Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

[Doctor09]

Dec 23/09: Myanmar (ex-Burma) reportedly buys 20 MiG-29s from Russia, preferring them over Chinese options that are said to have included the JF-17/ FC-1. Read “More MiG-29s for Myanmar.”


“A Russian aircraft industry source said the FC-1 is inferior to MiG-29 in performance, but sells for about $10 million, while the price of a MiG-29 is about $35 mln. MiG-29s are currently competing with FC-1s in an Egyptian tender on the delivery of 32 fighters. In addition, Egypt has launched negotiations with Pakistan on the licensed production of FC-1 aircraft. Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) approved the re-export of RD-93 engines to Egypt as part of the FC-1 fighter package in November 2007.”

you are funny first you people bring LCA tejas in comparison with JF 17 and now you bring mig 29 ...... you are really funny man
some people are suffering from inborn error of trolling

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Dec 23/09: Myanmar (ex-Burma) reportedly buys 20 MiG-29s from Russia, preferring them over Chinese options that are said to have included the JF-17/ FC-1. Read “More MiG-29s for Myanmar.”


“A Russian aircraft industry source said the FC-1 is inferior to MiG-29 in performance, but sells for about $10 million, while the price of a MiG-29 is about $35 mln. MiG-29s are currently competing with FC-1s in an Egyptian tender on the delivery of 32 fighters. In addition, Egypt has launched negotiations with Pakistan on the licensed production of FC-1 aircraft. Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) approved the re-export of RD-93 engines to Egypt as part of the FC-1 fighter package in November 2007.”

Alot of BS!
Provide a link!
The source is russian? lol the head of Mig corporation himself stated JFT "extremely close" to mig-29 in 2008 or so...

2)Russian propoganda.

3)They went for the migs in 2009?? they already operated migs.

4)The stated price is BS.... Its price is around 25 million$ for basic chinese version and depends of the buyers... What they want basis!

5)JF-17 is superior to mig-29 on specs.

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Thats nothing compared to LCA it is well known that JF block 1 is all metal well most of it and has has 0 exports

True u cant compare a paper jet to a real one!

Its a new plane... and according to Nabil...not confirmed... Qatar is negotiatin for 20 jets... same goes for egypt... and 4 other countries.

As for composites see the pic i posted.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Paper plane exist only on paper u sound about 10 yrs old kid you the same guy who said russia does not fly sukhoi 30's i remember you

Yes im.... how many SU-30s not su-27s etc... does russia operate? wiki says 7-9..lol

[/COLOR]Pakistan & China’s JF-17 Fighter Program
LOL @ ur source: stuck-in-sichuan-pakistani-jf17-program-grounded

here is the source go knock yourself out

Couldnt find the exact propoganda piece.. here is what Migs head said few years back!:

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...7MG9Dg&usg=AFQjCNHarxKgB2Zw4jtpb7BgwncUbJ5_xw

JF17 = 0 exports even Burma refused it and went for the Mig 29 good choice

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...urWzDg&usg=AFQjCNFqTapDQaIHGl5XLSV4o2fZBlIrjg

Cry me a river.

 

[Andross]

Yes im.... how many SU-30s not su-27s etc... does russia operate? wiki says 7-9..lol



Couldnt find the exact propoganda piece.. here is what Migs head said few years back!:

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...7MG9Dg&usg=AFQjCNHarxKgB2Zw4jtpb7BgwncUbJ5_xw


http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...urWzDg&usg=AFQjCNFqTapDQaIHGl5XLSV4o2fZBlIrjg

Cry me a river.

Russian MiG-29 Jets 'Attack' China in Myanmar - English pravda.ru

Bottom line JF17 has no exports as of yet even China has not ordered any for the time being wake me up when it is exported

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Russia will deliver 20 MiG-29 fighter jets to the Air Force of Myanmar (Burma). The deal is evaluated at nearly $600 million. Burma preferred Russia’s renowned jets to China, although its J-10 and FC-1 fighters are cheaper.


Of course this is Russian news but Burma went for the Mig 29 for a reason they thought it was a better jet

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Russian MiG-29 Jets 'Attack' China in Myanmar - English pravda.ru

Bottom line JF17 has no exports as of yet even China has not ordered any for the time being wake me up when it is exported

Like we care abt some indian... our yearly weapons exports r still more than indias...lol.... Im sure JF-17 will sell like hot cake... its a new plane with just 2 or 3 sqds in active service.. maturing ... yet countries r showing interest n inshallah will buy it... and u will remain burning.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Okay they will buy it as you claim its a great plane and yes you export more now sleep in peace

Why would i be burning? we going to get MRCA which will be better in every way

You guys run out of arguments so easily... Just look at ur posts.... :

BS like:
Price.
LCA
myanmar.
su-30 in russian service.
Blog.
Mig chiefs statements.
etc etc.

