Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[Zibago]

so refreshing to see a ceasefire is coming into effect
except maybe for @Divergent1 and @Verve


FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Meesni phapha kutni

 

[Jf Thunder]

Meesni phapha kutni

meesni?

 

[Zibago]

meesni?

Punjabi nahi ati?

 

[Jf Thunder]

Punjabi nahi ati?

wont I be a meesna?

 

[Zibago]

wont I be a meesna?

I called you a meesni :-// not divergent

 

[terry5]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.da...tester-burka-storms-Ukip-election-launch.html

Ladies and gentlemen woman storms ukip election launch in burka
Lol hahahahaha where's the burka lol

She yelled: 'They are racist and they do target Muslim women and how dare they tell Muslim women what to wear when they have no right to?

Footage obtained by the Daily Mirror then shows the woman, from self-declared republic Somaliland, being escorted from the room.

Another protester shouted: 'UKIP are a nasty, racist party.

'Paul Nuttall wants to spread division and racism. How dare he tell Muslim women what to wear.

 

[Jf Thunder]

I called you a meesni :-// not divergent

im talking about myself
meesna = male
meesni = female
right?
so I am a dude, so should I not be a meesna?

 

[Lagay Raho]

 

[Zibago]

so I am a dude, so should I not be a meesna?

Uff

 

[MastanKhan]

Cmon mastan bhai ... You KNOW that's not true ... I've lost count regarding how many times I've heard Americans talk about how "America is the greatest country on the face of the planet" .... As far your claim that only Pakistanis see themselves as being the "chosen ones" ... Let's just see a few quotes and determine if that is true for the US of A ....

- "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!" - Psalm 33:12 (you will find this quote from the bible more or less on every conservative website with an article about 'great quotations regarding America')

-"We live in the greatest country in the history of mankind every single day." -Burgess Owens( NFL player)

-"America is the greatest country in the whole world. - Chris Rock (among the most famous comedians of the 90's)

So like I said again, before you start judging us poor simpletons, a long hard look in the mirror might do you some good dear brother.

Hi,

They claim it to be the best nation to live in---and there is no doubt that it is---. But they don't claim to be the protectors of the realm.

The united states is like 50 nations combined into one---. It is still the land of opportunity---you can come in here and it will make your dreams come true.

Any crime does not need to be reported---once the police officer finds that a crime is committed---the report will be filed. The state will take over---.

The fraudulent & deceptive Shariah law does not take that route---. In the U S law---there is no compromise between two parties---all crimes are considered committed against the state.

Please don't for a moment compare the perverted state to the united state.

The U S may kick me out tomorrow---but the facts don't change---.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Uff

I didnt get it
please explain?

 

[Zibago]

I didnt get it
please explain?

never mind

 

[abdulbarijan]

So are you, you little shit. Ski masks aren't worn publicly. Move.

Wooahhh ... baji gone mad! .. BTW calling someone's opinion "retarded" isn't bigotry .. ya know just FYI

I was referring to the current climate Bhai Jaan due to the current situation, I also said that I do not support any movement of abolishing it and will legally defend the rights of those who wish and choose to wear it, miss that bit? It's all in the first post.
Security reasons yes, but even in the West there is still a limitation; people don't roam about publicly naked no matter how liberal or secular they are.

I took on board arguments with valid points.

Face covering = hoodies, helmets are banned.

Burkini when banned had an outcry not just from Muslim women but also other women too and men who supported the movement by wearing Scuba diving suits. Their rights were stood up and therefore the SC of Paris abolished it.

Yeah and I accept your reasoning for it. I also know and actually empathize with all of you that have to face criticism from both ends i.e. from seemingly more devoted muslims that don't have to go through what you have to go through, or from the local nut jobs that commit hate crimes against you.Secondly, I'd be a hypocrite if I were to say "You WOMAN go and wear such and such" when I actually wear jeans and suits (clothing that are rather modest considering the current times, but do outline your shape etc.) So if I'm not perfect, how can I ask that of someone else.

