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I would like to see greater Chinese military cooperation with Bangladesh with may be a naval base in Chittagong and may be a US base in St Martins. This should help keep out the Indians from Bangladesh and make South Asia a peaceful place.

Bro. why the hell would you want a country that refuses to sell us military hardwares such as f-16,etc to set up a military base in the only coral island of bangladesh. Furthermore, i think it will piss off the chinese, who is battling for dominance against the US.
 
Bro. why the hell would you want a country that refuses to sell us military hardwares such as f-16,etc to set up a military base in the only coral island of bangladesh. Furthermore, i think it will piss off the chinese, who is battling for dominance against the US.

Better to keep the US amused rather than make it an enemy. Even in its present weakened state it can cause havoc and for now China cannot oppose the US either.

Also it will annoy the Indians no end.
 
Bro. why the hell would you want a country that refuses to sell us military hardwares such as f-16,etc to set up a military base in the only coral island of bangladesh. Furthermore, i think it will piss off the chinese, who is battling for dominance against the US.

US refusal to sell F-16s was a long time ago, sometime during the 80s. Besides, we do currently operate C-130s, Tweets, and Bell helicopters. We also get training from the US and do joint exercises with the USN.

But yeah, a US base in Bangladesh would speak volumes :P Not to mention the limited infrastructure we have to support them.
 
Better to keep the US amused rather than make it an enemy. Even in its present weakened state it can cause havoc and for now China cannot oppose the US either.

Also it will annoy the Indians no end.

They aint our enemy bro, neither are they our friend. There is no need for the us to build a base at saint martin just to annoy the indians, it aint worth it. China cannot oppose the US but they surely can choke us if support the US.
 
MBI Munshi is right. It is better to keep the US amused that give a base that will eventually give an avenue to compromise sovereignty.

India would not be displeased and such a move will not upset India. In fact, India would be delighted. The US naval presence would ensure that the Bay of Bengal is sanitised of foreign influences and Indian sovereignty is not compromised as the naval base is not on Indian territory!

The Chinese would be mighty unhappy.
 
do not talk sense. Every single indian support israel against palestine in pdf.

India was the first non-Arab country to contemporaneously recognize the Palestine Liberation Organization's authority as "the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people." A PLO office was set up in the Indian capital in 1975, with full diplomatic relations established in March 1980. In return, India opened a Representative Office in Gaza on June 25, 1996. Indian support was said to extend to "consistent and unwavering support" on the Palestinian issue, where it shared the perception that the question of Palestine is at the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict. India has thus consistently supported the legitimate right of the Palestinian people to a State and the consequent imperative need for a just, comprehensive and lasting peace in the region based on United Nations Security Council resolution 242, 338 and 425, as well as the principle of "Land for Peace." India has also supported the Madrid Conference of October, 1991.

In short before Bangladesh the Indians recognize Palestine.

it is offtopic but reality. I have never seen any atrocity against minorities . Pakistan did that and paid. I know you gonna show me some reports against jamatis in 2001 now. thats all awami propaganda.

How about attrocities against hindus in Bangladesh?
How about attrocities against Ahmediya's in Bangladesh?

Human rights in Bangladesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
10 hurt in attack on Ahmadiyyas
Concern over atrocities by religious fanatics - The Daily Star, Bangladesh

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MBI Munshi is right. It is better to keep the US amused that give a base that will eventually give an avenue to compromise sovereignty.

India would not be displeased and such a move will not upset India. In fact, India would be delighted. The US naval presence would ensure that the Bay of Bengal is sanitised of foreign influences and Indian sovereignty is not compromised as the naval base is not on Indian territory!

The Chinese would be mighty unhappy.

Then why did India oppose the signing of a SOFA between Bangladesh and the US in the late 90's and which the Chinese showed no interest. Some people here really do not know what they are talking about and have no knowledge of recent history.
 
Then why did India oppose the signing of a SOFA between Bangladesh and the US in the late 90's and which the Chinese showed no interest. Some people here really do not know what they are talking about and have no knowledge of recent history.

a source would be nice. and no, your book or articles dont count
 
a source would be nice. and no, your book or articles dont count

Try memory. We are talking about 15 years ago. I clearly remember that the then BJP government was strongly against Bangladesh signing a SOFA with the US.
 
Then why did India oppose the signing of a SOFA between Bangladesh and the US in the late 90's and which the Chinese showed no interest. Some people here really do not know what they are talking about and have no knowledge of recent history.

Could you amplify what exactly bothers you about this SOFA of yours?

It is good of you to feel that you alone know what is being talked about.