Thanks for wasting bandwidth n increasing my post count..LOL

Abt planes we exported in past:
Super Mushak
Mushak
Korakoram trainers...

Next:
JF-17!

Deal with it.

 

[Andross]

The JF-17/FC-1 is a sub-$20 million fighter designed as a co-operative venture between Pakistan and China to replace Chinese A-5C (massively modified MiG-19), F-7P (MiG-21+), and French Mirage 3/5 aircraft in Pakistan’s fleet. China also has options to produce them, but has made no firm decisions and seems unenthusiastic. It’s a comparable peer for India’s still-under-development LCA Tejas, Taiwan’s ****-1 Ching Kuo fighters, and South Korea’s F/A-50 Golden Eagle supersonic trainer & light fighter.


Pakistan & China’s JF-17 Fighter Program

 

[graphican]

Title: More MiG-29s for Myanmar
URL: More MiG-29s for Myanmar

Myanmar’s air force ordered 12 MiG-29Bs from Russia in 2001, ......

The Russian bid reportedly beat a Chinese offer to supply 4+ generation J-10/ FC-20 fighters, or the cheaper JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder lightweight fighter. Implicitly, it also edged out neighboring Malaysia, who is preparing to sell its MiG-29N fleet at a discounted price. This is good news for RAC-MiG, whose financial troubles and low order volume led to a shotgun merger with Russia’s state-owned United Aircraft Corporation, government bailouts, and doubts about the long-term future of its technologies.

Myanmar operates MIGs already and inducing more planes as compared to inducing a new platform is cheaper. Also don't over look that russia beated price of Chinese and even used price of Malaysian Aircraft to be able to obtain this order. Its not a comparison between MIG or JFT, Myanmar went for price and reasons it was already operating MIGs.

Now who is forcing Egypt or Azerbaijan and other counters around the world to go for JFT? When you compare JFT to MIGs on performance and price, JFT beats it but when you add additional factors including previously operated jets and cost of inducting a new platform, that makes calculations different.

I hope you won't troll on that post again.

 

[Andross]

Title: More MiG-29s for Myanmar
URL: More MiG-29s for Myanmar

Myanmar’s air force ordered 12 MiG-29Bs from Russia in 2001, ......

The Russian bid reportedly beat a Chinese offer to supply 4+ generation J-10/ FC-20 fighters, or the cheaper JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder lightweight fighter. Implicitly, it also edged out neighboring Malaysia, who is preparing to sell its MiG-29N fleet at a discounted price. This is good news for RAC-MiG, whose financial troubles and low order volume led to a shotgun merger with Russia’s state-owned United Aircraft Corporation, government bailouts, and doubts about the long-term future of its technologies.

Myanmar operates MIGs already and inducing more planes as compared to inducing a new platform is cheaper. Also don't over look that russia beated price of Chinese and even used price of Malaysian Aircraft to be able to obtain this order. Its not a comparison between MIG or JFT, Myanmar went for price and reasons it was already operating MIGs.

Now who is forcing Egypt or Azerbaijan and other counters around the world to go for JFT? When you compare JFT to MIGs on performance and price, JFT beats it but when you add additional factors including previously operated jets and cost of inducting a new platform, that makes calculations different.

I hope you won't troll on that post again.

whose financial troubles and low order volume led to a shotgun merger with Russia’s state-owned United Aircraft Corporation, government bailouts, and doubts about the long-term future of its technologies.


Everyone knows this! this is old news but still they picked Mig 29 over Chinese jets

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If i were Egypt and i was offered the Mig 29 SMT and the JF17 i know which id go for

 

[Emmie]

The JF-17/FC-1 is a sub-$20 million fighter designed as a co-operative venture between Pakistan and China to replace Chinese A-5C (massively modified MiG-19), F-7P (MiG-21+), and French Mirage 3/5 aircraft in Pakistan’s fleet. China also has options to produce them, but has made no firm decisions and seems unenthusiastic. It’s a comparable peer for India’s still-under-development LCA Tejas, Taiwan’s ****-1 Ching Kuo fighters, and South Korea’s F/A-50 Golden Eagle supersonic trainer & light fighter.


Pakistan & China’s JF-17 Fighter Program

Yara is it really a rocket science to understand the category of JFT? Its a lightweight multi-role aircraft and so is the Tejas, so what?

