Extremism, terrorism alien to Islam: Pervaiz

[atatwolf]

LOL i thought Turks are also Muslims,are they not??

Islam or chistianity wouldn't come so far if they were passive religions.

Whatever tengri permits..

 

[45'22']

I guess the LTTE were muslims, the Nazi death squad recently exposed were muslims, The hindi military officers who bombed that train from Pakistan were muslims, the north Korean regime is muslim. Well haven't you got a narrowed down meaning of the word terrorism. OR is it that you only say that only muslims can be terrorist? Do you forgot the maost in India? How many have they killed? They are muslim to be you as well aren't they? I bet theres a muslim hiding under your bed too readily to behead you. Right?

no one is saying every Muslim is a terrorist
but most of the terrorists are Muslims...........unfortunately

 

[Pakistani E]

no one is saying every Muslim is a terrorist
but most of the terrorists are Muslims...........unfortunately

Did you count them all? Or are you just saying that cause it looks cool.

 

[Jaanbaz]

It is extremely disturbing to hear that only 78% of the people asked supported the death penalty.

Nauzubillah.

What would the Prophet (saw) say if he saw his Ummah in such a bidati state?

It is a well established rule in Islam than an apostate is to be killed after 3 days if he doesn't come back to Islam.

No one can dare challenge God's rule.

Enjoy retard.

 

[ranjeet]

Are you Muslim?



I am a Muslim, therefore I am automatically a submitter to Allah SWT, whatever his commands may be.

The Prophet (saw) said that whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.

 

[CENTCOM]

The terrorists are only concerned with achieving their deadly agenda, and they’ve repeatedly proven that they will cross all lines in order to meet their criminal objectives. They’ve also tried to make everyone believe that they are fighting in the name of religion, but people have become familiar with their tactics and other methods of manipulation. No one has been spared, and we have seen women, elderly and even children fall victim to their terrorist activities. Pakistan in particular has faced the wrath of terrorism. Thousands of innocent people have fallen victim to indiscriminate killings. The seriousness of the situation requires our nations to stand untied against the enemies of peace. We must work together against those who pose a risk to the safety of our nations. We fully support the government of Pakistan in their efforts to restore peace in the country. Conspiracy theorists try to create friction between our nations, but we greatly value Pakistan’s partnership in our common stance against terrorism, and look forward to remaining unified in regards to our shared objectives in the region.

Ali Khan
Digital Engagement Team, USCENTCOM

 

[KingMamba]

no one is saying every Muslim is a terrorist
but most of the terrorists are Muslims...........unfortunately

LOL FBI data on the subject says otherwise, Google is your friend.

It is extremely disturbing to hear that only 78% of the people asked supported the death penalty.

Nauzubillah.

What would the Prophet (saw) say if he saw his Ummah in such a bidati state?

It is a well established rule in Islam than an apostate is to be killed after 3 days if he doesn't come back to Islam.

No one can dare challenge God's rule.

The rule is not established by God but by a few Imams who came hundreds of years ago, no where in the Quran does it say such a thing.

I doubt whether suicide bombers read too many books, or whether they can even read.

Actually this is true one time the Pakistani army lined up a bunch of jihadis and asked them to recite the kalimas they couldn't even do it. Mind you the 6 kalima is something we teach children at a very young age.

 

[SamantK]

I guess the LTTE were muslims, the Nazi death squad recently exposed were muslims, The hindi military officers who bombed that train from Pakistan were muslims, the north Korean regime is muslim. Well haven't you got a narrowed down meaning of the word terrorism. OR is it that you only say that only muslims can be terrorist? Do you forgot the maost in India? How many have they killed? They are muslim to be you as well aren't they? I bet theres a muslim hiding under your bed too readily to behead you. Right?

Don't go all commando on me
I am not saying that only Muslims are terrorists, what I am saying is that followers of Islam make the majority of the terrorists.

Half of the terrorists you have mentioned have nothing to do with religion at all.

If we take only the last year to see the casualties of terrorism and which groups have inflicted those casualties, tell me which religion stands out?

 

[EasyNow]

This is what I mean by that.

I've been inspired by a recent thread to make this post. Call it a rant. Call it an inspiration. Call me crazy. Whatever you like.

Note: Whenever I mention any of God's attributes then please ponder over them rather than just simply read over them.