What I'm calling out is the outright hypocrisy of the west that laments itself as THE STANDARD for freedom, inclusiveness and diversity. Lemme break it down for ya
(a) They request you to abolish the hijab entirely or atleast the face veil because that way you'll be more safe from hate crimes. Why is this dress code to "save oneself" only recommended for muslim women when skimpy clothing is completely fine, accepted rather cherished, and even hinting at the possibility that one should dress rather modestly, so as to save their selves from the current climate of sexual assault, rape or even worse causes a tantrum among the ranks of the empowered woman of the west who chants that your "blaming the victim" and yet it's completely fine to "advise" muslim women. Why the double standards?

(b)Secondly, if your argument is that it's for security, then why is it that sun glasses and caps aren't outlawed? It's among the most common methods to evade being detected from CCTV footage? Why are jackets not outlawed, even though most criminals who commit violent crimes using hand guns usually have them in their waist bands, which they hide using their jackets? Fact of the matter is, banning certain articles of clothing won't make you safe, just like banning capes and pointy hats won't make the KKK disappear from the face of the planet.

 

[Divergent]

Wooahhh ... baji gone mad! .. BTW calling someone's opinion "retarded" isn't bigotry .. ya know just FYI


Yeah and I accept your reasoning for it. I also know and actually empathize with all of you that have to face criticism from both ends i.e. from seemingly more devoted muslims that don't have to go through what you have to go through, or from the local nut jobs that commit hate crimes against you.Secondly, I'd be a hypocrite if I were to say "You WOMAN go and wear such and such" when I actually wear jeans and suits (clothing that are rather modest considering the current times, but do outline your shape etc.) So if I'm not perfect, how can I ask that of someone else.

What I'm calling out is the outright hypocrisy of the west that laments itself as THE STANDARD for freedom, inclusiveness and diversity. Lemme break it down for ya
(a) They request you to abolish the hijab entirely or atleast the face veil because that way you'll be more safe from hate crimes. Why is this dress code to "save oneself" only recommended for muslims women when skimpy clothing is completely fine, accepted rather cherished, and even hinting at the possibility that one should dress rather modestly, so as to save their selves from the current climate of sexual assault, rape or even worse causes a tantrum among the ranks of the empowered woman of the west who chants that your "blaming the victim" and yet it's completely fine to "advise" muslim women. Why the double standards?

(b)Secondly, if your argument is that it's for security, then why is it that sun glasses and caps aren't outlawed? It's among the most common methods to evade being detected from CCTV footage? Why are jackets not outlawed, even though most criminals who commit violent crimes using hand guns usually have them in their waist bands, which they hide using their jackets? Fact of the matter is, banning certain articles of clothing won't make you safe, just like banning capes and pointy hats won't make the KKK disappear from the face of the planet.

Nah I ain't mad type. Referring to someone's point 'retarded' is provoking, unless they have limit vocabulary Lala. Feel me?

Point noted. I respect your argument.

Again, I reiterate 'current climate' and 'current situation' which lays emphasis and adds weight to the argument of recent times, not making it a permanence nor a law.

I agree that the West shouldn't brand themselves as ambassadors of freedom/liberalism as one person's freedom in terms of dressing attire may not necessarily be another's, hence why I would oppose any ban on face veils on legal grounds.

However, morally I've also stated that there's been incidents where people have abused the face veil to commit crimes and escape justice. This doesn't just draw lines on veils but anything to do with face coverages, for e.g. hoodies, helmets etc. They have been completey outlawed in England.

Further to that, the culture of these Countries is completely different. The Western society when going to East preserves and respects their culture and has to be dressed in compliant with the social norms there. Similarly, in the West face exposure is part of their culture. Glasses are for health reasons and any exempts regarding that are taken into consideration and doesn't disguise The face, shades are not worn 24hrs.

Jackets or other open wear isn't at dispute because no one is asking for removal of Jilbab and nor is it outlawed therefore doesn't come into the equation.

 

[Hell hound]

20 pages in 12 hr damn this thread is on fire