In MMRCA competition you were offered F16, F18, Mig-35, Rafale, EF... Now all of them were MMRCA but only EF and Rafale made the cut to the shortlist, why? Thats certainly because other were not up to the mark in your opinion... By logic can't this distinction be applied between JFT and Tejas? See its very simple I hope you'll get it.

 

[Donatello]

JF-17 is for poor countries. Countries which can't afford expensive good jetfighter.... But m shocked that burma choosed mig29 because mig29 is expensive and burma is poor.... That shows that even poor nation wants safety first.... By the way pakistan's best jetfighter is F-16 and it would be F-16 for long time. Any chinese jet fighter wont give pakistan safety. Pak needs top class jet fighters.

I see you are new here.

Kindly refrain from posting such poorly researched posts here.

 

[Andross]

FC-1 design

China signed an agreement with Pakistan in May 2011 to supply 50 additional JF-17 thunder jets to replace the ageing MiG-21 and Northrop F-5 Tiger fighter aircraft.

Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute designed the FC-1. The airframe is a semi-monocoque structure and is constructed principally of aluminium alloys, steel and titanium. The aircraft comprises lateral air intakes and electronic equipment pod diffuser supersonic inlets.


Development

"The JF-17 was built mainly to meet the needs of the PAF and will replace its ageing fleet."

Development of the JF-17 began with the origination of Super-7 in 1986 under a $500m joint Chengdu-Grumman development project, but the project was cancelled for financial and political reasons.

Chengdu continued the development of Super-7 in 1991 under the brand name FC-1 / JF-17. Pakistan and China signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) in 1995 to build the aircraft. In 1998, the countries signed a Letter of Intent and the contract was awarded in June 1999.

To speed up development, the avionics and radar systems design of the aircraft was separated from the airframes. The preliminary design was completed in 2001 and the detailed structure in 2002. Funding for the programme was provided by China Aviation Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and Pakistan, each owning a 50% stake.

Development of the first prototype began in September 2002 and production was completed in May 2003. Design flaws of the JF-17 were identified after its first flight in 2003. After a significant redesign the fourth prototype production was completed in April 2006. The sixth prototype first flew in September 2006.

Sub-assemblies of the JF-17 started in Pakistan on 22 January 2008 and final assembly began in June 2009. PAC is producing 15 aircraft per year and is expected to increase production to 25 per year from 2011.



FC-1 Xiaolong / JF-17 Thunder, China / Pakistan - Airforce Technology

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So yes Tejas can easily be compared to the JF17 plane anyone who says otherwise has their head up their ***

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Delta platform design

The aircraft is of delta platform design with shoulder-mounted delta wings. The aircraft has a fin but no horizontal tail. Lightweight materials including aluminium and lithium alloys, titanium alloys and carbon composites have been used in the construction. The wing structure includes composite spares and ribs with a carbon fibre-reinforced plastic skin.

The National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), based in Bangalore, has designed and is responsible for the manufacture of the fin and the rudder and the construction of the aircraft fuselage.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hi, not to feed the trolls, but the decision by Burma not to buy the JF-17 or J-10 was more of a political one. A similar logic was used in the recent decision by Burma to stop China from building a dam in northern Burma. Burma is trying to step outside the sphere of China's influence, but then I digress. I will not waste my time on LCA versus whatever...

Burma is not a rich country and they cannot afford several different brands of aircrafts since they lready have Mig-29.

So better to stick with one which you are most familiarized with it.

 

[graphican]

What an illogical stance you have taken. Egyptian Air Force is the 4th largest operator of F-16's in the world and they are not short of American or European hardware as an option.. also don't over look they are looking to induct JFT in 100s and rather want to join-in the development and R&D further together with China and Pakistan. Now you have option to go and start criticizing Egypt for they being a bad decission makers or poor economy or find another "reason" to back but reality stays that Egypt is neither short of options nor they are refused by any country to buy weapons.

For your satisfaction, just go through list of aircrafts which they are operating already and that include American Aircrafts, Russian Aircrafts, French Aircrafts already.. too bad they still opted for poor trainner JFT when all good guys are ready to sell their best tech to them. Now come towards "poor economy" thing to back your stance or put your socks in mouth and try to learn before speaking next time.

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

wow that was indeed a bit harsh dont u think super duper monkey i mean the only reason i visit this thread is because on indian forum they call us the bloody donkeys and if we start going for monkeys stuff i think the quality of pdf is gonna go way down so plz be civil even if it really tempting to abuse