Exclusive: TikTok's Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal - sources

[mazeto]

I see.

See my post (# 38) - reminded an American member of American hypocrisy.

However, USA will continue to have allies because different countries have different priorities. There are already indications of this.

German viewpoint can be different from that of Americans nevertheless.

There will be countries on both camps that will stick with them come what. It's the fence sitters that matters. For the upstart like China, even a little weakening of the Western narrative ( freedom, democracy, fairness blah blah) would constitute a relative gain.

 

[LeGenD]

Unfortunately, China has no avenue for symmetric retaliation and measured escalation. It already ran all the American internet companies out of China long ago. The best thing you can do in a situation like this is cut your losses and refocus your efforts elsewhere, which is what China is doing with TikTok. To do otherwise, to yell and beat your chest and make a scene to distract others - and yourself most of all - from your loss is very... Indian.

Which is why I also ask that my compatriots here keep this issue in perspective. Yes, China will have to just take an L on TikTok; sucks but that's just life sometimes. Panicking and ranting about how unfair this is isn't going to accomplish anything other than making you look weak and rattled.

There is much emotion floating around.

This is welcome shift in grasp of this particular matter. You understand the bigger picture better than others. Credit where due.

 

[JustAnotherPerson]

Unfortunately, China has no avenue for symmetric retaliation and measured escalation. It already ran all the American internet companies out of China long ago. The best thing you can do in a situation like this is cut your losses and refocus your efforts elsewhere, which is what China is doing with TikTok. To do otherwise, to yell and beat your chest and make a scene to distract others - and yourself most of all - from your loss is very... Indian.

Which is why I also ask that my compatriots here keep this issue in perspective. Yes, China will have to just take an L on TikTok; sucks but that's just life sometimes. Panicking and ranting about how unfair this is isn't going to accomplish anything other than making you look weak and rattled.

Well American internet companies are not ban in china there are censored, there is a different, google and facebook can enter the Chinese market whatever they want as long they comply with Chinese censorship laws. TikTok in the other hand as far as i know it hasn't violated any U.S. law, there is not law in the U.S. that TikTok can't comply.
But like you say is their country they can't do whatever they want, but is thing like this that will make the U.S.A into an noncompetitive mess. They are so “entitled” and “complacent” that they think that they competitive is edge is a god given right well i have news flash for them is not.

 

[Feng Leng]

LOL people can just change their location settings to use the real TikTok not the Microsoft TikTok. Microsoft is buying a business they will be competing with on day one.

 

[LeGenD]

There will be countries on both camps that will stick with them come what. It's the fence sitters that matters. For the upstart like China, even a little weakening of the Western narrative ( freedom, democracy, fairness blah blah) would constitute a relative gain.

Fair point. Although, new countries are joining the shitshow as well.

I just want to say that HYPOCRISY is not grounded in "principles." A superpower does not welcome competition and fairness in reality; it is very likely to use and abuse other countries in pursuit of its goals instead. History is very instructive in this regard but few pay attention to these important lessons. Even if a superpower had good intentions, it will loose its marbles in the face of emerging competition, and rationality will give way to hypocrisy eventually. Expect more shocks from USA and others in the near future.

Let us see.

All the best.

 

[F-22Raptor]

The US has done more to erode its global influence than expand since Trump has came into office, even the Europeans are annoyed and inconvenienced by you. You don't really have any friends, well you still have Israel your greatest ally of course, I'm sure they won't sell anymore US military tech to the Chinese like they have been doing for the past 30 years.

TLOU2 was a generic "humans are the real monsters" revenge arc that added nothing to the story. It's themes were Druckmann's bizarre masculine steroid tranny fetish. Man self-inserted as two characters that have sex with Abby and Ellie, just lol. Masterpiece indeed.

Don't kid yourself, once Trump is vanquished the Euros will fall back in line. Countries that actually matter are in the US corner. Meanwhile China has North Korea and the dumps of Africa.

The US will crush Chinese companies every step of the way. The US government should have let ZTE die a slow death. We'll relegate Huawei to an afterthought and Tiktok will be at the mercy of an American owner.

China will continue to play second fiddle. Learn to accept it Poobah.

 

[F-22Raptor]

I see.

See my post (# 38) - reminded an American member of American hypocrisy.

However, USA will continue to have allies because different countries have different priorities. There are already indications of this.

German viewpoint can be different from that of Americans nevertheless.

All countries are hypocrites when it comes to the pursuit of national power.

 

[Feng Leng]

Don't kid yourself, once Trump is vanquished the Euros will fall back in line. Countries that actually matter are in the US corner. Meanwhile China has North Korea and the dumps of Africa.

The US will crush Chinese companies every step of the way. The US government should have let ZTE die a slow death. We'll relegate Huawei to an afterthought and Tiktok will be at the mercy of an American owner.

China will continue to play second fiddle. Learn to accept it Poobah.

