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Caste system is man made there was similar system in France and Uk with the Nobles, Kings, Peasents etc you dont know much about Hindusim i think you had madrasa wahabi education or your green media lies are coming out

you need to study your own cast system before blaming it on me. and oh thanks keep your personal attacks to yourself.

Its hinduism who distributed human into casts not me.

 

[Andross]

you need to study your own cast system before blaming it on me. and oh thanks keep your personal attacks to yourself.

Its hinduism who distributed human into casts not me.

Are you stupid? i just told you caste system is man made concept



the main philosophical subject matter of the Bhagavad Gita is the explanation of five basic concepts or

Ishvara (The Supreme Controller)
Jiva (Living beings/the individualized soul)
Prakrti (Nature/Matter)
Dharma (Duty in accordance with Divine law)
Kaala (Time)



Jana stop your Wahabi idealogy you have no clue on Hinduism

 

[justanobserver]

Why the fvck is Hindusim in this thread?

hundreds of converts Christians were killed in Orissa India by Hindus so tell me is Hinduism is that unforgiving ?


On the other hand Islam does not have ANY such decree about converts. NO punishment nothing.

They are running due to the prevailing culture not Islam

This forum is going to the dogs.

 

[madooxno9]

ok ... my arguments are lame but what are you and your people doing ????

we did not touch a person on the name of caste ...agreed and what you people do is right killing a person on the name of his religion !!!??

 

[metro]

you need to study your own cast system before blaming it on me. and oh thanks keep your personal attacks to yourself.

Its hinduism who distributed human into casts not me.

so ure not going to stop here, are u.
u need to be replied here.

can u show me a single verce in any of the authentic hindu sources that talks about caste system based on birth..??

do u know there is not a single verse in quran that adresses women in first person.
women are always addressed in third person as if they really dont mean anything to the god.

according to Islam sins are of two kinds: Sins committed against God, such as disbelieving in him, not worshipping him, escaping from the battlefield during Jihad, etc. and sins committed against fellow humans such as murder, theft, abuse, etc.

my question is about sins committed against God.
The Quran says that Allah will forgive all sins except the sin of associating partners to him. (4:48) This is unjust. First of all how can he forgive mass murderers who brought so much pain to countless people and not forgive one who simply thinks islam is a nutcase?

Justice dictates that punishment should be proportionate to the offence. It is not justice to torture a person for life for stealing an apple. Assuming that disbelief is a crime, which is absurd, why should such a trivial offence be punished in such a sever way? Why is Allah hurt so much if we do not worship him to the extent that he would heartlessly burn us in such a sadistic way for eternity? This punishment outweighs the crime infinitely. How can we call such a sadistic deity just?

 

[Andross]

This thread should be deleted calling hindus pagans WTF

 

[madooxno9]

^^^^^ agreed my friend

 

[Sinnerman108]

BULL SHI.T there is NO Such thing in Islam. You are ignorant to your core. please dont spread such lies about Islam.

Islam is very clear about if anyone wants to leave its folds he/she is free . after that he/she are no longer to be entitled as Muslims and also to any right or punishment according to Islamic laws.

They are called murtid and thats it.

there is NO single punishment in Quran for those who leaves Islam.

Jana,

At least you should have done your research before saying that ....

Narrated by 'Ikrima

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Source : http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_9_84.php

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58 :
Narrated by Abu Burda

Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

The other enlightened ones ...

These are words which can not be changed, and punishments which can not be changed.
No need to be defensive or explanatory.

This is the belief system, and this is the law.

 

[jbond197]

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so ure not going to stop here, are u.
u need to be replied here.

can u show me a single verce in any of the authentic hindu sources that talks about caste system based on birth..??

Lolzz verse what verse has to do with hinudism? secondly your own faith has divided human in casts and attributed work to them on basis of these casts not us.

do u know there is not a single verse in quran that adresses women in first person.
women are always addressed in third person as if they really dont mean anything to the god.

