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[fjavaid]

I don't think Pak pilots have enough mental capability nor quality training to fly this jet in its full potential..

With terrorist attacks and bomb blast going on nearly on daily basis, their mind will be occupied by whether their families are safe and thus lack of concentration on their flight...

hahahaha lolzz ...i usually dont reply to stupidity lyk that ....but the above comments was jst too much ..........had to respond ....;-))

 

[rockstarIN]

F-16 is a great platform and continue to be so for another 10-15 years, unless it is upgraded to 4.5 gen standard (much like Blk 60). The APG 68 V9 is pulse Doppler, old tech, which even rejected by Isralis in favor of their ELTA/2032(Main sensor, hybrid version, of 'Creepy' LCA MK1 )

Any further procurement of F-16 will be a waste, better to go for B-10, which is constantly upgrading with AESA.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Your posts have become more pathetic and silly by the day. THANK FULLY, the little "70" BVR-able F-16's can bring down about 70 - 100+ of your SU-30's.......when you can change that....may be you can write something that actually makes sense.

And what do you base your fantasy logic on?

I would have still taken you seriously if you quoted 70 falcons vs 70 flankers, but 70 falcons shooting down 100 flankers is the stuff sunny deol does in bollywood. Talk sense, not childish rhetoric.

 

[Viper0011.]

And what do you base your fantasy logic on?

I would have still taken you seriously if you quoted 70 falcons vs 70 flankers, but 70 falcons shooting down 100 flankers is the stuff sunny deol does in bollywood. Talk sense, not childish rhetoric.

You couldn't just let it go, you HAD to come back and put Indian imaginary and comical supremacy in there right?? If you take 70 F-16's in a defensive role, meaning light weight with just AMRAAMS and Sidewinders, they'll hold anyone down coming in with bigger offensive loads. As an aggressor, you'll be dealing with about three layers of SAMS, then the F-16's, then the JFT and then point defense F-7's etc. And you don't think you can lose just a 100 SU-30??? Why do you think your Hindu extremist BJP along with Hind terrorist outfits like RSS and Shiv Sena haven't decided to attack Pakistan?

Its because every time they meet with your generals, they are told the truth about expecting losses....and there are a lot of them. Sorry, reality sucks and bites!

 

[Indian Patriot]

You couldn't just let it go, you HAD to come back and put Indian imaginary and comical supremacy in there right?? If you take 70 F-16's in a defensive role, meaning light weight with just AMRAAMS and Sidewinders, they'll hold anyone down coming in with bigger offensive loads. As an aggressor, you'll be dealing with about three layers of SAMS, then the F-16's, then the JFT and then point defense F-7's etc. And you don't think you can lose just a 100 SU-30??? Why do you think your Hindu extremist BJP along with Hind terrorist outfits like RSS and Shiv Sena haven't decided to attack Pakistan?

Its because every time they meet with your generals, they are told the truth about expecting losses....and there are a lot of them. Sorry, reality sucks and bites!

Don't get so excited, take a deep breath and live in reality. It is you who is nursing imaginary PAF superiority over IAF and a scenario where 70 falcons will shoot down 100 plus flankers from the sky. You pakistanis have a fertile imagination for sure. But you never mentioned HOW it would be possible to achieve the feat. How do the two aircraft fare against each other in payload, range, speed, agility, radar and other avionics. You have not even skimmed over these issues.

You said 70 falcons now you are bringing JFT, SAM, F-7 "etc." into the equation. And PAF has Alladin's magic lamp that they won't suffer any losses even when they go against the flanker, and a 100 flankers at that? Do you even have a goddamed idea of the flanker radar's range? Do you have any idea what the term "tactics" mean? And what will the AWACS be doing, sitting around and surfing facebook?

USA has not attacked North Korea, so north korean fighters are better than USAF F-16s by that logic. India has not attacked pakistan because of nukes. Pakistan is an impoverished country with no future. A nuclear war will only release pakistan from their agony as they embrace the death and destruction. India on the other hand has a lot to loose.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Viper0011.

