Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[El Sidd]

Haha just saying how that is also banned because it's been misused and for security reasons etc

Ok now you are back in the Bibi list. Enjoy the privileges again.

 

[Divergent]

Ok now you are back in the Bibi list. Enjoy the privileges again.

Yay.

 

[Junoonay]

So are you, you little shit. Ski masks aren't worn publicly. Move.

Wow. Did I touch a nerve there? Lol

All liberal democracies permit for either, thank God. Seriously, you should stay put on politics "little shit"

 

[CriticalThought]

No, we never fought just I owed your backside but hey ho

Let's get this thread back on track.

There's been incidents recently were Men have abused the Niqab and some women have also endangering other people's lives.

The police don't know how to approach the Muslim Women here (and this isn't America where the police is pretty violent -it causes distrust amongst communities). A terror incident took place but was prevented before any damage could have been done and it was done using the Niqab attire.

All the police have requested is yes legally they won't ask you to remove it but due to the CURRENT climate - morally for the safety and comfort and to make their job easier and prevent any suspicious/racial profiling can they just remove it.

I Honestly don't think there's anything wrong in this.

The discussion wasn't if it was Compulsory or not BUT if it's acceptable in this moment in time for them to do so.

Which I personally think it is. As Muslims living in the West, one should not draw further attention and guess what? Though you admit that the Niqab is a purpose of 'preventing attention' it works the opposite over here. Which therefore defeats it's whole purpose.

No, they shouldn't remove their Niqab, and here is why.

1. The police, of all people, should go out of their way to ensure women get their constitutional right to dress as they choose.

2. The society at large vehemently supports this right for women in all other contexts. So, if a rapist claims 'the woman asked for it', it would be considered victim blaming. The matter is described rather sarcastically here:

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-an...ture-was-rolled-into-one-20151019-gkd2tx.html

So, asking Muslim women to remove their Niqab shows they are being de-humanized. It is a hypocritical, two faced policy, where 'some are more equal than others'.

Here's my question. The simple act of make up also hides identity. Worse still, it allows people to assume somebody else's identity. If security is of such importance, then make up should be banned.

But I guess part of the problem comes from the partial implementation of the purdah. If properly implemented, purdah means women stay inside their houses, except for some great need due to which they need to leave the house. Since Western society has made it compulsory for women to get out of the house to attend school as an example, if a 17 year old girl wants to observe purdah, it becomes an issue. So Western society should live up to its ideals and facilitate her in making this choice.

Here is a brain dead simple solution to security problems: finger prints. Purdah observing women can be asked to show their hands, and a machine can read her print and lookup the details in a database. NADRA implemented such a system for computer NICs. We can help them if they can't do it.

 

[Junoonay]

For anyone who is not a bigot; this is what the Supreme Court of Canada thinks about it:

The Supreme Court of Canada has explained:

A truly free society is one which can accommodate a wide variety of beliefs, diversity of tastes and pursuits, customs and codes of conduct… What may appear good and true to a majoritarian religious group, or to the state acting at their behest, may not, for religious reasons, be imposed upon citizens who take a contrary view. The Charter safeguards religious minorities from the threat of “the tyranny of the majority".

R v. Big M Drug Mart Ltd., [1985] 1 S.C.R. 295 at paras. 94, 96.

 

[Divergent]

Wow. Did I touch a nerve there? Lol

All liberal democracies permit for either, thank God. Seriously, you should stay put on politics "little shit"

Resort to personal attacks and you'll get it from me too. A woman can speak on politics too.

 

[Junoonay]

Resort to personal attacks and you'll get it from me too. A woman can speak on politics too.

Difference between calling some one retarded and calling their argument retarded.

Read in between the line, genius.

 

[Divergent]

Difference between calling some one retarded and calling their argument retarded.

Read in between the line, genius.

Bigotry asking a female not to speak on politics.

 

[Junoonay]

Bigotry asking a female not to speak on politics.

Yes, you as a particular person should not speak on politics; especially on libertarian issues. Plenty of other sensible men and women can.

 

[Zibago]

Well I'm looking forward to see Non-muslims in Europe wearing a veil...by pure Fashion... Like they did back in the 12-14th century...

Wish granted

 

[Junoonay]

Well put on a ski mask and run around any city, and see what happens.

As a matter of fact Canadians do, when the temperatures dip below -40C

 

[Divergent]

Yes, you as a particular person should not speak on politics; especially on libertarian issues. Plenty of other sensible men and women can.

Cool story bro.

 

[El Sidd]

As a matter of fact Canadians do, when the temperatures dip below -40C

And in Summer you have when you to drive past a really Canadian neighbourhood because of all the BBQ smoke.

 

[Hollow Field]

As a matter of fact Canadians do, when the temperatures dip below -40C

Haha, go to the bank or convenience store like that. But treat it like a typical visit. People will be so scared

 

[abdulbarijan]

Hi,

They don't claim to be God's chosen ones---the Fort of Islam---. Pakistan and paksiatnis do---. That is where the difference is.

Cmon mastan bhai ... You KNOW that's not true ... I've lost count regarding how many times I've heard Americans talk about how "America is the greatest country on the face of the planet" .... As far your claim that only Pakistanis see themselves as being the "chosen ones" ... Let's just see a few quotes and determine if that is true for the US of A ....

- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!" - Psalm 33:12 (you will find this quote from the bible more or less on every conservative website with an article about 'great quotations regarding America')

-"We live in the greatest country in the history of mankind every single day." -Burgess Owens( NFL player)

-"America is the greatest country in the whole world. - Chris Rock (among the most famous comedians of the 90's)

So like I said again, before you start judging us poor simpletons, a long hard look in the mirror might do you some good dear brother.