A lot of us Muslims have been raised with misconceptions about this deen. We are given an image of a deen which caters for our nafs (desires). A lot of us go through a stage on life when we question our faith and when topics on sensitive issues are used by the enemies of this deen on their numerous propaganda sites we seek out all sorts of logical rebuttals to defend the deen. So we have painted before us a warped version of the religion which caters to our wants. You'll find endless quotations of Ahadith talking about so and so's rights, with the sole intention of presenting our religion as a bender to people's visualisations of what they perceive to be fitting for a religion. Which is a total misnomer.

The very word 'Islam' means submission. Submission to the Lord. And by extension to his commandments which collectively make up this heavenly religion of ours.

The Lord is the beginning and he is the eternal. He alone has the power to wipe us off and replace us with a nation better than us. He was the one who created us. Had he chosen so, he would not have created us all. Which would mean that Adam

and his wife, Jannah, Jahannam, Malaikah, Iblis and the Dunya would not have happened at all. It is his rahmah (mercy) that he did. He created us to worship and submit ourselves and our desires to him, even though he is not in need of that.

We are under the perception that God must make laws based on morals of our liking. We are arrogant enough, perhaps just as arrogant as Iblis, to question the Lord's commandments and say that our own morals are better than God's laws.

Killing, loot and arson is not wrong because it is wrong in itself. It is wrong because God says its wrong. Had he said it was right then there would have been no problem. But he said its wrong so its wrong.

Since he is God, he is supreme. There is no power either with him or above him. So since he is the master who is unanswerable to anyone he can issue orders of his liking without justification.

He is after all the one who says 'Be and it is!'

I'll say this again. Our morals our dictated to us by God, not by us to God Almighty.

Lets look to our examples. Abraham (Ibrahim

). He was commanded by Allah

to give up his long awaited son Ismail as a sacrifice unto him. Did Ibrahim question the Lord on the basis of injustice, harshness or perceived cruelty? Or did he obey?

Did Hajar رضي الله عنها question her husband Ibrahim further when she was told that it was God's command that she was to be left in the isolated desert with her son with few resources to survive on?

Did Yukabid رضي الله عنها question God when instructed to set Musa

adrift in a basket on a yam (river) as mighty and perilous as the Nile? No, she put her trust in the Lord who created her and would eventually benefit her, if not in this world but in the next.

When Maryam رضي الله عنها gave birth to Isa

she was commanded to observe a fast of silence. Imagine a pure and chaste woman without a husband but with a child! What must have she been thinking when told to return to her people with a child but no explanation? Yet she obeyed what God commanded her to do, without knowing that through her infant son God would publicise her innocence.

Our purpose is to serve. Whether we may like the commandment or not. Because it is God's command. If God, the Creator (Al Khaaliq), the Beginner of All and the Mightiest of the Mighties wants us to serve then we must serve for we are simply his slaves who will cease once he wills. And will be resurrected only once he wills. The Creator. The Everlasting.

Sorry but you have completely misunderstood our religion.

Why did Allah say "laqum deen, nqum waliya deen" if all He wants is submission from everyone in the world?

 

[Pakistani E]

Don't go all commando on me
I am not saying that only Muslims are terrorists, what I am saying is that followers of Islam make the majority of the terrorists.

Half of the terrorists you have mentioned have nothing to do with religion at all.

If we take only the last year to see the casualties of terrorism and which groups have inflicted those casualties, tell me which religion stands out?

So you say that the only people who are terrorists are ones who you use religion?. What is terrorism to you anyway? the only criminal acts that muslim commit? You've got inner bias, you want to give your definition to the word terrorist so you can say terrorists are muslims as you keep saying that the people I mentioned had nothing to do religion. Yet the acts they commit were terrorists, no? Stop playing around with words and say in your eyes only muslims can be terrorists.

LOL FBI data on the subject says otherwise, Google is your friend.



The rule is not established by God but by a few Imams who came hundreds of years ago, no where in the Quran does it say such a thing.



Actually this is true one time the Pakistani army lined up a bunch of jihadis and asked them to recite the kalimas they couldn't even do it. Mind you the 6 kalima is something we teach children at a very young age.

This is actually true. Most terrorists haven't a clue about Islam. I know of an incident when an Ahmadi mosque was attacked and one of the attackers was asked the first kalma and he didn't know it. It's such a shame though because then all muslims are dragged through the dirt due to the actions of the misguided few.

 

[SamantK]

Don't go all commando on me
I am not saying that only Muslims are terrorists, what I am saying is that followers of Islam make the majority of the terrorists.
Half of the terrorists you have mentioned have nothing to do with religion at all.
If we take only the last year to see the casualties of terrorism and which groups have inflicted those casualties, tell me which religion stands out?

