happen today much less tomorrow. Lol

When it comes to military in Europe there will always be the big nations that are giving the direction and provide major protection and then there will be the smaller ones that will seek protection no matter how much they spend on their military.

If you force eastern Europeans to spend more on military then you will have to deal with a lot more Greece's in the future, you will have to bail them out and have headache with regulating their govermental spendings, imagine all the headlines like Poletix, Slowexit, Bulgexit, Romexit, do you want this to happen, wouldnt it just be easier to deploy some missiles there and everything is fine?

 

[-SINAN-]

Lol what do you mean by what are we going to do with a strong MILITARY?? thats a funny question. Lol

By strong military, I mean, a stronger European army when you compare it to current state. That's what you are talking about at the first place.

Maybe Europe should just be like iceland I guess and dismantle its entire military, that way there will be peace and stability in the region. Lol

Its better to not have a military at all(spend all the money on welfare and social programs like some claim) than have an impotent/weak/useless military. It should be either you invest to have a credible military or you simply forego having a military since its a 'waste'. Lol

No, of course a military is a must. But it is good at it is. I'm not saying completely dismantling it but saying no need to enhance it any more further. Except for France and UK.

You have to separate the concepts of "ability to project power overseas" and "defending the homeland".

As I said before, we never know where and when a conflict that threatens our interests will erupt. Who would have ever though that Argentina will invade the Falklands islands in the 1980s? NOBODY EVER expected that not even the most knowleageable british security analyst.lol Yet it happened.
Now if britain was like many European countries like Portugal, italy or Spain neglecting its defence and interests, im sure you will agree with me that the falklands will be in Argentinan territory long ago.

Mate, as i said before UK and France is another story. You need to have the ability to project power. However, most of the other European countries doesn't need to do such thing.

As I always said, better safe than sorry. we never know what will happen today much less tomorrow. Lol

Maybe, Martians can invade the world 5 years later, and Europeans should arm themselves for the interstellar war ? Well, good luck convincing other European countries to gear up for an non-existing enemy.

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, good luck convincing other European countries to gear up for an non-existing enemy.

Well i dont agree with non-existing enemy since Russia is a real threat to Eastern Europe as Ukraine showed us but no matter how much those spend on their military they will stay a easy bite for Russia.

 

[-SINAN-]

f you force eastern Europeans to spend more on military then you will have to deal with a lot more Greece's in the future, you will have to bail them out and have headache with regulating their govermental spendings, imagine all the headlines like Poletix, Slowexit, Bulgexit, Romexit, do you want this to happen, wouldnt it just be easier to deploy some missiles there and everything is fine?

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

I'm saying only one day...Independence Day! Yeah!

 

[-SINAN-]

Well i dont agree with non-existing enemy since Russia is a real threat to Eastern Europe as Ukraine showed us but no matter how much those spend on their military they will stay a easy bite for Russia.

Mate, let's say Europe produces.....10.000 F-22s and 100.000 Leos.....what does it matter when your oppenent can send hundreds of Nukes over your cities ? It's pointless to develop superior conventional weapons both in quality and quantity against Russia.

 

[xenon54 out]

Mate, let's say Europe produces.....10.000 F-22s and 100.000 Leos.....what does it matter when your oppenent can send hundreds of Nukes over your cities ? It's pointless to develop superior conventional weapons both in quality and quantity against Russia.

The thing with nuclear wepons is it needs balls to use them, even more so against a enemy that can fire back (UK, France).

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Lol
Maybe Europe should just be like iceland I guess and dismantle its entire military, that way there will be peace and stability in the region. Lol

Haha! Hey isn't the US tasked with their national defense...or maybe was?

 

[-SINAN-]

So why does Russia still produce conventional weapons in such vast quantities when its adversaries have nukes too?

In the 1950s the US thought it didn't need a conventional military too. Thought they'd just nuke everything that looked at us funny. But like it or not, a conventional army is an effective deterrent, even against a nuclear armed adversary.

Against non-Nuclear states which they are able to project power, namely, Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc....

I remember CNN, BBC etc....they were making news about North Korea, everyday...North Korea this, North Korea that, North Korea is getting nuclear bombs....one day North Korea tested it's NUKE....and it was all silent afterwards.

 

[MarkusS]

Mate, let's say Europe produces.....10.000 F-22s and 100.000 Leos.....what does it matter when your oppenent can send hundreds of Nukes over your cities ? It's pointless to develop superior conventional weapons both in quality and quantity against Russia.

russia is no threat. We live in the 21st century amigo. We need the ability to project power evrywhere where conflicts arise. Look at syria or libya for example. We need the ability to pacify our backyard.

 

[-SINAN-]

russia is no threat. We live in the 21st century amigo. We need the ability to project power evrywhere where conflicts arise. Look at syria or libya for example. We need the ability to pacify our backyard.

Who is "we" ?

 

[MarkusS]

Who is "we" ?

EU and europe as a whole. We (italy) currently estabilish a central government in libya. Send advisors and guards to build up a local stabile power. A united EU military could be far more effective to do so.

 

[bsruzm]

Who is "we" ?

The guy a troll, isn't he? Libya he said...

 

[-SINAN-]

The guy a troll, isn't he? Libya he said...

Just ignore....