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Exiled Muslim Brotherhood leaders would be welcome in Turkey: Erdogan

Interesting.
Do you have anything besides photos to show what early Saudi Arabia was like?

Perhaps King Faisal was responding to the rabid mentality of Leftists? By 1968, there was world-wide unrest against governments and their leaders.

Good luck finding any of that, my Grandmother told me this as she had lived during that time, and was there during the siege of Makkah by King Abdulaziz, same was told by an old man aged 90 something who is our neighbour in the clan village to the letter. Besides old people's word of mouth anything other than the narrative has been purged completely. I just fear that there would be no one to document this before the generation that lived this dies off completely.
 
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Here are pictures of Saudi Arabia before housing the Muslim Brotherhood:

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So all in all, Good Luck in your pro-brotherhood endeavours.

Arent those photos of a minority secular pampered elite rather then the average saudi

I can post pictures of liberal Pakistanis but that wont change the fact that most of the country is conservative
 
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Arent those photos of a minority secular pampered elite rather then the average saudi

I can post pictures of liberal Pakistanis but that wont change the fact that most of the country is conservative

Nope, that was KSA before the Sahwah movement led by the MB in the 60s. My mother tells me every now and then how she used to love going to the movies every weekend when she was young in Makkah, before they closed all of them down. Hejaz was no different than Egypt or Syria back then, you have to keep that in mind.
 
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Nope, that was KSA before the Sahwah movement led by the MB in the 60s. My mother tells me every now and then how she used to love going to the movies every weekend when she was young in Makkah, before they closed all of them down. Hejaz was no different than Egypt or Syria back then, you have to keep that in mind.

You think this religious system will be removed in the near future ?
 
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The majority if not everybody in this forum has no idea about the history of Saudi Arabia, not at all. Not just this forum but in fact the entire world, unless you dig deep and cover old files and pictures of new articles in black and white and books long forgotten that it even existed, you will not find the true history of Saudi Arabia at all. Not even Saudis themselves are taught their own history subjectively.

When King Abdulaziz the founder of the third incarnation of the Saudi state declared the formation of the state, he wanted to follow the British experience to the letter. This included the nation to be a Secular state. This prompted a group of fighters known as the "Ikhwan" (Not to be confused with the Muslim Brotherhood, even though both of them are called Brotherhood) to revolt against King Abdulaziz because they wanted Sharia rulings. Their revolt failed and the state was established secular, part of the push to the future drive by King Abdulaziz. King Saud followed King Abdulaziz in this path after his death, however the MB infiltrated Saudi religious establishment (Which was US supported due to it being in opposition of Gamal Abdulnasser who was a Soviet ally) and with the help of King Faisal (The widely celebrated King of KSA, haha yeah right, if only people knew), dethroned King Saud for which he escaped to Egypt (Citing governmental corruption as the cause, essentially a religious coup).

King Faisal immediately invited the heavily prosecuted MB into the Kingdom, for which they gained a prominent position in the country and celebrated as religious heroes, and they started a social engineering project called (Al-Sahwah) for which we see the result of today.

Saudi Arabia in its establishment was a secular nation, King Saud was on the project of opening an elected parliament but all of that did not come to pass, and while US has its share of the blame for this, I blame the MB for enabling it, and ruining life in KSA for decades.

This is a real tragedy.

Anyway i think Erdogan wants Turkey to become like today's Saudi Arabia. I even suspect that he ordered his Consulate officials to stay put in Mosul so that they could be captured and provide him with excuse to not act against ISIS.

What say you @Kaan @Neptune and other Turks on this forum.
 
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So with this story in mind my dear Turks, what do you think of your decision to house them in your country?

Well.... if they try something in our secular country... you know, we used to hang mullahs.

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This is a real tragedy.

Anyway i think Erdogan wants Turkey to become like today's Saudi Arabia. I even suspect that he ordered his Consulate officials to stay put in Mosul so that they could be captured and provide him with excuse to not act against ISIS.

What say you @Kaan @Neptune and other Turks on this forum.

