FATA Situation

[Imran Khan]

bla is daid animal but raw and kbg work for start again fight in pak like 70s

 

[KTX1980]

Things like that are nothing what have been witnessed in Pakistan for the last 25 years.

The plans to disintegrate Pakistan will fail as always!

Rest Assured!

Like they failed in 1948, when u failed to secure kashmir?
Like in 1971, when u lost banglades?
Like in 1986, when u lost siashen?

You sound funny

 

[F.O.X]

Like they failed in 1948, when u failed to secure kashmir?
Like in 1971, when u lost banglades?
Like in 1986, when u lost siashen?

You sound funny

GET LOST, we dont need people like you here.



Reards
Wilco

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Like they failed in 1948, when u failed to secure kashmir?
Like in 1971, when u lost banglades?
Like in 1986, when u lost siashen?

You sound funny

Try something Now..........


This is what i meant!

 

[F.O.X]

Like they failed in 1948, when u failed to secure kashmir?

WE being the smaller Army with no Equipments still captured Half of Kashmir when you Ran towards UN for a peacefull solution, YES YOU FAILD.

Like in 1971, when u lost banglades?

you helped them to librate & today they hate you more then they hate us, YES YOU LOST.

Like in 1986, when u lost siashen?

dats acctually funny, just explain it further so i can understand it batter.

Regards
Wilco

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Proud to be Pak,

You werent referring to weapons of Iranian origin in your first post, more the ethnic origin of the Shias in Kurram. But it doesn't matter, let's just say you were referring to weapons from Iran being supplied to Shias in Pakistan. It wouldn't surprise me if Iran is supplying them. I do think Iran believes it has a claim to Balochistan (adding it to Sistan-Balochistan), and the Frontier Province, particularly the Shia dominated areas. They're just living in past glories of the Persian Empire, no way are any of these Western Pakistani states going to join them without military force. Even historically these sites don't belong to them.

I said Iranian Weapons RR.

Not that Iran is Supplying them. The Shia Afghans on the other Side have the same supplied weapons ... No.

I need to Upload one footage from Parachinar ......... Its alarming how they have executed the Sunni people.. Thats why Army is pissed off in that Area!

 

[Karma]

WE being the smaller Army with no Equipments still captured Half of Kashmir when you Ran towards UN for a peacefull solution, YES YOU FAILD.

Is this your version of history? The world has a version which conflicts yours.

 

[F.O.X]

Is this your version of history? The world has a version which conflicts yours.

Is there any other version too?? then show me pls.



Regards
Wilco

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

WE being the smaller Army with no Equipments still captured Half of Kashmir when you Ran towards UN for a peacefull solution, YES YOU FAILD.

That is being very inadequate with the actualities.

One has to understand the role of Col Brown in the Northern Areas and the tribal invasion right upto Srinagar and the issue of the Poonchis before the Accession Instrument being signed.

The Maharaja's army could not face the hordes.

It was the Indian Army arriving in driblets that defeated these hordes and went on regaining lost territory till our very larger than life and ever keen to project himself as a great statesman, Nehru, went to the UN. He was of the opinion that he was greater than India. And so, a part of Kashmir remained with Pakistan.

If that is Nehru's legacy and gift to India, then so be it.

you helped them to librate & today they hate you more then they hate us, YES YOU LOST.

True we liberated them and if they hate us, what can we do?

They are entitled to their views and their interests.

But if doing good to people and helping people in need is defeat, then so be it!

dats acctually funny, just explain it further so i can understand it batter.

Yes, it is funny.

Siachen was always of India and India just occupied it. Obviously, Pakistan did not lose anything.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Siachen was always of India and India just occupied it. Obviously, Pakistan did not lose anything.

Siachen came into the picture in 1984 when Gen Chibber of the Indian army walked over into an area thinly-held by the Pakistan Army. Until then Pakistan exercised control over the glacier mainly for the issue of visas and transit permits to foreign mountaineers.

American, British, European & Japanese mountain climbers have always asked permission from the Pakistani Government to climb Siachen Glacier and its surrendering areas. American Tourist maps clearly show Siachen Glacier inside Pakistan.


About | All about the Siachen Glacier: the conflict, perspectives of India and Pakistan, geography, history and the possible resolutions

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Siachen came into the picture in 1984 when Gen Chibber of the Indian army walked over into an area thinly-held by the Pakistan Army. Until then Pakistan exercised control over the glacier mainly for the issue of visas and transit permits to foreign mountaineers.

American, British, European & Japanese mountain climbers have always asked permission from the Pakistani Government to climb Siachen Glacier and its surrendering areas. American Tourist maps clearly show Siachen Glacier inside Pakistan.


About | All about the Siachen Glacier: the conflict, perspectives of India and Pakistan, geography, history and the possible resolutions

Siachen was not held by Pakistan.

