Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

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whose financial troubles and low order volume led to a shotgun merger with Russia’s state-owned United Aircraft Corporation, government bailouts, and doubts about the long-term future of its technologies.


Everyone knows this! this is old news but still they picked Mig 29 over Chinese jets

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If i were Egypt and i was offered the Mig 29 SMT and the JF17 i know which id go for

The issue is that Egypt is not as genious as you are. So better focus on LCA tejas, because even if it is offered for exports countries like egypt would not buy it as it uses american engine and Isreali radar. So sorry mate but no chance of tejas competing JFT there.
Even Azerbaijan wants to buy JFT even though they already are operating Mig29s, and i don't have to repeat here that why malaysia wants to retire Mig29s although they still have life left in them.

and please now stay on topic.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

In just two year of serial production, development are really amazing and marketting strategy is well on its way to achieve target.This is just begining...lets see what happpen next in next episode

 

[regular]

Hopefully it gonna become a huge seller like those Call of Duty games.

Yes! it will for sure Sir.......Insha-Allah.......

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes! it will for sure Sir.......Insha-Allah.......

JF-17 is also only the pioneer of our aircraft market.

In the future, we can establish the existing market of JF-17 for our J-2X.

 

[regular]

JF-17 is also only the pioneer of our aircraft market.

In the future, we can establish the existing market of JF-17 for our J-2X.

Yes! U are absolutely right...in future J2X will takeover the JF-17 market easily as its advanced option....Indeed right now JF17 is the only best aircraft rivaling the Western counterparts the world over........it has achieved the top unbeatable position in the smallest timeframe....Alhamdolillah!........

 

[Last Hope]

The Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC)/ Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) JF-17 Thunder was demonstrated at the Dubai Air Show in November in a bid to market the fighter aircraft as a low-cost alternative to established platforms.


The Chinese and Pakistani manufacturers of the FC-1/JF-17 Thunder are looking to market the aircraft on the international market as a low cost but capable alternative to more expensive established offerings.

Making only its second appearance at a major international air show, the Thunder is being geared towards a number of international markets beyond Southwest Asia and the Middle East.

"Look at the aircraft many air forces are flying in developing countries - MiG-21s, F-5s, F-4s; these are all aircraft where their airframe life is over and they must be replaced," said the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Commander-in-Chief, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman.

"When you look at the capabilities required for a modern fighter aircraft you see that they all come at a high cost. [The] JF-17 comes in at almost one third the cost of any other aircraft with similar capabilities and this is our competitive advantage in the market."

The PAF programme team at PAC in Kamra are now finalising the design for the Block 2 version of the aircraft. PAF and CAC officials listed some of the main features of the next iteration of the aircraft, including a new advanced complement of avionics and an air-to-air-refuelling capability, as well as the development of a two-seat variant. There is also a new version of the aircraft's China Electronics Technology Corporation (CETC) KG300G electronic warfare suite that expands the coverage of its frequency band.

However, there are no plans at present to change out the aircraft's Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) KLJ-7 radar set for an alternative model. PAF programme executives told Jane's : "The KLJ-7 was our choice; the Chengdu team proposed another radar set but we took this one and have now made a number of improvements to it to the point where we are very satisfied with it."

There have been persistent reports that the PAF is also looking at a set of avionics and weapons provided by Denel and other South African industry partners. Denel's A-Darter air-to-air missile is a particularly attractive option as the JF-17 is fitted with the older Chinese-made LOEC PL-5IIE missile.

It is unclear whether the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) will ever procure the aircraft. Some PAC personnel have stated that there is a divergence in the programme and that "the JF-17 variant ... developed by Pakistan will incorporate third-country systems and this is not for the PLAAF. [The Chinese] will instead operate the FC-1 version of the aircraft with Chinese-made systems on board."

ACM Suleman did not make this distinction when asked if the PLAAF will also be a customer, saying: "The JF-17 will find its position in the PLAAF, but we do not know when as we are not advised of the Chinese armed forces' timetable."

-Posted by sir fatman17.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If i were Egypt and i was offered the Mig 29 SMT and the JF17 i know which id go for

but you are not Egyptian, you are Indian so you cant tell what an Egyptian would go for because he has not fought wars with the producers of JF-17 and doesnt share the love and hate relationship like India does.