The F 16 will not be able to patrol all the 3400 KM of Your border on a 24 /7 basis

They cannot prevent IAF fighter sweep operations

It will be battle of attrition and the smaller force will diminish much faster

 

[Indian Patriot]

@Viper0011.

The F 16 will not be able to patrol all the 3400 KM of Your border on a 24 /7 basis

They cannot prevent IAF fighter sweep operations

It will be battle of attrition and the smaller force will diminish much faster

Firstly lets give credit where credit is due. The F-16 is a damn good aircraft, especially the block 52 and advanced models.

Having said that the PAF is technically and numerically inferior to India. It won't be a battle of attrition, it would be a rout for PAF.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

It won't be a battle of attrition, it would be a rout for PAF.

Sshh ; You should control your feelings and your words or else

BTW I did not talk of the RATE or speed of attrition

 

[Indian Patriot]

Sshh ; You should control your feelings and your words

What wrong did I say?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

What wrong did I say?

You never know which word is deemed offensive by the Mods

Any way it is upto you

 

[abdulbarijan]

Don't get so excited, take a deep breath and live in reality. It is you who is nursing imaginary PAF superiority over IAF and a scenario where 70 falcons will shoot down 100 plus flankers from the sky. You pakistanis have a fertile imagination for sure. But you never mentioned HOW it would be possible to achieve the feat. How do the two aircraft fare against each other in payload, range, speed, agility, radar and other avionics. You have not even skimmed over these issues.

You said 70 falcons now you are bringing JFT, SAM, F-7 "etc." into the equation. And PAF has Alladin's magic lamp that they won't suffer any losses even when they go against the flanker, and a 100 flankers at that? Do you even have a goddamed idea of the flanker radar's range? Do you have any idea what the term "tactics" mean? And what will the AWACS be doing, sitting around and surfing facebook?

USA has not attacked North Korea, so north korean fighters are better than USAF F-16s by that logic. India has not attacked pakistan because of nukes. Pakistan is an impoverished country with no future. A nuclear war will only release pakistan from their agony as they embrace the death and destruction. India on the other hand has a lot to loose.

Wow, I mean on one hand your the one talking about how @Viper0011. didn't mention enough factors that could prove the statement that he made, on the other hand your entire argument of how such a feat cannot be achieved is based on

-"SU-30 MKI's radar range" -- which will effect the scenario how, considering Pakistan & India are in a spit range of one another, then count in the massive RCS of the flanker and then add on the RCS which will increase exponentially when you put on a heavy load of weapons practically negating the advantage the flanker gains through its PESA radar --

-"Do you have any idea what tactics mean" which obviously only the IAF can use right ??

-"What will be the AWACS doing" talking as if PAF doesn't have any AWACS at all --

So the very point that you apply to discredit his post that is "lack of scenarios and relative information" can be applied to your post, so I guess its back to square 1 again --

Lastly you compared the responses of USA against N.Korea with India's response against Pakistan after 26/11 showing us that just cuz one doesn't attack doesn't mean "a specific thing" fair point , however, I dont recall USA blaming a terrorist attack on N.Korea, every media outlet of the US supporting a war and releasing reports as to how the US would conduct its aerial strikes on N.Korea as a consequence, the highest in the political and military leadership talking about surgical strikes --- and the public narrative being "bomb the living $hit outta them" --- Only to tuck their tails between their legs, and run the other way when the opposition says " Do as you wish, you'll be responsible for the consequences though" ---

 

[Indian Patriot]

Wow, I mean on one hand your the one talking about how @Viper0011. didn't mention enough factors that could contribute to the statement that he made, on the other hand your entire argument of how such a feat cannot be achieved is based on

Obviously your statement is based on cold logic and you being a pakistani has got nothing to do with your claims.

-"SU-30 MKI's radar range" -- which will effect the scenario how, considering Pakistan & India are in a spit range of one another, then count in the massive RCS of the flanker and then add on the RCS which will increase exponentially when you put on a heavy load of weapons practically negating the advantage the flanker gains through its PESA radar --

So in your words planes can switch off their radars completely since both countries are in a "spit range of one another". The flanker radar has a range of 400 km but obviously according to you radar would be non-existent.