LOL good luck finding countries willing to support the US dollar now that it's inflating into nothingness...

 

[LeGenD]

All countries are hypocrites when it comes to the pursuit of national power.

Not all but many are. Good to see you admit as much in a subtle way.

 

[obj 705A]

I've said this a million times already so personally I will not comment any further on any thread on this issue unless there is a major new development.

I'm pretty sure (that is 65% sure which is not alot) that Xi Jinping would never allow TikTok to be sold regardless of whether Zhang Yiming or ByteDance itself wants to sell TikTok or not, especially since TikTok is the one and only Chinese social media app that became successful outside of China.
TikTok (and any other social media app) is not important because of money, it's important because in the entire world people communicate through social media and when you control the way people communicate you can effectively control the flow of information between billions upon billions of people, that is how the US can cause people's opinions to shift through almighty Facebook, Twitter etc.. without any exageration, a social media website can be more influential and cause more change than an aircraft carrier. that is why China had to ban them because these websites were trying to cause civil unrest and China realized these American social media apps are powerfull enough to actually make it happen.
money is irrelevant in social media, it's all about influence. I look at the social media that is prevelant nowadays, reddit, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter etc.. all are CIA controlled media. The only website that isn't a CIA mouthpiece is TikTok, the last thing we need is for even that to become as anti China as is reddit.

 

[Feng Leng]

I've said this a million times already so personally I will not comment any further on any thread on this issue unless there is a major new development.

I'm pretty sure (that is 65% sure which is not alot) that Xi Jinping would never allow TikTok to be sold regardless of whether Zhang Yiming or ByteDance itself wants to sell TikTok or not, especially since TikTok is the one and only Chinese social media app that became successful outside of China.
TikTok (and any other social media app) is not important because of money, it's important because in the entire world people communicate through social media and when you control the way people communicate you can effectively control the flow of information between billions upon billions of people, that is how the US can cause people's opinions to shift through almighty Facebook, Twitter etc.. without any exageration, a social media website can be more influential and cause more change than an aircraft carrier. that is why China had to ban them because these websites were trying to cause civil unrest and China realized these American social media apps are powerfull enough to actually make it happen.
money is irrelevant in social media, it's all about influence. I look at the social media that is prevelant nowadays, reddit, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter etc.. all are CIA controlled media. The only website that isn't a CIA mouthpiece is TikTok, the last thing we need is for even that to become as anti China as is reddit.

Don't worry... if your regional settings don't identify you as an American, you can still access TikTok. Even if you are an American, you can still change your regional settings or use a VPN to get the real TikTok.

 

[LeGenD]

I've said this a million times already so personally I will not comment any further on any thread on this issue unless there is a major new development.

I'm pretty sure (that is 65% sure which is not alot) that Xi Jinping would never allow TikTok to be sold regardless of whether Zhang Yiming or ByteDance itself wants to sell TikTok or not, especially since TikTok is the one and only Chinese social media app that became successful outside of China.
TikTok (and any other social media app) is not important because of money, it's important because in the entire world people communicate through social media and when you control the way people communicate you can effectively control the flow of information between billions upon billions of people, that is how the US can cause people's opinions to shift through almighty Facebook, Twitter etc.. without any exageration, a social media website can be more influential and cause more change than an aircraft carrier. that is why China had to ban them because these websites were trying to cause civil unrest and China realized these American social media apps are powerfull enough to actually make it happen.
money is irrelevant in social media, it's all about influence. I look at the social media that is prevelant nowadays, reddit, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter etc.. all are CIA controlled media. The only website that isn't a CIA mouthpiece is TikTok, the last thing we need is for even that to become as anti China as is reddit.

Sharp and astute observation in a while. Credit where due.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

However the Chinese government would never approve a transfer of TikTok from China to the US. Considering Trump won't be in office for much longer, China can afford to weather the Trump storm.

 

[bolo]

Unfortunately, China has no avenue for symmetric retaliation and measured escalation. It already ran all the American internet companies out of China long ago. The best thing you can do in a situation like this is cut your losses and refocus your efforts elsewhere, which is what China is doing with TikTok. To do otherwise, to yell and beat your chest and make a scene to distract others - and yourself most of all - from your loss is very... Indian.

Which is why I also ask that my compatriots here keep this issue in perspective. Yes, China will have to just take an L on TikTok; sucks but that's just life sometimes. Panicking and ranting about how unfair this is isn't going to accomplish anything other than making you look weak and rattled.

Sure. Let's just allow Facebook in China to keep inciting anti China news and invite more riots in Xinjiang. China still cards to play. They are not followers like Canada.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

This is China’s only globally influential app and the US is taking it from them. It’s absolutely a win.

only the US branch were sold, which I think will soon die without tech support from the mother company ByteDance.

actually McDonald sold its branch in China to a Chinese consortium in 2017. By your logic China owns McDonald now.