Exclusive: US intel shows Saudi Arabia escalated its missile program with help from China

[raptor22]

Saddam had a lot of resources and Iraq was rich.. it got some support.. but that is because of the Iranian revolution export attempts in the whole region.. that is a fact perpetrated till now..

You were talking about scuds.. how could Iraq have 500 scuds in the 80s?

And then.."the UNSCR 2231 which was passed back in 2015 has removed the prohibition which means none of Iran's missile tests are against int. law or any resolution ..."
"whom in your view has been crying over the proliferation of ballistic missile technology in the region": The US democrats.. and they are still crying now about KSA program..so the argument is basically true..


They try to milk a camel.. do not try the same..


Don't worry about the Arabs my friend.. most of them have an arms industry where they make own munitions and spare parts, they also diversify their sources of weapons, this is quite generalized in the Arab world..
- The Egyptians were the first to use ATGMs heavy force grinding down a western army (the Usraeli one) in 1973 Ramadan war..
- developing the broad mosaic doctrine to deter/defeat a technologically superior foe: that too, the Egyptian did in the 1973 war..
- assymetric naval capabilities that hold the US navy by the balls in Persian gulf:Egypt was the first to do it in 1967..read about the sinking of the Eilat destroyer by an Egyptian missile boat..( first time in history where missiles were used against warships)

So basically all what you are claiming to be first in use ..was done by Egypt..between 1967 and 1973..

The 4 year war in Yemen have costed both KSA and UAE less than $4 billion..and another $4-5 billion in aid to Yemen.. Don't confuse arms procurements spread on the next 8 years (the $110) with cost of war in Yemen..they are not related..

Clearly Saddam bought them from Soviet Union but later on Saddam developed his own Al Hussein with higher ranges to target cities deep inside of Iran like Tehran and Isfahan ..

And yes if providing a maniac with billions of low-interest loans (80 billion $), manpower, airspace and sea port weapons and all others is "some" then we could call it "some support" .. for God sake French pilots next Egyptian pilots attacked Iran ... 100 K Iranian were killed just by chemical weapons ... and you call it some???

In nutshell Iran didn't fight Saddam .. it fought WW3.


And on removing prohibition, as I said 1929 which prohibited Iran missile program was passed due to Iran nuclear program .. and base on that & John Kerry the secretary of state:

"...Number two, and this is very important, the United Nations Resolution 1929, which is the resolution that basically brings us here and set in motion the sanctions, says specifically that if Iran comes to negotiate – not even get a deal, but comes to negotiate – sanctions would be lifted. We’re not doing that with respect to the arms embargo, even though not only have they come to the negotiation, they have in fact negotiated a deal.."​

So as we had a deal consequently all sanctions imposed due to nuclear program had to be removed (including missile) so again it's ain't crying or not crying over the proliferation of ballistic missile technology in the region it was the UNSC 1929 you referred to as basis of your argument...

On the other hand since then we've been under heavy pressure either under Democrats or Republican to negotiate over our missile program .. the same Kerry:

"...As such, a number of U.S. sanctions will remain in place, including those related to terrorism, human rights, and ballistic missiles..."
​

So again the argument is basically false ...
And again don't drag Iran in every decision you make ...

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

We likely have the most advanced ballistic missile program in the region given our collaborations, military budget and the fact that this is a work in progress for well over 3 decades now. Unlike certain other failed entities to the east we do not boost, make fake claims nor parade anything other than what we had 30 years ago. There is total secrecy. As it should be. Cooperation with Pakistan dates back to pre-nuclear Pakistan and people can make their own conclusions.

 

[Mithridates]

We likely have the most advanced ballistic missile program in the region given our collaborations, military budget and the fact that this is a work in progress for well over 3 decades now. Unlike certain other failed entities to the east we do not boost, make fake claims nor parade anything other than what we had 30 years ago. There is total secrecy. As it should be. Cooperation with Pakistan dates back to pre-nuclear Pakistan and people can make their own conclusions.

why there is a total secrecy?? like you said your adversaries are backward failed states with fake claims.
the secrecy would make sense for a country that it's adversary is an economic and industrial power (like how things are between iran and US) but that does not go for your concept of secrecy against a failed state.

