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lol i dont know why even people bother trying to convince the indians without official proof

Tell that to Mr. Munshi....400 dead is a huge loss for any security force (its slightly less than our Kargil conflict loss) and its not easy to hide such a huge number of causalities from the press in India.
 
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So all you have is one article by some DG, which is not even validated by your own Govt.

@ "Sob kichu ki khula khuli bola jai ".

@ " Buk phate to muk phatena ". India is a big country how can we claim that our BDR troops had killed 400 BSF. Infact the BSF came in bulk in order to capture our disputed BOP but the local people misguided them and the BDR started firing at random from the side. More so, at that time AL was in power. So, the causulty was much much more.
 
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@ "Sob kichu ki khula khuli bola jai ".

@ " Buk phate to muk phatena ". India is a big country how can we claim that our BDR troops had killed 400 BSF. Infact the BSF came in bulk in order to capture our disputed BOP but the local people misguided them and the BDR started firing at random from the side. More so, at that time AL was in power. So, the causulty was much much more.

Vietnam is a small country, even then they killed 15,000 PLA soldiers 1979 and openly claimed it.This means that BD does not have the guts...but then again you are free to live in your conspiracy world.
 
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if bdr killed 400 india would have used it`s airforce on us, i don`t believe the number to be that, from what I have heard it was around 30-60. But it was certainly over the official limit, be sure of that.
 
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if bdr killed 400 india would have used it`s airforce on us, i don`t believe the number to be that, from what I have heard it was around 30-60. But it was certainly over the official limit, be sure of that.

Jackpot! It's around 60 +-5
according to military personels ,
certainly not 16(official claim) nor 400.

This number has been verified even by
the locals over there, although AL paid
a big price for this misadventure.
 
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if bdr killed 400 india would have used it`s airforce on us, i don`t believe the number to be that, from what I have heard it was around 30-60. But it was certainly over the official limit, be sure of that.
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members here can gloat as much as they like but the truth is no one knows the true numbers.
And people do know who were in power in India at that time,and with such high number of kills as claimed what retaliation would have been on offer.
 
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I see some Indians here talking like they don't care about life and are taking this "International Border" thing too seriously.

We should hope for a border that doesn't require a BSF ideally. However, given the state of affairs today, borders had to be maintained. But then, crossing international border is NO crime against Humanity or an act of aggression. It's sad to see some people condoning the alleged unprofessional conduct of the security personnel. The poor man was only trying to earn a living however illegal it is. The BSF should have behaved Humanely.

A poor person stealing food is neither a crime nor a moral failure.
 
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The Hindu : Opinion / Editorial : Brutality on the border

New Delhi needs to make an unreserved apology to Bangladesh for the brutal conduct of its Border Security Force personnel who were seen in a recent video torturing a Bangladeshi man. Not surprisingly, the telltale video has caused widespread outrage in Bangladesh. A remark by Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee that the incident must not be hyped, echoed by a Bangladeshi Minister, seems only to have provoked more anger and fuelled opposition allegations against the Sheikh Hasina government for being “pro-India”. With the Bangladesh Army claiming the other day that it averted a coup against the government by an “anti-India” section of officers, New Delhi needs to guard against becoming an unwitting cause for political instability in its eastern neighbour. Anti-India sentiment has been high in Bangladesh since the killing of three of its nationals by the BSF in two separate incidents on the border last month. A March 2011 agreement between the two countries not to use firearms in dealing with illegal activities on the border has brought down the number of such incidents, but the video is evidence that the guards feel free to use other forms of violence. It underlines the fact that such bilateral agreements on the management of their complex boundary are worth nothing unless accompanied by a change in the mindset of those responsible for it on the ground.

The distressing 11.56 minute footage, circulated through YouTube, is quite evidently a trophy video, the guards happy to pose as they strip their victim, tie his hands and feet, and beat him mercilessly while discussing among themselves other severe options of dealing with him. The man was a suspected rustler — the border is notorious for cattle smuggling — and it has been alleged by rights activists in Bangladesh that the guards were punishing him for not paying them a bribe. The guards appear to have such an entrenched sense of impunity that the thought of being found out and punished does not seem to cross their minds as they participate in the abuse. The BSF has suspended the eight guards involved in the distressing episode and ordered an investigation. While it may be convenient for the paramilitary to treat this as an isolated incident of “rogue” personnel, the enquiry needs to focus on the overall climate of impunity that makes such incidents possible. The BSF must also reflect if there is something missing in the training of its recruits that some of them are capable of such brutality. This is important because their conduct not only brings disrepute to the organisation but also risks jeopardising India's relations with an important neighbour.
 