It was unoccupied.

I was there.

American maps are no authority.

America maybe a be all and end all as far as you are concerned, but the same awe we do not attribute for America. We stand on our own grounds.

There are maps which show Kashmir as India as also maps which endorse "Disputed".

Pakistan did issue visas or permits for mountaineering parties and that is why India occupied this vacant area to establish that it was not Pakistan's call.

In Kashmir, because of the issue of "Disputed", occupation is the stamp of acceptability.

It may not be the ideal way to solve a problem, but that is how the ground realities are!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I need to Upload one footage from Parachinar ......... Its alarming how they have executed the Sunni people.. Thats why Army is pissed off in that Area!

The point remains the same - if the Army is "pissed off" at the atrocities of one group, and therefore persecuting it at the behest of the other, then it does not have my support, and we should be ashamed of its actions. The Army's role is to keep the peace, not help one side settle scores.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

On Iranian weapons:

Dumps of Iranian, Russian & Chinese arms found in Herat​

Saturday September 08, 2007 (2115 PST)

HERAT CITY: A senior Interior Ministry official claimed four depots of arms manufactured by Iran, China and Russia had been discovered in Ghorian district of the western Herat province.

The arms dumps were located with the help of residents, Deputy Interior Minister Gen. Munir Mangal told a news conference here. However, he would not go into finer details of the weapons discovered - their types, dates of production or the time of smuggling into the province, bordering Iran.

A team had been constituted to ascertain the makes, models and manufacture dates of the arms, revealed the deputy minister, currently on an official visit to meet police units in the western zone, where similar discoveries have been made in recent months.

In an exclusive chat with Pajhwok Afghan News, 4th Border Police Brigade Commander Col. Rahmatullah Safi said the depots contained 33 landmines, 138 mortar rounds, 100 warheads, 90 boxes of heavy machine-gun bullets and 422 rounds of other heavy guns.

The weapons seized also included one mortar and 20 Klashnikov assault rifles, the police officer claimed, disclosing the mines were manufactured by Iran and the ammunitions by China. Provincial police and border brigade personnel were led to the site by residents of the district, he continued.

Col. Safi opined either the arms might have poured into the district recently or dumped carefully from war shipments to Afghanistan during the three decades of strife.

High-ranking Bush administration officials and local security personnel often accuse the Iranian government of shipping weapons to Taliban insurgents.

In mid-June, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates and Assistant Secretary Nicholas Burn alleged they had seen a new intelligence analysis that broadly suggested 'a fairly substantial flow of illegal weapons' from Iran to Taliban fighters.

"Given the quantities that we have seen, it is difficult to believe that its associated with smuggling or the drug business or that its taking place without the knowledge of the Iranian government, Gates had told reporters in Germany in mid-June.

During his daylong trip to Kabul last month, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vehemently denied his country was supporting opponents of the Karzai government. He rejected the allegations as baseless, assuring Iran was fully backing the political process in Afghanistan.

Pakistan News Service - PakTribune

Taleban 'getting Chinese arms'​

By Paul Danahar
BBC Asia bureau chief, Beijing


A large number of British troops are based in Afghanistan
Britain has privately complained to Beijing that Chinese-made weapons are being used by the Taleban to attack British troops in Afghanistan.

The BBC has been told that on several occasions Chinese arms have been recovered after attacks on British and American troops by Afghan insurgents.

The authorities in Beijing have promised to carry out an investigation.

This appears to be the first time Britain has asked China how its arms are ending up with the Taleban.

Boasting

At a meeting held recently at the Chinese foreign ministry in Beijing, a British official expressed the UK's growing concern about the incidents.

When asked about the latest British concerns, the Chinese foreign ministry referred back to a statement made by their spokesman Qin Gang in July who said China's arms exports were carried out "in strict accordance with our law and our international obligations".

For their part, the Taleban have recently begun boasting that they have now got hold of much more sophisticated weaponry although they refused to say from where.

Afghan officials have also privately confirmed to the BBC that sophisticated Chinese weapons are now in the hands of the Taleban.


Taleban forces fled Kabul in 2001

They said these included Chinese-made surface-to-air missiles, anti-aircraft guns, landmines, rocket-propelled grenades and components for roadside bombs.

A senior Afghan official told the BBC: "Chinese HN-5 anti-aircraft missiles are with the Taleban, we know this... and we are worried where do the Taleban get them, some of these weapons have been made recently in Chinese factories."

Another Afghan official who deals with counter-terrorism said: "Serial numbers and other information from most of the Chinese weapons have been removed in most cases and it's almost impossible for us to find out where they come from but we have shared our concerns with the Chinese and the Americans also."

