Four forces colliding in the Middle East

[Wolfhound]

region will always be unstable because of
1.Religion
2.Oil

So they should turn into atheists like you and that will stabilize the region? Religion is not the problem mindsets,education,extremisim are

Hey mr.bigmouth atleast in our country terrorists are not able to go into a school and kill more than 100 children.



Iran has alot of potential, even with all the sanctions we have achieved countless stuff.

First of all that was a low blow you prick,the killing of innocent children isnt something to win arguments with. Secondly iran does have a lot of potential but at this moment that is all that it has

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, if I was you, I would worry about where Turkey is going. Let me remind you that Turkey is making the same mistakes that Pakistan made 30 years ago. You have messed up with a neighbor through a more potent form of proxy than Pakistan ever could imagine possible. Just like Pakistan you have now a large refugee population whose culture and religious inclinations are different than yours. At least Pakistan has a very disciplined and a very powerful army. Turkey's situation will be much worse than Pakistan's is today in afew years time.

Turkey is one of the last countrys you should worry about in ME, Turkey has the strongest army in ME alongside Israel but with NATO bonus, dont worry.

 

[Daneshmand]

Turkey is one of the last countrys you should worry about in ME, Turkey has the strongest army in ME alongside Israel but with NATO bonus, dont worry.

I genuinely hope so. But I do think Turkey has seriously miscalculated in this regard. And I sincerely do not want to see the innocent Turkish public pay for this miscalculation the way Pakistani public is paying. But then you do not know how dangerous it can be to play with Frankenstein monsters. Ask any sane Pakistani member here, who will explain it to you. Turkey is sinking in a dangerous swamp.

PS. By the way Pakistanis were also very confident and sure of themselves and their capabilities, 30 years ago when they were playing games with their monsters. Just like you are now.

 

[xenon54 out]

I genuinely hope so. But I do think Turkey has seriously miscalculated in this regard. And I sincerely do not want to see the innocent Turkish public pay for this miscalculation the way Pakistani public is paying. But then you do not know how dangerous it can be to play with Frankenstein monsters. Ask any sane Pakistani member here, who will explain it to you. Turkey is sinking in a dangerous swamp.

You know what, we were hearing accusation that Turkey supports isis but it turned out that Turkey alongside Iran was one of the first countrys to send weapons to KRG which Barzani himself said it in a interview. Then they were saying Turkey is treating isis fighters which again turned out to be ypg fighters, later they said Turkey is turning a blind eye on terrorists entering Syria from its territorry and it came out that thousands of jihadists got arrested and deported back to their countrys, and now suddely the accusations stopped, odd isnt it? I dont worry about Turkeys future, at least not regarding terrorism.

 

[Winchester]

Yes, that is probably because of the difference how life is judged in Iranian vs. Pakistan's society. In Iran a school child's life is more important than a soldier or an officer. In Pakistan the VIP'ism takes a different view. That is why you can not understand what I am saying.

By the way just a few years ago, zombies had attacked the central never center of Pakistan's military (GHQ) and had killed generals and soldiers alike. As they had attacked, killed and destroyed high value military aircrafts and aviation engineers/pilots. So much so for your argument of "soft" and "hard" target. Keep yourself informed. And stop comparing 150 kids with 5 grown up men.

your location flag shows Pakistan but clearly you have no idea about our society and our values
anyone who has been around this forum or any Pakistani media site knows that this tragedy has hit us like none other and the reason for it is the murder of kids
so keep your judgements about our society to yourself
No general was killed during the GHQ attack
as for the other things you have mentioned given the magnanimity of the challenge plus looking at the performance of the coalition forces in Afghanistan
and even looking at what is happening in Syria to the Iranian backed Syrian army
Pakistan army has done well under these circumstances
The taliban as of now only hold a small patch of land in North Waziristan
preventing terrorist attacks in urban areas is the duty of law-enforcement not the army
and for the last time stop bringing up those kids

 

[IRAN 1802]

Those 5 grown men were a target and your government knew they were a target but failed to protect them !
That fool from your country brought up that topic of the children while comparing armies
Pakistan's capabalities are not the topic at hand

Comparing security of Iran with Pakistan is idiotic !

 

[Winchester]

Comparing security of Iran with Pakistan is idiotic !

