F-16 Thread

[TexasJohn]

I was under the impression that PAF had to cannibalize some planes to keep others flying, hence the drop in actual strength. Turkey is a member of NATO and would be forced to honor US sactions, right?

 

[EagleEyes]

I thought you were referring to India in the situation of hostilities breaking out between the two (as you mentioned India getting the ability to manufacture F-16s).

Well as far as U.S sanctions are concerned, it is one of the reasons why Pakistan wants to have its fighter fleet consisted of 50% Chinese (sanctioned free) and 50% Western fighters. Pakistan has learned a lesson of sanctions and that is why it is going towards indigenization and self-sufficiency. This can be seen by looking at transfer of technology of many major things (F-22p, JF-17, Super Mushak, K-8, SD-10, etc).

 

[master_fx]

The spares parts were blocked 25~ years ago, but Pakistan still managed to keep the F-16s operational and didn't loose a jet in record of 15~ years. Pakistan understands this situation very well, but Pakistan has access to spare parts from many other manufacturers of F-16s, Turkey being the most important one.

those spare parts are all like second or third handed..... but imagine if pakistan have j-10....
when u need more spare parts u will be like:
pakistan:"hey buddy, lend me some spare parts for j-10 will u?"
china: "ok, there u go...."
pakistan:"btw, can u lend me a 'few' SD-10 to play with?"
china:"ok there u go"
pakistan:"thanx alot.... i will be bak tomorrow!"(for mbt2000 and f-22P.... lol)

 

[EagleEyes]

Pakistan doesn't need MBT-2000 (Al-Khalid) it can produce it by itself. After the third F-22p frigate is done in China, the third one will be build in Pakistan and the infrastructure will be setup to build more ships in the future. SD-10 is also a joint-production by Pakistan and China. Nonetheless, China is a reliable source for Pakistan to get military equipment as much as it can, and whenever it wants.

 

[ajaybhutani]

SD-10 is also a joint-production by Pakistan and China.

LINK?
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[master_fx]

LINK?
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i never heard of that neither.......

 

[Kaiser]

I thought you were referring to India in the situation of hostilities breaking out between the two (as you mentioned India getting the ability to manufacture F-16s).

Well as far as U.S sanctions are concerned, it is one of the reasons why Pakistan wants to have its fighter fleet consisted of 50% Chinese (sanctioned free) and 50% Western fighters. Pakistan has learned a lesson of sanctions and that is why it is going towards indigenization and self-sufficiency. This can be seen by looking at transfer of technology of many major things (F-22p, JF-17, Super Mushak, K-8, SD-10, etc).

Pakistan is getting to the point where it will no need to depend on any nation for its military needs

Also super mushak was made at home

 

[Kaiser]

Pakistan doesn't need MBT-2000 (Al-Khalid) it can produce it by itself. After the third F-22p frigate is done in China, the third one will be build in Pakistan and the infrastructure will be setup to build more ships in the future. SD-10 is also a joint-production by Pakistan and China. Nonetheless, China is a reliable source for Pakistan to get military equipment as much as it can, and whenever it wants.

Mbt-2000 aka p-90 al-khalid was made at home by pakistan and was BASED off of chinese norinco Type 90II

Also Webmaster is right SD-10 is Somewhat a joint venture between Pakistan and China...why? Because

1. The program might have never started if it werent for pakistan re-starting the Super-7 project

2. Pakistan will make SD-10 at home with TOT and will in the future make its own modified versions (as quoted by Air Chief in JDW interview)

3. SD-10 was originally made to be the main bvr for the JF-17 which to is a joint venture between pakistan and china

4. Pakistan will be one of the marketter of the missile via JF-17 to third world nations

 

[Neo]

Pakistan to buy up to 36 new Fort Worth-built jets
[SIZE=-1]11:59 AM CDT on Thursday, June 29, 2006

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[SIZE=-1]By RICHARD WHITTLE /The Dallas Morning News [/SIZE]
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/06-06/0630f16.jpg EPA
A Pakistani F-16 Falcon performs during an air show in Islamabad.


WASHINGTON &#8211; The State Department has notified Congress of a proposed sale to Pakistan of up to 36 new Fort Worth-built F-16 fighter jets and 26 others the U.S. Air Force will retire.
The $5 billion deal, which could preserve up to 4,000 jobs at Lockheed Martin Corp.'s fighter plant well into 2010, also includes upgrades for Pakistan's existing fleet of 34 older F-16s, munitions for the planes and other support, the State Department said Thursday.
Critics of Pakistan's military government, which exploded a nuclear device in 1998, have opposed selling it advanced fighter aircraft. The Bush administration, however, has courted Pakistan as a key ally in the war on terror and the hunt for Osama bin Laden.
"The sale is part of a larger effort to broaden our strategic partnership with Pakistan and advance our national security and foreign policy interests in Asia," the State Department said in a written statement.
Congress can veto such a sale technically but has never exercised that power.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/063006dnbusf16.b6316a0.html

 

[melb4aust]

When? i cant wait, it's been like more than a year so far i have been hearing about proposals:read: . So When .......

 

[Neo]

When? i cant wait, it's been like more than a year so far i have been hearing about proposals:read: . So When .......

Just wait a few more days, we're getting much more than just 36 F-16C/D.
More on this later. I'm waiting for the official news to be made public.

 

[Neo]

Okay guys, its all over the international forums, details have been officially released.
PAF is gonna rock with these toys. :flag:

Links;

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2006/Pakistan_06-34.pdf

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2006/Pakistan_06-11.pdf

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2006/Pakistan_06-10.pdf

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2006/Pakistan_06-09.pdf

 

[Neo]

NEWS RELEASE

On the web: http://www.dsca.mil Media/Public Contact: (703) 601-3670

Date: 28 June 2006 Transmittal No. 06-34

Pakistan – Weapons for F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft


On 28 June 2006, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of Weapons for the F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:

Major Defense Equipment (MDE);

> 500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)

> 12 AMRAAM training missiles

> 240 LAU-129/A Launchers

> 200 AIM-9M-8/9 SIDEWINDER missiles

> 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits; 1,600 Enhanced-GBU-12/24 GBUs

> 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs; and

>700 BLU-109 2,000 pound with FMU-143 Fuze.

Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided. The estimated cost is $650 million.

 

[Neo]

Defense Security Cooperation Agency

NEWS RELEASE

On the web: http://www.dsca.mil Media/Public Contact: (703) 601-3670

Date: 28 June 2006 Transmittal No. 06-09

Pakistan – F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft


On 28 June 2005, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 Aircraft as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $3 billion.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:

Major Defense Equipment (MDE)

>36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft with either the F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs) and APG-68(V)9 radars

>7 spare F100-PW-229 IPE or F110-GE-129 IPE engines

>7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets

>36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems

>36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II

>36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs)

>36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals

>36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems

>36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems

>36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio

>Frequency Memory (DRFM) or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM and
1 Unit Level Trainer

Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment,

 

[Neo]

Defense Security Cooperation Agency

NEWS RELEASE

On the web: http://www.dsca.mil Media/Public Contact: (703) 601-3670

Date: 28 June 2006 Transmittal No. 06-10

Pakistan – F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits


On 28 June 2006, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification kits as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $1.3 billion.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update (MLU) modification and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:

>APG-68(V)9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or APG-66(V)2 radar;

>Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems;

>AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems;

>AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems;

>Have Quick I/II Radios;

>Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals;

>SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability;

>Reconnaissance pod capability;

>Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units;

>MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;

>60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;

>1 Unit Level Trainer; and

>10 APG-68(V)9 spare radar sets.

Also included are radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support. The estimated cost is $1.3 billion.