Worried

The Afghan government considers China to be a friend, and a much less meddlesome ally than the other big player in its neighbourhood, India.

But, the counter-terrorism official added, "China is worried about the presence of the US in the region".

Southern Afghanistan has been awash with Chinese made arms for decades which are some of the cheapest on the market.

In the past the Taleban got them via the Pakistan intelligence agency, the ISI, or bought them directly from arms smugglers.

But it is extremely unlikely the ISI would now allow them access to anti-aircraft missiles or armour-piercing ammunition.


Taleban regularly target foreign troops in Afghanistan

The Pakistani army's relationship between militants in its tribal areas along the Afghan border has deteriorated sharply in recent years after Washington put pressure on President Musharraf post-9/11 to crack down on al-Qaeda and Taleban groups operating inside Pakistani territory.

So the Taleban might well use any sophisticated new weapons it received against the Pakistani army.

It is not in China's interest either to arm Pakistan-based militants.

Over the last couple of years Chinese workers in Pakistan have been targeted by militants, in retaliation for the Pakistani army allegedly going after hard-line Muslim Uighur leaders from China's Xinjiang province, hiding in the tribal areas.

Proxy network

So instead of Pakistan being the transit point for these weapons, the finger is being pointed by many commentators towards Iran.

The Afghan government has long acknowledged privately that Iranian intelligence agencies have been active in southern Afghanistan post-9/11.

Iran has been pursuing a policy of building up proxy networks to be able to attack American forces in response to any US attacks against Teheran's nuclear infrastructure.


The Americans are suspicious of Iran's role in Afghanistan

A Shia Iran and the Sunni Taleban had been firm enemies since 1998.

Then, Iran threatened to invade western Afghanistan, when the country was largely controlled by the Taleban, after nine of its diplomats were massacred in Mazar-e-Sharif.

But times have changed, now America is a common enemy and senior American commanders in Afghanistan have acknowledged the growing ties between the two.

The complication for both the UK and US is China.

Unnamed US officials have recently been quoted as saying that China has been selling arms to Iran which Iran is then passing on to insurgent groups in Afghanistan and Iraq.

China's booming economy and its seat at the UN security council have made it an important player on the world stage.

It is a major trading partner for the UK whose economy has benefited enormously from China's cheap goods.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown's newly-appointed British Minister for Asia, Lord Mark Malloch Brown acknowledged to journalists in Beijing last week that countries "need to work with China to get things done in today's world".

China is going to have to show that getting things done also means stopping its arms illegally ending up in the hands of men bent on killing British troops.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Taleban 'getting Chinese arms'

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

And the Army is not "pissed off" at the torture, mutilations and beheading of its own soldiers - by the primarily Sunni Taliban/AQ militants? I would be surprised if the "executions" were not being done by the Sunni's as well, people have died on both sides.

The point remains the same - if the Army is "pissed off" at the atrocities of one group, and therefore persecuting it at the behest of the other, then it does not have my support, and we should be ashamed of its actions. The Army's role is to keep the peace, not help one side settle scores.

Wait till you see what happened in Parachinar...

I am in process of loading some video footage recieved from Parachinar Itself and i am shocked to see the brutality in it. Shia sunnis where involved in Sectarian violence before also in Pakistan but nothing like this ever happened. The written words on walls of mosques and buildings and markets abusing Prophet (PBUH), Sahaba Karam and Burning of Quran will shock everyone. Brutality in killing people is evident from the footage, killing and then burning the dead bodies has also happened in several areas.

Its the worst sectarian violence that has ever happened in Pakistan but its made strictly non accessable area by the Army.

Furthermore AM, I say it with all authentication that in Parachinar Shia attacked the Army fort after killing 100+ Sunnis and only after that Army was sent in Parachinar to below the **** out of them. The help from Afghan side for the shias has been exposed and now Army is going to create a balance of Shia Sunni in Parachinar so that such acts of taking Kurram Agency Hostage by Shia population can never happen! That is the reason shias are fleeing into Afghan side of their tribes.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Wait till you see what happened in Parachinar...

I am in process of loading some video footage recieved from Parachinar Itself and i am shocked to see the brutality in it. Shia sunnis where involved in Sectarian violence before also in Pakistan but nothing like this ever happened. The written words on walls of mosques and buildings and markets abusing Prophet (PBUH), Sahaba Karam and Burning of Quran will shock everyone.

Its the worst sectarian violence that has ever happened in Pakistan but its made strictly non accessable area by the Army.

I don't understand this - Why would either side, Sunni or Shia, abuse Muhammed (PBUH) and the Quran? The Sahaba is a long running dispute, so getting worked up over that is silly (though I think coming to violence over the other two is also a horrible reaction, but understandable in a religio-cultural context), but how could any Muslim do the other two? External mischief?