The challenges facing Pakistan and Iran are very different and hence i agree comparing the security is idiotic.
You know what else is idiotic bringing up that school massacre to score a point !

 

[SipahSalar]

You serious bro? You just compared the lives of 150 children to 5 grown up men doing a dangerous job. Is it because of Pakistan's VIP culture?

You tell me who is an easier target? Kids or Nuclear scientists? Kids get killed in USA too, they are harder to protect, they are little angels. Nuclear scientists are your country's assets, if you can't even defend them with maximum security then protecting kids is out of question.

 

[Daneshmand]

You tell me who is an easier target? Kids or Nuclear scientists? Kids get killed in USA too, they are harder to protect, they are little angels. Nuclear scientists are your country's assets, if you can't even defend them with maximum security then protecting kids is out of question.

You tell me which is an easier target? A nuclear engineer driving on street or a naval base: PNS Mehran attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You tell me which is an easier target? An electrical engineer driving on street or your GHQ: Operation Janbaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You lost a General officer rank inside the nerve center of military. A target can not get any harder than this.

The assets of a country are the children. At least that is the view in Iran. Grown up men are there to protect those kids and lay down their lives for them. Be they scientist or not. It might be the other way around in Pakistan. I don't know.

 

[IRAN 1802]

The challenges facing Pakistan and Iran are very different and hence i agree comparing the security is idiotic.
You know what else is idiotic bringing up that school massacre to score a point !

It is not good to bring school massacre as a point at all ! But suicides everyday are happening in Pakistan which only one of them occur in Iran in a year .

 

[SipahSalar]

You tell me which is an easier target? A nuclear engineer driving on street or a naval base: PNS Mehran attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You tell me which is an easier target? An electrical engineer driving on street or your GHQ: Operation Janbaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You lost a General officer rank inside the nerve center of military. A target can not get any harder than this.

The assets of a country are the children. At least that is the view in Iran. Grown up men are there to protect those kids and lay down their lives for them. Be they scientist or not. It might be the other way around in Pakistan. I don't know.

Alright, lets do this.

One Brigadier was killed in the GHQ attack. What did that do to us? Nothing, one soldier dies, another steps in to replace him. Our army is full of 1-star officers. They are not a HVT.

Nuclear Scientists are very HVT. You simply can't replace them, especially not Iran. Stuxnet and murder of your scientists set back Iran's nuclear program by at least 6 to 7 years. That's why Iran opened up to talks, because they gave up. The setbacks were unbearable.

The two Orion aircraft were replaced within 6 months. Again, not as big a loss as losing your nuclear program.

As for children are assets, I'm sure they are very big assets to Iran. They after all killed 90,000 of them as child soldiers. Doing pathetic things as mine-clearing. Who uses children for mine clearing? I'm sure Iran, which considers its children's "assets". Good job iran.

 

[TurAr]

Some of the Iranians in this forum would use anything to cover up their own misery and failures. Even deceased children.

You tell me which is an easier target? A nuclear engineer driving on street or a naval base: PNS Mehran attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You tell me which is an easier target? An electrical engineer driving on street or your GHQ: Operation Janbaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Not assigning escorts to such high profile individuals is your own incompetence while, unless there was a direct threat, there is no reason to expect such attacks to children.

 

[IRAN 1802]

Alright, lets do this.

One Brigadier was killed in the GHQ attack. What did that do to us? Nothing, one soldier dies, another steps in to replace him. Our army is full of 1-star officers. They are not a HVT.

Nuclear Scientists are very HVT. You simply can't replace them, especially not Iran. Stuxnet and murder of your scientists set back Iran's nuclear program by at least 6 to 7 years. That's why Iran opened up to talks, because they gave up. The setbacks were unbearable.

The two Orion aircraft were replaced within 6 months. Again, not as big a loss as losing your nuclear program.

As for children are assets, I'm sure they are very big assets to Iran. They after all killed 90,000 of them as child soldiers. Doing pathetic things as mine-clearing. Who uses children for mine clearing? I'm sure Iran, which considers its children's "assets". Good job iran.

5 of our scientists killed by suicide attacks in 5 years. Everyday suicude attacks are occuring in Paksitan, we can't even compare them.

 

[Daneshmand]

Alright, lets do this.

One Brigadier was killed in the GHQ attack. What did that do to us? Nothing, one soldier dies, another steps in to replace him. Our army is full of 1-star officers. They are not a HVT.