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Jackpot! It's around 60 +-5
according to military personels ,
certainly not 16(official claim) nor 400.

This number has been verified even by
the locals over there, although AL paid
a big price for this misadventure.

No particular value can be claimed for the above assertion. Same as the 400 figure. It can pretty much be guaranteed that if the figures were anywhere in the region stated by you (60-400), retaliation would have been guaranteed. No sense in non-retaliation if casualties were of that scale. It would also then (by scale)have to be an operation ordered by the top rather than local commanders overstepping their brief. Not convinced by the numbers presented. Logic would also dictate that BD casualties would have been high in the event of such a large scale attack. Unless you believe that killing armed Indian paramilitary/military personnel is child's play. A small number can be explained but a large force would conceivably be able to regroup & it would then be a question of superior firepower. Only the absolutely cussed would argue that Indian forces would not be able to bring in additional firepower in the event of a major skirmish.
 
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The Hindu : Opinion / Editorial : Brutality on the border

New Delhi needs to make an unreserved apology to Bangladesh for the brutal conduct of its Border Security Force personnel who were seen in a recent video torturing a Bangladeshi man. Not surprisingly, the telltale video has caused widespread outrage in Bangladesh. A remark by Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee that the incident must not be hyped, echoed by a Bangladeshi Minister, seems only to have provoked more anger and fuelled opposition allegations against the Sheikh Hasina government for being “pro-India”. With the Bangladesh Army claiming the other day that it averted a coup against the government by an “anti-India” section of officers, New Delhi needs to guard against becoming an unwitting cause for political instability in its eastern neighbour. Anti-India sentiment has been high in Bangladesh since the killing of three of its nationals by the BSF in two separate incidents on the border last month. A March 2011 agreement between the two countries not to use firearms in dealing with illegal activities on the border has brought down the number of such incidents, but the video is evidence that the guards feel free to use other forms of violence. It underlines the fact that such bilateral agreements on the management of their complex boundary are worth nothing unless accompanied by a change in the mindset of those responsible for it on the ground.

The distressing 11.56 minute footage, circulated through YouTube, is quite evidently a trophy video, the guards happy to pose as they strip their victim, tie his hands and feet, and beat him mercilessly while discussing among themselves other severe options of dealing with him. The man was a suspected rustler — the border is notorious for cattle smuggling — and it has been alleged by rights activists in Bangladesh that the guards were punishing him for not paying them a bribe. The guards appear to have such an entrenched sense of impunity that the thought of being found out and punished does not seem to cross their minds as they participate in the abuse. The BSF has suspended the eight guards involved in the distressing episode and ordered an investigation. While it may be convenient for the paramilitary to treat this as an isolated incident of “rogue” personnel, the enquiry needs to focus on the overall climate of impunity that makes such incidents possible. The BSF must also reflect if there is something missing in the training of its recruits that some of them are capable of such brutality. This is important because their conduct not only brings disrepute to the organisation but also risks jeopardising India's relations with an important neighbour.

I'm in full agreement with the above.
 
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I see some Indians here talking like they don't care about life and are taking this "International Border" thing too seriously.

We should hope for a border that doesn't require a BSF ideally. However, given the state of affairs today, borders had to be maintained. But then, crossing international border is NO crime against Humanity or an act of aggression. It's sad to see some people condoning the alleged unprofessional conduct of the security personnel. The poor man was only trying to earn a living however illegal it is. The BSF should have behaved Humanely.

A poor person stealing food is neither a crime nor a moral failure.

OK...next time someone from the outside blasts a bomb in your neighbourhood, don't blame BSF or IA , or better lets disband our security forces altogether as according to you "crossing international border is NO crime against Humanity or an act of aggression". Wake up and smell the coffee dude. The world is made up of borders big and small which has to be respected.
 
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Jackpot! It's around 60 +-5
according to military personels ,
certainly not 16(official claim) nor 400.

This number has been verified even by
the locals over there, although AL paid
a big price for this misadventure.

Its neither 60 or 400..its 16, now move on.
 
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Its neither 60 or 400..its 16, now move on.

I don't care dude, BSF did a bad thing
intruding our territory and the outcome was normal.

16 or 60 or 400, from our side there were 4 casualities,
certainly brave son of this soil.
 
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I don't care dude, BSF did a bad thing
intruding our territory and the outcome was normal.

16 or 60 or 400, from our side there were 4 casualities,
certainly brave son of this soil.

So what should be done to those who intrude into our territory? I am not about numbers, what should be done to them?
 
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So what should be done to those who intrude into our territory? I am not about numbers, what should be done to them?

If military personals, Retaliated,
if civil adventurers, follow protocols
arrest and hand them over , like we do.
 
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