Totally charming!
 
a source would be nice. and no, your book or articles dont count

Here's something interesting:
STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT (SOFA): STRATEGIC CONCERNS OF BANGLADESH

Alok Kumar Gupta
Research Scholar, Jawaharlal Nehru University

The post-cold war strategic considerations have witnessed a renewed interest by the United States in the South Asian region, an area that is being accorded an even greater importance since its nuclearization. The Status of Force Agreement (SOFA), was proposed by the American diplomat Bill Richardson in early 1998, and was later reiterated during the visit of the American Army Chief to Bangladesh.
As far as American interests are concerned, the Agreement seeks to facilitate the following:
· Unhindered entry of U.S. troops during times of emergency.
· Exemption of military personnel from visa or passport formalities.
· Unrestricted entry of equipment and supplies, without being subject to custom formalities.
· Provides a framework for the movement of U.S. personnel and supplies into a host nation for exercise.
· Specifies a particular legal code to be applied in case of damage inflicted to the host nation by U.S. military personnel during an exercise.
The Agreement as envisaged would not provide similar facilities to Bangladesh defence personnel who would be sent to the U.S. for training and related purposes, according to Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
The proposed agreement has generated great concern amongst different sections of the intelligentsia and media being subject to nation-wide deliberations. The pro-liberation forces and the Left leaning parties have vehemently criticised the agreement as its acceptance would tantamount to a sell-out of national sovereignty. The anti-liberation forces in alliance with the fundamentalist groups have strongly supported the proposed agreement, justifying the military cooperation agreement as an essential security shield in the nuclearised sub-continent to pre-empt any nefarious Indian design, “even if it meant that one of the islands in the Bay of Bengal would have to be made a base for U.S.
The Sheikh Hasina government feels that apart from being a looser, the agreement would be detrimental to national interests as:
· The issue of granting unhindered entry is not only politically inexpedient but also requires a constitutional amendment.
· Being an active member of SAARC the country owes it to the region not to allow the entry of foreign forces “which may have profound and far reaching consequences”.
American military assistance to Bangladesh has steadily risen since the 1980’s. More than 300 Bangladesh military personnel have received training in the U.S. since then. There have been three major joint military exercises in the past 10 years. From 1982, a joint group comprising the Pacific command of the U.S. and the Bangladesh military has been in operation to coordinate various activities in the Indian Ocean Zone ranging from natural disasters to breach of peace and hostility in the region.
Operation Sea Angels was the code-name assigned to a temporary (year long) SOFA signed between the two countries under which 7,500 military personnel and civilians participated in rescue and relief operations when the 1991 cyclone swept through Bangladesh. U.S. also provided financial aid to the tune of $120mn as part of emergency relief. In July, 1999, the two countries concluded an MOU as a part of which 25 volunteers of the US peace corps would work towards improving the level of primary teaching in Bangladesh after receiving training on Bangladesh’s history, culture, language and educational system.
The two major international military activities in which Bangladesh troops have participated alongside U.S. troops are:
· The 1991 Gulf War in which Bangladesh contributed a force of 2,300military personnel.
· The 1994 Haiti mission in which a Bangladesh contingent participated.
American officials view the proposed SOFA as a logical extension of the MOUs so far concluded in order to determine the status of US troops during the conduct of joint exercises. The various areas the joint exercises cover are as follows:
o Combating the narcotic trade,
o Organising disaster relief,
o Conducting air and sea rescue operations,
o Building schools and other infrastructural facilities,
o Providing medical training and treatment, etc.
American authorities thus argue that SOFA was not conceived as a military pact and that it would not facilitate the establishment of U.S. military base in Bangladesh. They also claim that Bangladesh would be the looser for rejecting the accord as it was designed to help countries during times of natural disasters and such other instances and not to use the country as a base for stationing military troops and military deployments, as US already has a base in the Indian Ocean in Diego Garcia. America has SOFA agreement with 50 countries the world over of which four countries of Asia are signatories to the agreement.
Strategic analysts, however, argue that since the withdrawal of U.S. forces from the Clark and Subic Bay bases in the Philippines, Bangladesh may serve as a ‘half-way house’ for US forces in the region.
India has expressed serious concerns and unhappiness at the agreement construing it as a “threat impinging on India’s security and its environs” because of its serious geo-political implications. Never before has such a development taken place in the South Asian region even though Pakistan was once a member of SEATO and CENTO.
As for the present, the agreement has been kept in abeyance after considerable deliberation and discussion by the ruling Awami League government.

Source: Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA): Strategic Concerns of Bangladesh by Alok Kumar Gupta

The article is nearly 12 years old.

Other interesting reads:
The Hindu : News / The India Cables : Status of Forces Agreement, not so near
The Hindu : The India Cables / The Cables : 38759: MEA urges USG not to pursue status of forces agreement with India until ACSA agreement is concluded

Could you amplify what exactly bothers you about this SOFA of yours?

It is good of you to feel that you alone know what is being talked about.

Totally charming!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Ignoring everything else...you want to keep BD peaceful by giving a military port to both China and US .... this was epic Mr Munshi....Anyhow unfortunately for you the visit is on and relations are going to improve...
 
As far as American interests are concerned, the Agreement seeks to facilitate the following:
· Unhindered entry of U.S. troops during times of emergency.
· Exemption of military personnel from visa or passport formalities.
· Unrestricted entry of equipment and supplies, without being subject to custom formalities.
· Provides a framework for the movement of U.S. personnel and supplies into a host nation for exercise.
· Specifies a particular legal code to be applied in case of damage inflicted to the host nation by U.S. military personnel during an exercise.
The Agreement as envisaged would not provide similar facilities to Bangladesh defence personnel who would be sent to the U.S. for training and related purposes, according to Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

This indicates the operative issues.

Check it out with the issue of control of the US assistance. There lies the nub.
 
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