Nuclear Scientists are very HVT. You simply can't replace them, especially not Iran. Stuxnet and murder of your scientists set back Iran's nuclear program by at least 6 to 7 years. That's why Iran opened up to talks, because they gave up. The setbacks were unbearable.

The two Orion aircraft were replaced within 6 months. Again, not as big a loss as losing your nuclear program.

As for children are assets, I'm sure they are very big assets to Iran. They after all killed 90,000 of them as child soldiers. Doing pathetic things as mine-clearing using. Who uses children for mine clearing? I'm sure Iran, which considers its children's "assets". Good job iran.

Your argument is not taking you anywhere.

One of the top surgeons of Pakistan was killed by the zombies in one of those attacks. Excuse me if I do not know his rank or his name. Every one can be replaced. It is not like Einstein was killed. They were not irreplaceable. The program continues, as you well know. And Iran did arrest people and hanged them for those crimes as well as stopped the killing. What about Pakistan?

What do you mean, specially not Iran? Dude, you are mistaken. Iran has invested heavily in education. Unlike Pakistan. The program was not set back at all. You do not know what you are talking about. The program actually became bigger. When killings happened, Iran had only a couple of thousand centrifuges. Now it has couple of ten thousands. You should not lie to prove your argument. It is so damn cheap.

Oh, the aircrafts were replaced? You mean US donated two more. Good for you.

When you are able to protect your country where near to 90,000 people have been killed in the past 8 years at the hand of zombies, then come and talk about Iran's security. Lying and pulling figures out of thin air, will not get you anywhere. We all know what is the situation inside Pakistan and how is the situation in Iran. There is no need for you to lie here in order to save face. Because there is no face left.

Iran's assets going to "school"
For Iran's child soldiers, capture by the Iraqis is a mixed blessing - CSMonitor.com

They defended their country against a foreign invader. Proudly. Not an inch of nation was lost. Unlike Pakistan which lost Kashmir and East Pakistan. Unlike Pakistan where kids are killed by own people who have political differences with central government.

Not assigning escorts to such high profile individuals is your own incompetence while, unless there was a direct threat, there is no reason to expect such attacks to children.

Coming from a nation that does not even have a uranium enrichment program. So rich. Really.

 

[SipahSalar]

Disclaimer: No one should interpret from my posts that I have anything against Iran. I love Irani culture and Leila Hatami

Your argument is not taking you anywhere.

One of the top surgeons of Pakistan was killed by the zombies in one of those attacks. Excuse me if I do not know his rank or his name. Every one can be replaced. It is not like Einstein was killed. They were not irreplaceable. The program continues, as you well know. And Iran did arrest people and hanged them for those crimes as well as stopped the killing. What about Pakistan?

What do you mean, specially not Iran? Dude, you are mistaken. Iran has invested heavily in education. Unlike Pakistan. The program was not set back at all. You do not know what you are talking about. The program actually became bigger. When killings happened, Iran had only a couple of thousand centrifuges. Now it has couple of ten thousands. You should not lie to prove your argument. It is so damn cheap.

Oh, the aircrafts were replaced? You mean US donated two more. Good for you.

When you are able to protect your country where near to 90,000 people have been killed in the past 8 years at the hand of zombies, then come and talk about Iran's security. Lying and pulling figures out of thin air, will not get you anywhere. We all know what is the situation inside Pakistan and how is the situation in Iran. There is no need for you to lie here in order to save face. Because there is no face left.



They defended their country against a foreign invader. Proudly. Not an inch of nation was lost. Unlike Pakistan which lost Kashmir and East Pakistan. Unlike Pakistan where kids are killed by own people who have political differences with central government.



Coming from a nation that does not even have a uranium enrichment program. So rich. Really.

I am not pulling figures out of air, you are. 20,000 civilians have been killed since WOT, not 90,000. And not only that, you are switching topics. Yeah sure, those 12 year olds gave their lives proudly since all the men were hiding behind them.
I wonder how they were brainwashed before being sent in human waves into a minefield? Were they given the same brainwashing that taliban give to child suicide bombers? Iran must have run out of men that they sent 12 year old kids to fight for them!

Coming from a nation that does not even have a uranium enrichment program. So rich. Really.

Please tell us how many bombs Iran's uranium enrichment program has manufactured?