 

[The SC]

Clearly Saddam bought them from Soviet Union but later on Saddam developed his own Al Hussein with higher ranges to target cities deep inside of Iran like Tehran and Isfahan ..
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And yes if providing a maniac with billions of low-interest loans (80 billion $), manpower, airspace and sea port weapons and all others is "some" then we could call it "some support" .. for God sake French pilots next Egyptian pilots attacked Iran ... 100 K Iranian were killed just by chemical weapons ... and you call it some???
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In nutshell Iran didn't fight Saddam .. it fought WW3.


And on removing prohibition, as I said 1929 which prohibited Iran missile program was passed due to Iran nuclear program .. and base on that & John Kerry the secretary of state:

"...Number two, and this is very important, the United Nations Resolution 1929, which is the resolution that basically brings us here and set in motion the sanctions, says specifically that if Iran comes to negotiate – not even get a deal, but comes to negotiate – sanctions would be lifted. We’re not doing that with respect to the arms embargo, even though not only have they come to the negotiation, they have in fact negotiated a deal.."​

So as we had a deal consequently all sanctions imposed due to nuclear program had to be removed (including missile) so again it's ain't crying or not crying over the proliferation of ballistic missile technology in the region it was the UNSC 1929 you referred to as basis of your argument...

On the other hand since then we've been under heavy pressure either under Democrats or Republican to negotiate over our missile program .. the same Kerry:

"...As such, a number of U.S. sanctions will remain in place, including those related to terrorism, human rights, and ballistic missiles..."
​

So again the argument is basically false ...
And again don't drag Iran in every decision you make ...

The US Secretary of State in response to the attempt to demonize the missile program:
Most of the countries developing missile programs are due to Iran's development of its missile program under the umbrella of the nuclear deal.
"They are doing what needs to be done to create deterrence tools to their advantage"
It is the truth!!

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

why there is a total secrecy?? like you said your adversaries are backward failed states with fake claims.
the secrecy would make sense for a country that it's adversary is an economic and industrial power (like how things are between iran and US) but that does not go for your concept of secrecy against a failed state.

Only countries who have something to hide (we all know why that is and why your country is in the situation it is - complete mess especially economically while thinking that you have "won" something in Syria when it is all the work of the Syrian Arab Army fighting for their own country and Russia, just like your Mullah lot believe that you magically saved 12 million big Baghdad from 5.000 Daesh fighters hiding in Al-Nasr Wal Salam)

This barking (fake) against the US is what it is. When Iraq was giving you a beating you ran to them and Israel. Yet to fight the US for 40+ years. Cooperated in Afghanistan and Iraq. Sanctions against North Korea are 100 times worse and unlike you they managed to create a genuine ballistic missile program with a much greater outreach and nuclear weapons. Even when they are helping you greatly (North Korea) you seem to fail.

30 years ago we had more powerful missiles than what you have today. 30 years later you can only imagine what we have in store given our military budget and our powerful allies. You must be stupid to thing that we have looked silently.

We don't parade our military secrets. Nor disclose whether we have a nuclear pact with Pakistan or others. Or disclose our most likely 100 secret bases. This is not a new thing. We have been working on this before you started your work.

Not even the US realized that we bought what we did from China in the 1980's. Nor Mossad. Nor M16.

Stick to making retarded maps of KSA and thinking that you can even conquer 1 tiny mm of Arab land. All you can do is to meddle in a few Arab states that are in civil war. Only that but even there you fail as Russia runs the show in Syria now and Iraq is not your colony unlike what retarded Iranians here believe who live in their own fantasy world.
Remember, you are a tiny bug in comparison to us Arabs. Arab countries on the Arabian Peninsula alone are enough to defend ourselves from you and inflict terrible harm on your country if you try something stupid. We already did it once and changed your entity forever. Changes that have lasted for more than 50% of your recorded history. It would be a very bad idea to try again when all the odds are even in much greater favor to us Arabs.

