Four forces colliding in the Middle East

[IR1907]

Qatar was the MB main power base, before it was Egypt before the coup, and MB was spreading itself in Egypt, Syria, Libya, Qatar, Sudan and Tunisia.

Saudi Arabia managed to completely destroy the MB in all of these countries, only pockets of them remain in Libya and Syria. All these other countries however are no pro-Saudi arabia. Saudi Arabia managed to consolidate temendous power while iran and the world were too busy in Syria and Iraq.

Even Lebanon is realizing that the balance of power shifted heavily to the Saudi side and is allying with Saudi arabia and ditching Iran, Iraqi president made 3 visits in two months to Saudi arabia, clearly pondering ditching Iran for Saudi arabia. Sidani president came to Saudi arabia last month, and at the same time ditched all Iranian ties.

The entire world has gotten tunnel vision including Iranian leadership it seems, while saudi arabia was busy consolidating power.

Iraq is a Arab country but it will remain close to Iran due to Shi'ism. A visit here and there wont change any reality. If i was Saudi i would worry about ISIS, i heard they consider the Saudi kingdom as ''taghout''.

Status quo between Iran and Saudi will remain for a long time like this unless some something big happens (positive) which i doubt. Hatred between us.... literally kills people in the region.

 

[TurAr]

Iran has alot of potential, even with all the sanctions we have achieved countless stuff.

What did you achive?

Dont worry, Erdogan will take Turkey to the shithole in the coming years

You mean make an Iran out of Turkey? Nah...

 

[IR1907]

What did you achive?



You mean make an Iran out of Turkey? Nah...

If you turn into Iran meaning you would kick out your American and Israeli (and newly found ISIS) partners which will be very good. Step in the right direction towards being fully independent and produce your hardware domestically.

Anyway, why you think my comments are against Turkish people ?

 

[Gufi]

Wahabis

do not go to these things unless u want debates which are not right for this place and the way it was said was insulting.
Mods need to clean this thread a bit

 

[KingWest]

Why cant you just discuss the content of the article without insulting each other? What we now witness on this forum is the answer to the question "why cant they have peace in the middle-east?"

 

[mike2000]

Iraq is a Arab country but it will remain close to Iran due to Shi'ism. A visit here and there wont change any reality. If i was Saudi i would worry about ISIS, i heard they consider the Saudi kingdom as ''taghout''.

Status quo between Iran and Saudi will remain for a long time like this unless some something big happens (positive) which i doubt. Hatred between us.... literally kills people in the region.

Lool you are trying to make peace between shia powerhouse and Sunnis Wahhabi powerhouse bro? Though well meaning.... I can only say good luck to that my man.

 

[IR1907]

Lool you are trying to make peace between shia powerhouse and Sunnis Wahhabi powerhouse bro? Though well meaning.... I can only say good luck to that my man.

Islamic Republic of Iran always encouraged peace with Saudi. But they have other agenda.. it seems.

 

[Mosamania]

Iraq is a Arab country but it will remain close to Iran due to Shi'ism. A visit here and there wont change any reality. If i was Saudi i would worry about ISIS, i heard they consider the Saudi kingdom as ''taghout''.

Status quo between Iran and Saudi will remain for a long time like this unless some something big happens (positive) which i doubt. Hatred between us.... literally kills people in the region.

There is no hatred, only contradictory interests.

Islamic Republic of Iran always encouraged peace with Saudi. But they have other agenda.. it seems.

No Iran doesn't and have never encouraged peace, Saudi arabia tried the peace route with Rafsanjani but it quickly fell out with ahmdenijad. There is no other agenda. Both Iran and Saudi arabia are set to control the region politically, and they both seek to undermine each other at evey turn. Religion is only a facet of it.

 

[TurAr]

If you turn into Iran meaning you would kick out your American and Israeli (and newly found ISIS) partners which will be very good. Step in the right direction towards being fully independent and produce your hardware domestically.

Anyway, why you think my comments are against Turkish people ?

Turning into Iran means being a totalitarian and theocratic regime runned by religious dogmas and propaganda with no respect to human rights. Which means mistaking isolation with full independence. Which means making subjects out of citizens.

Before wasting money on "domestic hardwares" such as 6th gen stealth fighter Qaher, Iran should prevent deaths caused by lack of medication first.

 

[IR1907]

There is no hatred, only contradictory interests.

There is hatred... to some extent. But hatred can be diffused if both parties work together in some areas. It wont atleast add more tensions.

Hatred that i talk about is really mututal, it is politically, religiously and ethnic.

@al-Hasani can confirm this as a Saudi.

No Iran doesn't and have never encouraged peace, Saudi arabia tried the peace route with Rafsanjani but it quickly fell out with ahmdenijad. There is no other agenda. Both Iran and Saudi arabia are set to control the region politically, and they both seek to undermine each other at evey turn. Religion is only a facet of it.

Rafsanjani belongs to the same system, to the same ideology, is a shia cleric, works for interests of Iran so it is not about a person.What took Iran with Saudi apart was not Ahmadinejad but the newly found Saudi agenda it developed from 2005 onwards.

Ahmadinejad and Abdullah of Saudi meeting :

Turning into Iran means being a totalitarian and theocratic regime runned by religious dogmas and propaganda with no respect to human rights. Which means mistaking isolation with full independence. Which means making subjects out of citizens.

Before wasting money on "domestic hardwares" such as 6th gen stealth fighter Qaher, Iran should prevent deaths caused by lack of medication first.

I cant discuss with a donkey whos head is filled with total western propaganda. Sorry, continue to appease the purge of your entire country by Erdogan and his ISIS alike dream.

 

[TurAr]

I cant discuss with a donkey whos head is filled with total western propaganda. Sorry, continue to appease the purge of your entire country by Erdogan and his ISIS alike dream.

Leash your inner gypsy and open your eyes. You are living in misery. You are a wasted potential...

 

[xenon54 out]

Turning into Iran means being a totalitarian and theocratic regime runned by religious dogmas and propaganda with no respect to human rights. Which means mistaking isolation with full independence. Which means making subjects out of citizens.

Before wasting money on "domestic hardwares" such as 6th gen stealth fighter Qaher, Iran should prevent deaths caused by lack of medication first.

I cant discuss with a donkey whos head is filled with total western propaganda. Sorry, continue to appease the purge of your entire country by Erdogan and his ISIS alike dream.

Guys i consider you as rational thinking Iranians and would appreciate your input about this, is it all western propaganda? @Abii @New @Militant Atheist

 

[IR1907]

Leash your inner gypsy and open your eyes. You are living in misery. You are a wasted potential...

Says the nomad mongol from steppes of Mongolia ... you should learn to behave and speak with respect.
Thanks, last time i checked we Iranians are doing fine. Dont you have some internal issues yourself ? Like being beaten up by Erdogoons fascist forces for demanding a more just Turkey ?

Guys i consider you as rational thinking Iranians and would appreciate your input about this, is it all western propaganda? @Abii @New @Militant Atheist

Those you mentioned are people who live outside the country. They are not a real good source for how the Iranians inside Iran think.

 

[xenon54 out]

Those you mentioned are people who live outside the country. They are not a real good source for how the Iranians inside Iran think.

Its not like they never saw their own country, New is living in Iran if im not wrong.

 

[IR1907]

Its not like they never saw their own country, New is living in Iran if im not wrong.

What is your point you are trying to make ? Do i judge millions of Turks based on a guy like Turar ? He might be a asshole but i know there are Turks who think and act differently.

Same as Iran, we have 80 millions people, not everyone thinks the same. It depends on who you ask. But when it comes to the fundemental issues like our foreign policy majority of us think the same.