The subject of Quran is Human and Allah addresses Human as Human beings aka mankind covering all genders. wherever there is gender based address it says All Good women and all Good men, all bad women and all bad men.

so oh please spare me of your lack of knowledge.

according to Islam sins are of two kinds: Sins committed against God, such as disbelieving in him, not worshipping him, escaping from the battlefield during Jihad, etc. and sins committed against fellow humans such as murder, theft, abuse, etc.

my question is about sins committed against God.
The Quran says that Allah will forgive all sins except the sin of associating partners to him. (4:48) This is unjust. First of all how can he forgive mass murderers who brought so much pain to countless people and not forgive one who simply thinks islam is a nutcase?

Justice dictates that punishment should be proportionate to the offence. It is not justice to torture a person for life for stealing an apple. Assuming that disbelief is a crime, which is absurd, why should such a trivial offence be punished in such a sever way? Why is Allah hurt so much if we do not worship him to the extent that he would heartlessly burn us in such a sadistic way for eternity? This punishment outweighs the crime infinitely. How can we call such a sadistic deity just?

You are either very confused or deliberately trying to pose like one.

all those Sins against God or to say sin of making partners to Him will be punished by Him (the God, Allah) in hereafter after death of the criminal NOT in this world.

 

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Jana,

At least you should have done your research before saying that ....

Narrated by 'Ikrima



Source : http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_9_84.php



The other enlightened ones ...

These are words which can not be changed, and punishments which can not be changed.
No need to be defensive or explanatory.

This is the belief system, and this is the law.

You quoted the action of a man Abu Mudah (who is an ordinary man and NOT Prophet) and you are twisting this event by portraying as if Prophet (nauzubillah) did or said that.

Now please read again and May qahar of Allah be on you for your lies you are damaging Islam and true words of Allah.'

read this bellow which you posted. and tell me who the hell is this Abu Maaud to decide the death punishment

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Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

 

[Andross]

Lolzz verse what verse has to do with hinudism? secondly your own faith has divided human in casts and attributed work to them on basis of these casts not us.







The subject of Quran is Human and Allah addresses Human as Human beings aka mankind covering all genders. wherever there is gender based address it says All Good women and all Good men, all bad women and all bad men.

so oh please spare me of your lack of knowledge.





You are either very confused or deliberately trying to pose like one.

all those Sins against God or to say sin of making partners to Him will be punished by Him (the God, Allah) in hereafter after death of the criminal NOT in this world.

Are you saying there is no caste system in Pakistan with muslims?? or did the Quran not say:

O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others nations (for My Message).[Qur'an, sura 2:122]


So Allah did favours and prefers one nation over others this is caste system to the extreme

 

[metro]

Lolzz verse what verse has to do with hinudism? secondly your own faith has divided human in casts and attributed work to them on basis of these casts not us.

i asked u to show me a single authentic Hindu text that talks about caste ism based on birth.
instead of giving me the source ure passing more rants.
i fear, mere rants wont do with me.

The subject of Quran is Human and Allah addresses Human as Human beings aka mankind covering all genders. wherever there is gender based address it says All Good women and all Good men, all bad women and all bad men.

so oh please spare me of your lack of knowledge.

i said, there is not a single verse in quran where women are addressed in first person.
quran contains several verces that addresses men in first person, but there is not a single verse that addresses women in first person.
u think im making it all up.?
prove me wrong.
plz try.

You are either very confused or deliberately trying to pose like one.

all those Sins against God or to say sin of making partners to Him will be punished by Him (the God, Allah) in hereafter after death of the criminal NOT in this world.

madam, i gave u the exact verse(4:48) that explicitly says that all sins would be forgiven except the sin of shirk or associating gods with Allah , or to put in simple language, quran says those who believe in some other god other than allah are to be killed.

Why would one who owns this magnificent universe care if a bunch of evolved apes in this tiny plant worship him or not?

Can we really hurt the feelings of the maker of this vast universe by simply disbelieving in him?
There are many holes in the concept of god as defined by in Islam.

 

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Are you saying there is no caste system in Pakistan with muslims?? or did the Quran not say:

O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others nations (for My Message).[Qur'an, sura 2:122]


So Allah did favours and prefers one nation over others this is caste system to the extreme

now you guys are coming up with some ignorant misconception based on your claims.

Jews, Christians, Muslims are different nations whats there on cast here ?

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[Andross]

now you guys are coming up with some ignorant misconception based on your claims.

Jews, Christians, Muslims are different nations whats there on cast here ?

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Ive made my point