In reply to HJ786.
LCA tejas is currently flying with a underpowered GE 404 engine from USA.
The IAF have stated that a new engine will be required they are looking at
both the french M88 & the GE414. ON BOTH accounts HAL/DRDO have confirmed that tranche 2 LCA will take 3 additional years to intergrate and modify the fuselage..for either of these engines.
At this moment in time JF17 has no composite materials unlike Typhoon Rafael Gripen & YES TEJAS... To build a fighter using compsites you need the technology in the First place.
DOES pakistan have this technology to add/ change JF17 from alloys metal to composites ????
" you make it sound easy HJ786"
yet india a NATION with a huge air force budget and far more access to western technology is struggling to make the changes to TEJAS without serious delays.
JF17 today is a 3RD GENERATION FIGHTER. why
NIL COMPSITES , single FBW only
smokey russian RD93 engine and chinease radar & weapons.
PAFS best fighter is still those 44 F16 block15 which are now 25 YEARS OLD
PAF will upgade JF17 i know that otherwise by the time you have inducted 100+ ie IN YEAR 2015 it will be totally outgunned by IAF which will field SU30MKI in massive nos & have MMRCA and upgraded MIRAGE2000-5
BUT it will be costly and a lengthy excercise and i doubt it will be better than BLOCK52s F16....
" REMEMBER EVEN BANGALDESH has rejected JF17 in favour of the J10
Why do you keep repeating the same crap when I have already replied to it all? Do you read my posts properly? Also, can you please use paragraphs in your posts?
Firstly, are you seriously comparing HAL/DODO with Chengdu Aircraft Corporation? You just proved you don't know anything. Hmm, J-10 compared to LCA. Don't make me laugh.
FC-1 is designed to take different engines. I know you don't like to admit facts. You have absolutely no idea how long it would take to integrate a new engine to FC-1. NONE WHATSOEVER. Stop talking like an expert, you aren't one.
Why do you keep crying about composites? Firstly, J-10 and J-11 use lots of composites. Even if PAC cannot manufacture composite parts, they can get them from China.
Secondly, if Pakistan cannot manufacture composite parts, how can they manufacture their indigenous UAVs that are MADE OF COMPOSITES?
INTEGRATED DYNAMICS :: Shadow UAV System
The SHADOW UAV systems were specially developed to cover a customer requirement for a family of modular composite airframes that could provide tactical surveillance...
I don't give a sh*t about India struggling with LCA! What does it matter if India has "far more access to western technology"?
India NEEDS western technology, thats why!
China does not.
FC-1, J-10, These aircraft are finished! India can only dream of making indigenous aircraft like these. India is not in the same league as China in aircraft design, so STOP shouting that delays with LCA means delays with FC-1. You know people call it Late Combat Aircraft?
You don't know anything about what makes a fighter 3rd or 4th generation. So what if FC-1/JF-17 has partial FBW? JF is a 4th generation fighter because it has EVERYTHING that defines a 4th generation fighter - sensor fusion (glass cockpit, integrated MAWS/EW/ECM, data-linking), high performance (TWR 0.95), high speed agility (confirmed by test pilots to be comparable to F-16A), advanced radar (confirmed by test pilots to be superior to APG-66 of F-16A), true multi-role capabilities, the list can go on.
By the way, did you know Mig-29 has no FBW? YES, YOUR BIG BAD 4TH GEN FIGHTER HAS
NO FBW, but you guys say its performance is better than F-16. That means JF's performance can be better than F-16 too.
It also proves you don't know what you are talking about.
The smokey Russian engine will be replaced in a few years by WS-13 or a European engine, both will be superior to RD-93. I have already said that the smokey Russian engine gives JF a slightly higher TWR than the 4th gen Mirage 2000C!
You really aren't bothering to read my posts are you?
Who cares if Bangladesh wants J-10 instead of FC-1? Pakistan is also buying J-10. PAF has already evaluated it. If J-10 is so much better than JF-17, why didn't PAF stop buying JF and buy more J-10? Instead, PAF increased the number of JF-17 they want from 250 to 275!
You don't know what you are talking about AND you don't bother reading my posts. You always post rubbish. Please just stop and do some research. Everything I have stated is available on the internet - wikipedia, sinodefence, milavia, lots and lots of websites are full of information. Why do you only believe what the idiots on IDF and BRF say?