And did you forget the flankers IRST? I forgot, such things don't even matter. The policy of "see first, shoot first" is not applicable here because in your fantasy scenario radars would be useless.

-"Do you have any idea what tactics mean" which obviously only the IAF can use since Pakistan is a state of impoverished people and all --

No doubt here that pakistan is a poor country but I am sure the PAF still can fly. And which kind of tactics allows PAF to shoot down 100+ flankers using only 70 falcons? Spell out the tactics or just stay shut.

-"What will be the AWACS doing" talking as if PAF doesn't have any AWACS at all --

First you say radars are useless, then you say PAF also has AWACS. You are a confused man.

So the very point that you apply to discredit his post that is "lack of scenarios and relative information" can be applied to your post, so I guess its back to square 1 again --

You are still to explain how 70 falcons can take down 100+ flankers. Post again, this time with more effort. Hurry up.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Obviously your statement is based on cold logic and you being a pakistani has got nothing to do with your claims.



So in your words planes can switch off their radars completely since both countries are in a "spit range of one another". The flanker radar has a range of 400 km but obviously according to you radar would be non-existent.

And did you forget the flankers IRST? I forgot, such things don't even matter. The policy of "see first, shoot first" is not applicable here because in your fantasy scenario radars would be useless.



No doubt here that pakistan is a poor country but I am sure the PAF still can fly. And which kind of tactics allows PAF to shoot down 100+ flankers using only 70 falcons? Spell out the tactics or just stay shut.



First you say radars are useless, then you say PAF also has AWACS. You are a confused man.



You are still to explain how 70 falcons can take down 100+ flankers. Post again, this time with more effort. Hurry up.

I would've given you a response but I don't think that I even need to now considering the fact that pointing out the factors such as RCS of flankers and the close physical proximity of both countries is interpreted by you as " Planes can switch off their radars "

How does the close proximity of both the countries negate the advantage of radars? Is the law of physics different in Pakistan?

Yes ofcourse the laws of physics are different in Pakistan -- happy now

So you have absolutely no idea why the close proximity of both the countries would negate the radar advantage. But since you had to troll so you did.

Okay then, since you wanna play let me just construct a situation for you, lets suppose you have a scope which enables you to see and target accurately up to a Km, I have one that enables me 500 m, we're both present within 200m's of each other -- so tell me what advantage does your scope give you when I can see you and you can see me --

Having said that the PAF is technically and numerically inferior to India. It won't be a battle of attrition, it would be a rout for PAF.

Lastly, I'd like you to take your own advise and

"Spell out the tactics or just stay shut."
"Post again, this time with more effort. Hurry up."

 

[Indian Patriot]

I would've given you a response but I don't think that I even need to now considering the fact that pointing out the factors such as RCS of flankers and the close physical proximity of both countries is interpreted by you as " Planes can switch off their radars "

How does the close proximity of both the countries negate the advantage of radars? Is the law of physics different in Pakistan?

Yes ofcourse the laws of physics are different in Pakistan -- happy now

So you have absolutely no idea why the close proximity of both the countries would negate the radar advantage. But since you had to troll so you did.

 

[Syed Hussain]

Saeghe 2 is not what I meant, saeghe 2 is simply the 2 seat version of Saeghe.few weeks ago a new photo was published that indicates saeghe has became operational completely and feature new upgrades including advanced sensors and a data link.it uses a digital cockpit as well.well it is not in par with your falcons nor Indian flankers.but for sure -apart from air superiority role- it can handle all the needed tasks including pin-point strike.for this period this is enough.
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Still be proud of it, for you are the only muslim nation to have built and made operational a fighter jet completely on your own.
It's always difficult in the start but once the basic skills are mastered then they can be manipulated in any way needed. A vivid example of China is there in front.
here is a click of Saeqeh-2