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Nope, that was KSA before the Sahwah movement led by the MB in the 60s. My mother tells me every now and then how she used to love going to the movies every weekend when she was young in Makkah, before they closed all of them down. Hejaz was no different than Egypt or Syria back then, you have to keep that in mind.

Im sorry I don't believe, that

Your mother is one person



Your using the same arguments secularists use in other countries, ie thst by in large the populations of the Muslim world have always been relatively conservative and it was only the pervasive influence of the colonial period that allowed a pampered and secular elite to go against the mores of society


Saudi Arabia also had a burden/blessing in the form of Mecca and Medina

I am all for allowing any population to determine its destiny through democracy whether that be conservative or secular aslong as its not forced

but saudi is an exceptional case due to the holy cities and cannot be allowed to go down the same track as other states like UAE
 
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Hahaha. So how will the terrorist supporting turks spin this one? They dont care? Thats the narrative. They are so fucked. Erdogon will make sure of it. He will sell them out to the muslim fundamentalists the first chance he gets. Theyve been supporting these terrorists for decades. They deserve whats coming tonthem.
 
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Well.... if they try something in our secular country... you know, we used to hang mullahs.

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You misunderstand or do not fully comprehend how the Muslim Brotherhood operates. They will not denounce Turkey's secular democratic nature directly through clerics or political mouth pieces. They will infiltrate every governmental institution, religious institution, and society itself through charities or NGOs.

In the UK they operate several NGOs that advise the government and the PM on Muslim affairs inside the UK and abroad as well as operating several Mosques. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in the UK are unaware that government policy towards them is being influenced by people who strongly support the works of Hassan Albana and Sayed Qutb let alone view Alqaradawi as a spiritual leader (who is banned from the UK).

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BMI - British Muslim Initiative

Britain to curb Muslim Brotherhood operations in London - Telegraph

Finsbury Park Mosque ‘Imprisons’ Journalist | Stand for Peace


This is a useful site to track the MB globally:

The Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Watch
 
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You misunderstand or do not fully comprehend how the Muslim Brotherhood operates. They will not denounce Turkey's secular democratic nature directly through clerics or political mouth pieces. They will infiltrate every governmental institution, religious institution, and society itself through charities or NGOs.

In the UK they operate several NGOs that advise the government and the PM on Muslim affairs inside the UK and abroad as well as operating several Mosques. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in the UK are unaware that government policy towards them is being influenced by people who strongly support the works of Hassan Albana and Sayed Qutb let alone view Alqaradawi as a father figure (who is banned from the UK).

Home

BMI - British Muslim Initiative

Britain to curb Muslim Brotherhood operations in London - Telegraph

Finsbury Park Mosque ‘Imprisons’ Journalist | Stand for Peace


This is a useful site to track the MB globally:

The Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Watch

Meh... they can't, they are not our nationals, so they can't be employed in any institutions.

Secondly, what you have described is the exact move which has been made bu "Gulen Movement", Erdogan literally destroyed their movement, erased them from every institution.

Erdogan and AKP are greedy they don't share any kind of power with anybody.

I think Erdogan thinks that he will have some influence over MB by housing their leadership. And use them as an instrument over his ME policies... we will see.
 
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This is not a good thing either.
Countries in this region have always been different shades of the same colour. Sometimes we had leaders who were secular. They did many dubious things which no righteous person would do. Now we have leaders who are inclined to religion. They are just the same. Just another shade.
 
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Modern states dont hide behind religion. Religion belongs in the Church, the Temple and the Mosque. Medievel backwards superstitious thinking has no place in modern state craft. You can have leaders who are personally religious people. But they need to be intelligent and sincere enough not to use religion to brainwash their people.

Religion is a tool. It always has been. The difference is other civilizations left that phase of their development centuries ago. Muslims still walk around with the same 1300 year old crutch.

This is not a good thing either.
Countries in this region have always been different shades of the same colour. Sometimes we had leaders who were secular. They did many dubious things which no righteous person would do. Now we have leaders who are inclined to religion. They are just the same. Just another shade.
 
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