Once again the Arabs of Al-Ahwaz will have to save you as against Iraq. First line of defense. This time around (after 40 years of oppression) not all of them will be as eager. Might very well join us in case of a conflict like they already do publicly by singing in favor of us as can be seen on social media on a monthly basis.

 

[Mithridates]

Only countries who have something to hide (we all know why that is and why your country is in the situation it is - complete mess especially economically while thinking that you have "won" something in Syria when it is all the work of the Syrian Arab Army fighting for their own country and Russia, just like your Mullah lot believe that you magically saved 12 million big Baghdad from 5.000 Daesh fighters hiding in Al-Nasr Wal Salam)

This barking (fake) against the US is what it is. When Iraq was giving you a beating you ran to them and Israel. Yet to fight the US for 40+ years. Cooperated in Afghanistan and Iraq. Sanctions against North Korea are 100 times worse and unlike you they managed to create a genuine ballistic missile program with a much greater outreach and nuclear weapons. Even when they are helping you greatly (North Korea) you seem to fail.

30 years ago we had more powerful missiles than what you have today. 30 years later you can only imagine what we have in store given our military budget and our powerful allies. You must be stupid to thing that we have looked silently.

We don't parade our military secrets. Nor disclose whether we have a nuclear pact with Pakistan or others. Or disclose our most likely 100 secret bases. This is not a new thing. We have been working on this before you started your work.

Not even the US realized that we bought what we did from China in the 1980's. Nor Mossad. Nor M16.

Stick to making retarded maps of KSA and thinking that you can even conquer 1 tiny mm of Arab land. All you can do is to meddle in a few Arab states that are in civil war. Only that but even there you fail as Russia runs the show in Syria now and Iraq is not your colony unlike what retarded Iranians here believe who live in their own fantasy world.
Remember, you are a tiny bug in comparison to us Arabs. Arab countries on the Arabian Peninsula alone are enough to defend ourselves from you and inflict terrible harm on your country if you try something stupid. We already did it once and changed your entity forever. Changes that have lasted for more than 50% of your recorded history. It would be a very bad idea to try again when all the odds are even in much greater favor to us Arabs.

Once again the Arabs of Al-Ahwaz will have to say you as against Iraq. First line of defense. This time around (after 40 years of oppression) not all of them will be as eager. Might very well join us in case of a conflict like they already do publicly by singing in favor of us as can be seen on social media on a monthly basis.

lol seems like you kept this words in your heart for long time, don't be shy you can talk to me.
so now that you are relieved, can you please explain why you don't show us your super missiles and military bases??

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

lol seems like you kept this words in your heart for long time, don't be shy you can talk to me.
so now that you are relieved, can you please explain why you don't show us your super missiles and military bases??

Not at all. Wrote it within 5 minutes. Just saw some of your retarded posts on this forum a while ago after not visiting this place for ages.

Because no sane country is displaying their state secrets in public. It would be an own goal. That and KSA always being a secretive state since forever. Unlike the bombastic "Islamic Republic" of Iran that started its career by getting the attention of everyone by abducting that US embassy staff and other retarded and unnecessary stunts.

As for chemical weapons, a country with such a sophisticated petrochemical sector like KSA (largest in the world) can make chemical weapons within seconds if such a need arrises.

Same with nuclear weapons given the infrastructure that KSA is building up, local uranium extraction (phosphate as well which can also be turned into uranium), 16 nuclear reactors being built in the next 10-15 years etc.

So no, your missiles might hurt us (forget that we have a much better protection in the form of the Patriot, THAAD (very soon) and S-400 etc.) but ours will hurt you too. Destroy our facilities and yours will be gone too. You seem to think that it will be a one-way street. I am not even talking about our allies which are 1000 times greater than your allies. Do you even have any other than some rag-tag Arab Shia militias who will betray you within 1 second if it will suit them? You think that Hezbollah will fight the US in case of a war or attack Makkah, Madinah or KSA, lol?