@all
polite request to stop the VS. posts and brining in off topic news. not even when you are responding or quoting the original offender. if you cant contribute any futher to this thread then stop posting.

 

[SBD-3]

The Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC)/ Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) JF-17 Thunder was demonstrated at the Dubai Air Show in November in a bid to market the fighter aircraft as a low-cost alternative to established platforms.


The Chinese and Pakistani manufacturers of the FC-1/JF-17 Thunder are looking to market the aircraft on the international market as a low cost but capable alternative to more expensive established offerings.

Making only its second appearance at a major international air show, the Thunder is being geared towards a number of international markets beyond Southwest Asia and the Middle East.

"Look at the aircraft many air forces are flying in developing countries - MiG-21s, F-5s, F-4s; these are all aircraft where their airframe life is over and they must be replaced," said the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Commander-in-Chief, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman.

"When you look at the capabilities required for a modern fighter aircraft you see that they all come at a high cost. [The] JF-17 comes in at almost one third the cost of any other aircraft with similar capabilities and this is our competitive advantage in the market."

The PAF programme team at PAC in Kamra are now finalising the design for the Block 2 version of the aircraft. PAF and CAC officials listed some of the main features of the next iteration of the aircraft, including a new advanced complement of avionics and an air-to-air-refuelling capability, as well as the development of a two-seat variant. There is also a new version of the aircraft's China Electronics Technology Corporation (CETC) KG300G electronic warfare suite that expands the coverage of its frequency band.

However, there are no plans at present to change out the aircraft's Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) KLJ-7 radar set for an alternative model. PAF programme executives told Jane's : "The KLJ-7 was our choice; the Chengdu team proposed another radar set but we took this one and have now made a number of improvements to it to the point where we are very satisfied with it."

There have been persistent reports that the PAF is also looking at a set of avionics and weapons provided by Denel and other South African industry partners. Denel's A-Darter air-to-air missile is a particularly attractive option as the JF-17 is fitted with the older Chinese-made LOEC PL-5IIE missile.

It is unclear whether the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) will ever procure the aircraft. Some PAC personnel have stated that there is a divergence in the programme and that "the JF-17 variant ... developed by Pakistan will incorporate third-country systems and this is not for the PLAAF. [The Chinese] will instead operate the FC-1 version of the aircraft with Chinese-made systems on board."

ACM Suleman did not make this distinction when asked if the PLAAF will also be a customer, saying: "The JF-17 will find its position in the PLAAF, but we do not know when as we are not advised of the Chinese armed forces' timetable."

-Posted by sir fatman17.

Thats what i suspected....PAF is usually interested in mature technology, even Israelis went for MSA rather than newer AESA for their Sufa's......Now it explains why PAF will go with the similar engine, had the AESA been there, we would have seen some serious hush about new engine....

 

[SBD-3]

BAF's future platforms chalked out by AM BAF
6 Squadrons to be raised
3 will be airdefence
2 will be multirole
1 will be maritime strike

future platforms include F-16,Mig-29SMT, Su-30 and SAAB Grippen (does not include JFT) The selection process is in progress for last two years..... (source JDW)

 

[Marxist]

Azerbaijan (Still) Kicking Tires On Chinese-Pakistani Fighter Jets

Azerbaijan seems to be looking seriously at rejuvenating its air force with Chinese-Pakistani fighter jets, the state news agency APA reports. They cite a source from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, one of the builders of the aircraft, at the big Dubai air show:

Members of the Azerbaijani delegation watched the JF-17's demonstration flights at the airshow, the PAC officials said.

They said that several rounds of discussions had been held with the Azerbaijani side, but that talks had yet to reach the purchase and sale stage. They said that the initial size of the order had been determined, however. PAC is meeting orders from Pakistan’s Air Forces at present and would be able to meet an Azerbaijani order in the next few years.

This is not news, exactly; Azerbaijan has been talking about this for at least four years. To quote from a news story then:

In the spring of 2007, at the international military exhibition IDEAS in Dubai, the Azerbaijani side became interested in the multi-functional JF-17 fighter developed and produced jointly by China and Pakistan, as well as small-bore weapons and tanks made in Pakistan...

