Viper0011.
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Then we should ban base on caliber, not appearance.
The Mossberg MVP Patrol, the Ruger Mini 14, and the AR-15 have the same caliber of 5.56. The Mossberg is bolt action and will require more effort to operate. The Ruger Mini 14 is semi-auto and essentially is the same as the AR-15 without all the 'scary' appliances. You can look them up. The Ruger is less expensive and has the same rate of fire as the AR-15: as quick as your index finger can pull the trigger.
Ban the rifle of any caliber and operation. Ban the shotgun as well. Might as well repeal the 2nd Amendment while we are at it. Why not ? We Constitutionally banned alcohol for a few yrs.
I think that's a good point NATO rounds / caliber should be banned so no AR-15's, etc and none of the weapons with long magazines should be in place. If I am going to shoot on a range or hunt, I can take my sweet time to reload my AR or whatever heavy bore / caliber rifle I am using and can fire as many shots as I want to, as its all considered "recreational" activities!! I know Ruger mini 14 well Gambit. I told you in my post, I used to think just like you, till yesterday!!
Think about it, Shot Gun...or a Pistol with a standard 10-12 bullet magazine. In a scenario like Orlando, the person will soon be out of ammo inside the gun and the loading process isn't instantaneous compared to if one was using an AR or Ruger with a longer magazine. Loading a shot gun takes a few second. So its enough time that people or police will over come you. The "collateral damage" (SADLY in this case innocents) will not be as high as this was.
Plus, the system needs more and better checks. I bought a gun in Florida last year, not too far from this place in discussion. They said there is a standard wait period in the State of Florida for 6 days that's a state law. The idea is, if some crazy person is high on crazy emotions and if he or she wants to go kill someone in anger, the 6 day period allows them to cool off. Now, let's say this fu**ing bast*ard went and bought two guns, I think there should've been a reporting process on AR-15 where the shop asked for an extended background check from the FBI. We all now know he had been interviewed by them. The purchase of two guns, should've been delayed by issuing a small one first (enough for self defense as that is the primary purpose of us having weapons to begin with). And the second gun would be released 2-3 weeks later, after the FBI again vetted him through the process and probably refused a gun to him once they found out that the guy was a nutt case and un-diagnosed bi-polar maniac like his ex-wife explains.
Sad to say, many countries follow this strict processes. I was researching last night to see how different we are from the rest of the world. And I came across many different laws across the globe where the process is MUCH stricter.
Second amendment doesn't need to be repealed or changed. The process has to be modified. In fact, remember, when that SAME second amendment was being designed.......they didn't have stuff like AR-15 and AK-47!!!!! If they did, and they say the legality of it, I am more than positive that they would put a "(weapons not included combat caliber automatic or semi-automatics articles)" next to the amendment!!
I have commented on this. There are clinically legitimate reasons for violence, whether that violence is small and local or large and wide scope. There is depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, and assorted mental health issues. If someone let his emotion get the better of him, we can chalk that off as character flaw, as in lack of self control. Then there is race, nationalism, and religion..
I agree with everything you said above. There are many medical reasons for all this. But to save our fellow citizens, we need stricter processes in place to vet out the crazies from getting these assault weapons. And, if "somehow" someone gets it, we need a reporting process and an investigation by the FBI, before the possession of the weapon is given to someone (specially in this case, when someone has been interviewed by the FBI) and his dad on his tv shows, was a sympathizer of Talibans!! Go figure!! People who worked with him, said that they sort of knew he'd be involved with violence one day!!