Anyway there will be no war as it is not in the interests of either country and everyone else in the region will win in this case.

 

[Mithridates]

As for chemical weapons, a country with such a sophisticated petrochemical sector like KSA (largest in the world) can make chemical weapons within seconds if such a need arrises.

i did not asked about about CWs, you said you guys have 100 secret bases around the world.

your missiles might hurt us

they are not meant to hurt our adversaries, they are our tools to project power. to be honest i don't know why saudis are investing in BMs, iran did that because it's only way to counter US and it's allies.

Do you even have any other than some rag-tag Arab Shia militias who will betray you within 1 second if it will suit them? You think that Hezbollah will fight the US in case of a war or attack Makkah, Madinah or KSA, lol?

they did fight US in the past. why you guys think that we will attack mecca and medina i wonder.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

i did not asked about about CWs, you said you guys have 100 secret bases around the world.

they are not meant to hurt our adversaries, they are our tools to project power. to be honest i don't know why saudis are investing in BMs, iran did that because it's only way to counter US and it's allies.

they did fight US in the past. why you guys think that we will attack mecca and medina i wonder.

I said within KSA. Anyway we have military bases in Djibouti, Somalia (Somaliland), Eritrea, Yemen and probably elsewhere. Some say Eastern Syria.

Because of deference and because we ultimately want to have nuclear bombs. Similar as you. Actively working towards that. That is our right as long as Israel and others ave them.

US, yes. Have any of those proxies ever thought other Arab countries and fellow Arabs? You really think that an Southern Iraqi Shia from Karbala, Najaf or Samawah next door (the same people as in KSA next door, same tribes, clans, related, relatives living on both sides of the border) will kill Saudi Arabians just because they disagree with the House of Saud (who are now pro-Iraq and Iraq is now pro-KSA) because you (Iran) tell them to? That never happened. Now when our Sahwa era is over you cannot motivate them religiously either. You people (foreigners) forget that KSA is home to all Muslim sects. Twelvers in Eastern Province, Ismailis in the South, Hanbalis (or what you guys call Salafis/Wahhabis) mostly in Najd, Shafi'i's, Maliki's and Hanafis in the North, Hijaz, South etc. Sufis as well.

It does not work like that. Even Houthis clans fighting against KSA currently (from Northern Yemen) are not attacking (or at least try not to) attack civilian targets in the South due to having close ties with locals there. The reason why KSA has not carpet bombed Yemen either although we could do what Al-Assad did 100 times over. That is because Yemenis are our brothers and sisters and we will live side by side forever. Like shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[The SC]

why there is a total secrecy?? like you said your adversaries are backward failed states with fake claims.
the secrecy would make sense for a country that it's adversary is an economic and industrial power (like how things are between iran and US) but that does not go for your concept of secrecy against a failed state.

No bragging, secrecy, confidentiality and showing the minimum, is a potent deterrent tactic to keep the adversaries guessing and wondering..

 

[Mithridates]

No bragging, secrecy, confidentiality and showing the minimum, is a potent deterrent tactic to keep the adversaries guessing and wondering..

so then US and EU should be idiots that demonstrated their 5th generation fighters and 6th generation concepts while russia and china are financially and technologically lagging behind them.
what if iran attacks you tomorrow?? then what's the point of possessing such advanced weaponry??

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

so then US and EU should be idiots that demonstrated their 5th generation fighters and 6th generation concepts while russia and china are financially and technologically lagging behind them.
what if iran attacks you tomorrow?? then what's the point of possessing such advanced weaponry??

Why talk about scenarios that are completely and utterly unrealistic. If you attack KSA, you will sign your own death warrant. Yes, KSA will suffer a bit but you will suffer much more in an already much worse financial, security, in terms of allies, in terms of opposition of the regime from people, climate changes etc. state.