In 2009, APA was reporting it as more or less a done deal.

So is this anything new? The JF-17 only entered service in Pakistan in 2010, and doesn't yet have a single international buyer, so it's not remarkable that Baku hasn't pulled the trigger yet. And this would seem a logical plane for them to buy, as U.S. aircraft are off the table for political reasons and buying from Russia would be difficult, given Moscow's alliance with Armenia (the recent S-300 sale notwithstanding). All that makes Azerbaijan a good candidate to be the first air force in the Caucasus or Central Asia to buy a non-Russian aircraft. But that still could be some time away.

UPDATE: Steve Trimble of Flight Global writes in to note: "Russia could still complicate the Azerbaijani order. The JF-17 is powered by the RD-93 engine, and the only supplier is Russia. So any JF-17 deal would require compliance by Moscow." Which is a good point, though it wouldn't have quite the same symbolism as selling MiGs or Sukhois, and so the JF-17 would still be a less controversial sale.

Azerbaijan (Still) Kicking Tires On Chinese-Pakistani Fighter Jets | EurasiaNet.org

 

[Donatello]

Whole lot of Indians getting banned because of their denial about JF-17's reality...is it really worth it guys?

 

[Areesh]

BAF's future platforms chalked out by AM BAF
6 Squadrons to be raised
3 will be airdefence
2 will be multirole
1 will be maritime strike

future platforms include F-16,Mig-29SMT, Su-30 and SAAB Grippen (does not include JFT) The selection process is in progress for last two years..... (source JDW)

I told you they won't go for JFT.

3 will be airdefence

Can someone tell me more about these air defense squadrons? What are they procuring for them?

 

[Strigon]

Whole lot of Indians getting banned because of their denial about JF-17's reality...is it really worth it guys?

If anything, people here get banned for trolling be it Indian or Pakistani. This forum is meant to be a place of discussion about real world events happening.

People fill out their ban application when they take or give personal remarks and some how become world leaders speaking on behalf of a country.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Azerbaijan (Still) Kicking Tires On Chinese-Pakistani Fighter Jets

Azerbaijan seems to be looking seriously at rejuvenating its air force with Chinese-Pakistani fighter jets, the state news agency APA reports. They cite a source from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, one of the builders of the aircraft, at the big Dubai air show:

Members of the Azerbaijani delegation watched the JF-17's demonstration flights at the airshow, the PAC officials said.

They said that several rounds of discussions had been held with the Azerbaijani side, but that talks had yet to reach the purchase and sale stage. They said that the initial size of the order had been determined, however. PAC is meeting orders from Pakistan’s Air Forces at present and would be able to meet an Azerbaijani order in the next few years.

This is not news, exactly; Azerbaijan has been talking about this for at least four years. To quote from a news story then:

In the spring of 2007, at the international military exhibition IDEAS in Dubai, the Azerbaijani side became interested in the multi-functional JF-17 fighter developed and produced jointly by China and Pakistan, as well as small-bore weapons and tanks made in Pakistan...

In 2009, APA was reporting it as more or less a done deal.

So is this anything new? The JF-17 only entered service in Pakistan in 2010, and doesn't yet have a single international buyer, so it's not remarkable that Baku hasn't pulled the trigger yet. And this would seem a logical plane for them to buy, as U.S. aircraft are off the table for political reasons and buying from Russia would be difficult, given Moscow's alliance with Armenia (the recent S-300 sale notwithstanding). All that makes Azerbaijan a good candidate to be the first air force in the Caucasus or Central Asia to buy a non-Russian aircraft. But that still could be some time away.

UPDATE: Steve Trimble of Flight Global writes in to note: "Russia could still complicate the Azerbaijani order. The JF-17 is powered by the RD-93 engine, and the only supplier is Russia. So any JF-17 deal would require compliance by Moscow." Which is a good point, though it wouldn't have quite the same symbolism as selling MiGs or Sukhois, and so the JF-17 would still be a less controversial sale.

Azerbaijan (Still) Kicking Tires On Chinese-Pakistani Fighter Jets | EurasiaNet.org

JF17 is no more dependent on RD93

 

[salvage]

if iran wants to buy this plane,will we give it to them?