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I am pasting some excellent learnings from a DACT excercise between F18 C/D Hornets of Swis and Mig 29 of Luftwaffe - This shows the level of learning between pilots of both aircrafts...Ofcourse being Nato countries also helps...However Enjoy !!
-- A side note , i dont have the link since all the links have expired or purged, i saw this in one of the forums. Thought might be a good share.


Although primarily tasked with a role in the German air defense system, the 'MiG-29 drivers' (of Germany) saw themselves evolve into a very different player. Obsessively trained to counter Russia's latest generation fighters, the ultimate Fulcrum confrontation was - and still is - every Western fighter pilot's dream. Consequently JG 73 was overwhelmed with requests for squadron exchanges to act as a sparring partner in aerial duels. With help from the most experienced German AMRAAM operating F-4F pilots, new MiG-29 tactics were developed, based on western ACM - Air Combat Maneuvering - techniques and AIM-120 characteristics. Russia's latest generation fighter combined with the use of Western tactics and knowledge made JG 73's aircrew without doubt the best MiG-29 pilots in the world.

During the first training week basic fighter maneuvering, i.e. air combat within visual range, was practiced and the dogfight intensity was gradually built up during the first five days from 1v1 to 2v1, concluding in 2v2 on 26 April. Like many MiG opponents during previous DACT exercises, the Swiss underestimated the Fulcrum's qualities at close range. Like the Hornet, the MiG-29 has great low speed maneuverability,
which allows it to move its nose around in slow-speed fights.

The aircraft's greatest advantage is the AA-11 Archer, a Russian-built infra-red guided missile, which in combination with the pilot's helmet-mounted sight makes the Fulcrum the most feared lethal weapon. This helmet-mounted sight consists of a monocle over the left eye and sensors on helmet and in the cockpit to detect the pilot's head position. Just by looking at the target the pilot can activate a firing solution and the thrust-vectored Archer can be launched up to 45° off the MiG's nose. This superiority is only effective if the enemy is seen as soon as possible.

One of the Fulcrum's disadvantages is the visibility from the cockpit. The Hornet drivers soon realized that the MiG-29 pilots had difficulties 'checking six'. Since an Archer launch includes illuminating the target until impact, the pilot has to keep his head turning towards the target, a very tiresome procedure when performed in heavy G dogfights.

Thirdly, the Fulcrum's cockpit avionics entail considerable workload with a lot of hands-off switches and limited HUD information. When looking inside his cockpit, the MiG-29 pilot is not able to continuously monitor his tactical situation. These elements gave the Hornet drivers the means to tackle the MiG-29's splendid close-range superior performance and partly overcome the Archer off-boresight launch authority.

The Fulcrum's greatest disadvantage was unveiled during the second week, when 4v4 BVR (beyond visual range) 'hops' were performed. Although the MiG-29's radar has a 120° detection capability, only a 50° cone can be used for target detection and tracking. Clearly, this does not give the pilot a good overview of the tactical situation. Since the radar has to be manually steered towards the target's direction,
the pilot greatly depends on GCI information to locate the bogey. During lock-on all other contacts are lost and no target altitude, range or speed information is provided.

The Hornet's low maintenance needs - one flight hour equals about 25 man hours of maintenance work - added to the high operational status throughout the exercise. In this field the German counterparts were in for a challenge, since one MiG-29 flight hour requires no less than 80 man hours of servicing. (!!!!)

Daily many DACT 'hops' were scheduled, averaging to about fourteen MiG-29 sorties per day, but these numbers have to be put into perspective. Each mission comprised a maximum of 25 minutes flying, which unveiled the MiG-29's Achilles heel.

This is a further study
Although the installation of a centerline external fuel tank (EFT) can increase the aircraft's autonomy, this configuration has numerous downsides. Since the EFT blocks the discharge route of spent ammunition casings, the tank has to be jettisoned when using the 30mm cannon. This configuration also limits the aircraft's speed to 1.5 Mach and disables the activation of speed brakes. To partly overcome these problems modifications to seven single-seaters enabled the use of two 300 gal (1150 litre) under wing pylons. This configuration however limits the Fulcrums maneuverability to 4 G turns.
 
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I am not sure how it is achived OR how we derive the freq and peak power when in training mode , but i do know that excercises such as these are breeding ground of people/AF's trying to snoop these kind of information. I am afraid i am not knowledgeable in these area, however Gambit maybe able to help if at all there is a way.

I did ask Gambit , and this is his reply

LT.PRATEEK
Need a help regarding DACT exercise .

Is it possible to know the operating Freq and Power rating of a radar when you only come up against a Training mode one .
Guesswork Permutation combination like .....


gambit said:
Simple answer...No.
We can make educated guesses but if it is possible to know beyond the 50/50 certainty threshold, why would we have ELINT missions? And remember that during the Cold War, ELINT missions were always planned and uber super duper classified. All a 'training' mode does is not that much different from ground maintenance of any radar system. In radar operation, we have something called a 'far field'. Basically, it is a distance where a radar transmission pulse become effective as a 'detector'. That distance depends on the design and it does gets more complicated. Suffice to say that in ground maintenance, any transmission must be beyond the minimum 'far field' distance in order for us to do any meaningful work.

NearFar Field
...generally means far enough from the antenna to be approximated as a plane wave, and 'far enough' usually means more than a wavelength away. Exactly how far away the transition from near field to far field occurs is a function of the wavelength, the geometry and size of the antenna, and the electromagnetic properties of the ground. In the immediate vicinity of the antenna, called the 'near field', the behavior of wave propagation is different than it is in the 'far field'.
Any sort of flight 'training mode' is no different than ground maintenance operation. To transmit with just enough power to be effective as a 'detector' but no more. For ground maintenance operation, we do not want to sterilize our support people, do we? :D So for training deployments, whether we want to limit ELINT knowledge of our 'stuff' or not is a matter of policy, not of technical limitations. We can limit our transmissions anywhere between maximum and 'maintenance' level power. Let the other guys sweat what they do not know.
 
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French theory is just crap imagination of Col as is his Tumansky engine and Israeli radar on Mig21 .

French were sniffing and US officials were only saint out there not sniffing .
Iaf was fool operating in Electronic-dense field to give out radar signature .
 
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Iaf was fool operating in Electronic-dense field to give out radar signature .

But so is the case everywhere ? These kind of snoop missions do happen, and i truly believe IAF is no saint either....they will be doing the same thing with whatever meagre resources they have !!
 
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can you elaborate please:what:

Usually when transatlantic flights are taken up, some level of sparing is done to ensure that even if there are some unforeseen issues with some of the aircraft, others can still make it. A recent example was the arrival of two Typhoons of Luftwaffe in India for the MMRCA. Initially 6 typhoons left Germany with two tankers. Eventually two arrived with 1 A310 tanker (the plan was always to have one single seater and one dual seater for eval).
 
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