That is not even talking about the active independence movements WITHIN your own border made up by Kurds, Baloch, Arabs etc. When shit hits the fan that could turn ugly and good luck trying to prevent say Baloch's from wanting to join Pakistan if that country will have a much more positive trajectory than Iran and that will undoubtedly be the case if you are so stupid to commit yourself to a regional war against KSA (AND allies) and the US.

I understand with no political future, an economy that is worthless, youth that has no future due to your isolation and worthless economy, you will maybe gather some suicidal drones and others but nowadays numbers do not matter much and in any case Arabs outnumber you 6-7 times and when it comes to religious motivation, Arabs are in a different league in the region. Fighting for country and land only works so much. There must be a higher goal for the regular suicide drone and that often involves a heaven and some "reward" in case shit hits the fan (death). Either that or fight for profit or a better future. That is not really something that the Mullah's can give you. They had 40 years and failed utterly. Trillions were lost for you to be a slightly richer Afghanistan in terms of GDP per capita with all that oil and gas. But, but you "control" some Shia Arab rag-tag militias in superpower countries that is Syria (destroyed), Iraq (much of the same) and Yemen (much of the same). Some kind of victory! Never seen a more incompetent regime that ruled an oil/gas rich country like Iran.

If the Saudi Arabian regime was spending billions on rag-tag militias (foreigners, non-Arabs moreover) and the people and country suffering on every front for 40+ years, that regime would get toppled very quickly.

All those sacrifices in Syria for Putin (a good friend of KSA, just sold us S-400) for him to rule the show. Pathetic.

 

[Mithridates]

Why talk about scenarios that are completely and utterly unrealistic. If you attack KSA, you will sign your own death warrant. Yes, KSA will suffer a bit but you will suffer much more in an already much worse financial, security, in terms of allies, in terms of opposition of the regime from people, climate changes etc. state.

That is not even talking about the active independence movements WITHIN your own border made up by Kurds, Baloch, Arabs etc. When shit hits the fan that could turn ugly and good luck trying to prevent say Baloch's from wanting to join Pakistan if that country will have a much more positive trajectory than Iran and that will undoubtedly be the case if you are so stupid to commit yourself to a regional war against KSA (AND allies) and the US.

I understand with no political future, an economy that is worthless, youth that has no future due to your isolation and worthless economy, you will maybe gather some suicidal drones and others but nowadays numbers do not matter much and in any case Arabs outnumber you 6-7 times and when it comes to religious motivation, Arabs are in a different league in the region. Fighting for country and land only works so much. There must be a higher goal for the regular suicide drone and that often involves a heaven and some "reward" in case shit hits the fan (death). Either that or fight for profit or a better future. That is not really something that the Mullah's can give you. They had 40 years and failed utterly. Trillions were lost for you to be a slightly richer Afghanistan in terms of GDP per capita with all that oil and gas. But, but you "control" some Shia Arab rag-tag militias in superpower countries that is Syria (destroyed), Iraq (much of the same) and Yemen (much of the same). Some kind of victory! Never seen a more incompetent regime that ruled an oil/gas rich country like Iran.

If the Saudi Arabian regime was spending billions on rag-tag militias (foreigners, non-Arabs moreover) and the people and country suffering on every front for 40+ years, that regime would get toppled very quickly.

All those sacrifices in Syria for Putin (a good friend of KSA, just sold us S-400) for him to rule the show. Pathetic.

OK.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

OK.

Did I say anything that was not factual? I do not think so. Can you post that insane imaginary map of KSA getting divided by 6 countries again? Need a good laugh.

Thank you very much.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The US Secretary of State in response to the attempt to demonize the missile program:
Most of the countries developing missile programs are due to Iran's development of its missile program under the umbrella of the nuclear deal.
"They are doing what needs to be done to create deterrence tools to their advantage"
It is the truth!!

But if your program started 32 years ago how it can be an answer to iran program.
Also we are hardly the first person in the region who had missile program ,we probably not even the 10th country in the region with missile program.

(phosphate as well which can also be turned into uranium)

I see we have an alchemist here .

16 nuclear reactors being built in the next 10-15 years etc.

You are welcome trying to build any nuke by those reactors.