So you say that the only people who are terrorists are ones who you use religion?. What is terrorism to you anyway? the only criminal acts that muslim commit? You've got inner bias, you want to give your definition to the word terrorist so you can say terrorists are muslims as you keep saying that the people I mentioned had nothing to do religion. Yet the acts they commit were terrorists, no? Stop playing around with words and say in your eyes only muslims can be terrorists.

My sentence in bold should answer question 1.

Regarding the other terrorists you mentioned, they have nothing to do with religion and this thread is about Islam and terrorism.

there are other terrorists too, I have no issues in accepting it. Majority of terrorists call themselves Muslims - I will leave it to your good offices to decide who is a muslim and who is not

Kapisch?

 

[Pakistani E]

My sentence in bold should answer question 1.

Regarding the other terrorists you mentioned, they have nothing to do with religion and this thread is about Islam and terrorism.

there are other terrorists too, I have no issues in accepting it. Majority of terrorists call themselves Muslims - I will leave it to your good offices to decide who is a muslim and who is not

Kapisch?

Fine, Sir. Have a nice day. I hope I haven't offended you.

 

[jatt+gutts]

maybe true but since old age islamist have killed many for being non muslim and imposed zaziya wen in power.

 

[Zaryanshah]

The rule is not established by God but by a few Imams who came hundreds of years ago, no where in the Quran does it say such a thing.

This ruling, amongst thousands of others, was established by Allah through his Prophet (saw).

We have many authentic hadeeths from the Prophet (saw) which explicitly state the death penalty for apostates and homosexuals, and these penalties were carried out during the sahabah's era. And the Prophet (saw) said that the scholars are the heirs of the Prophet (saw). The four great Imams and their schools have all agreed on this and relate it from the words and actions of the Prophet (saw) and the sahabah.

This is an example from hadiths about the punishment for homosexuals.

Ibn ‘Abbaas is the one who narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the words: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” This was narrated by the authors of al-Sunan and was classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan and others. Imam Ahmad quoted this hadeeth as evidence, and its isnaad meets the conditions of al-Bukhaari.

It is narrated from Khaalid ibn al-Waleed that he found a man among one of the Arab tribes with whom men would have intercourse as with a woman. He wrote to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) and Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq consulted the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib had the strongest opinion of all of them, and he said: “No one did that but one of the nations, and you know what Allaah did to them. I think that he should be burned with fire.” So Abu Bakr wrote to Khaalid and he had him burned. {al-Jawaab al-Kaafi (p. 260-263)}

 

[KingMamba]

This ruling, amongst thousands of others, was established by Allah through his Prophet (saw).

We have many authentic hadeeths from the Prophet (saw) which explicitly state the death penalty for apostates and homosexuals, and these penalties were carried out during the sahabah's era. And the Prophet (saw) said that the scholars are the heirs of the Prophet (saw). The four great Imams and their schools have all agreed on this and relate it from the words and actions of the Prophet (saw) and the sahabah.

This is an example from hadiths about the punishment for homosexuals.

Ibn ‘Abbaas is the one who narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the words: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” This was narrated by the authors of al-Sunan and was classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan and others. Imam Ahmad quoted this hadeeth as evidence, and its isnaad meets the conditions of al-Bukhaari.

It is narrated from Khaalid ibn al-Waleed that he found a man among one of the Arab tribes with whom men would have intercourse as with a woman. He wrote to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) and Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq consulted the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib had the strongest opinion of all of them, and he said: “No one did that but one of the nations, and you know what Allaah did to them. I think that he should be burned with fire.” So Abu Bakr wrote to Khaalid and he had him burned. {al-Jawaab al-Kaafi (p. 260-263)}

The Hadith is irrelevant because the Quran has already addressed apostasy. If the Quran has already spoken about an issue than we do not need to look at Hadith, besides a Hadith being Sahih only means its transmitters were trustworthy. if it goes against Quran it is still not authentic.

In the Quran apostacy is mentioned 20 times but there is no mention of earthly punishment only mention of punishment in the afterlife as apostacy which is akin to shirk is the an unforgivable sin. The Imams with all due respect should not have been meddling in the laws of God, besides if one looks at history even those executed were not done because of apostasy but because of sedition that they did against the state after the apostasy.

So it is up to you to decide if you value God's word more or the words of humans who could have been wrong?

Islam or chistianity wouldn't come so far if they were passive religions.

Whatever tengri permits..

LOL are you really a tengrist?