Excl: America eyes Bangladesh

[eastwatch]

The game is more complex than what you stated.

Russia is a ally of India again they are ally of India's enemy China.
India is ally of USA again they are ally of Russia.
India is a ally of USA yet it supports China and Russia in a lot of different avenue.

Dont you think its a big mess? You dont know who is with whom now a days, because there is no polarization in today's world. I dont think China will mind BD's relation with USA neither USA mind BD allying with China.

Yes, you are right about China. It will not mind if USA takes a defender's role for BD which China cannot take directly. However, China will mind if it is not allowed to take out and bring in its exports and imports via CTG or a Burmese sea port.

But, I think, USA will support such a Chinese economic activities, but will not support a Chinese base that will jeopardize US stake in the BoB.

About friendship. India remains a strong ally of Russia. Its relationship with the USA is only superficial. A relationship cannot live long if the population are against it. Indians do not necessarily like USA although they get all the benefits from it. But, India gets almost all its defence procurements from Russia. So, essentially, India-Russia alliance is a military type and US-India relationship is of economic type.

 

[oFFbEAT]

........This move by America could put India on the back foot if the American fleet moves to Bangladesh, all of India’s security installations will come under the American scanner..........

Bangladeshis shouldn't worry about, what'll happen to India's interest, you guys should worry about, what'll happen to all those 'razakars' who earn their living by orchestrating anti-India activities.....

 

[Luffy 500]

I don't know about this US base. Everything is still very far fetched. Can we keep both US and china close. I am all for BD becoming
a US or chinese lackey if and only if It counters India's hegemonic influence and goals in BOB. I believe becoming a chinese
lackey is better than becoming a US lackey. Whatever the case , we do need the protection of a powerful country to counter
Indian goals regarding BoB and BD. We can't remain neutral any longer.

Bangladeshis shouldn't worry about, what'll happen to India's interest, you guys should worry about, what'll happen to all those 'razakars' who earn their living by orchestrating anti-India activities.....

Ignorant fool, before farting out carp you should know that the US have no problems with this
supposed "razakars" and JI is a recognized political party. And BTW the US is against this farce
war crime trial going on and are pushing for more transparency and upholding intl standards.

 

[eastwatch]

Are we objecting for emotional reasons or on the basis of national interest. Let us be clear about this first. I assume if emotional then this probably has something to do with the Muslim Ummah and US involvement in the Middle East. This has not stopped Muslim countries in North Africa, the Middle East, South Asia or the Far East from permitting basing rights so what are we exactly objecting to here? Let us be very precise about this.

I completely agree with your viewpoint. Emotions should not be allowed to work when our national security is at stake and our natural resources are on the verge of being pirated by the neighbouring big DADA. There should not be any complacency about our strength vis-a-vis India. We need new inputs from both China and the USA to defend our country and OUR BoB. However, presently a kind of berthing facilities will be more acceptable which gradually can be improved in the coming years. seems our military is completely tight lipped about this important matter.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

Chicken neck and Feni should be seen separately. I understand Tripura is almost encircled by BD land. But, a numerically superior Indian army may not move the way we want. It will open many fronts along the border, but not in the Tripura border and not a naval front near the land strip in the beginning of a war.

Now, an unsuspecting BA moves its troops to fight in other fronts. Then suddenly India's small coastal/navy ships loaded with a division of troops dash through the undefendable southern river/sea routes and reaches the shore in a few hours in the dark hours. IA troops move also almost at the same time from Tripura. The Feni strip may be lost in that case.

There can be many scenerios like this in a war. No one really knows what an invading army will do. I am talking only about one of them. So, what I am saying is unless our coast guard and navy are strong enough and ready to repulse a sea attack, there is a posibility that two groups of Indian troops will make a two front attack to separate CTG from the mainland.

This is why I am in favour of US support in our defence needs if not an outright base facility.

With current strength of BD navy it's almost not possible to invade the way you just said on our east coast, it could be possible on west coast though for being geographically closed to indian sea border whereas invading and then annexing west coast needs a long way to travel (firing from a remote area isn't feasible to occupy). Of course there's war dynamics that always doesn't depend on prediction and equation based on visible parameters.

 

[jha]

The game is more complex than what you stated.

Russia is a ally of India again they are ally of India's enemy China.
India is ally of USA again they are ally of Russia.
India is a ally of USA yet it supports China and Russia in a lot of different avenue.

Dont you think its a big mess? You dont know who is with whom now a days, because there is no polarization in today's world. I dont think China will mind BD's relation with USA neither USA mind BD allying with China.

Dont bother... Diplomacy is not for common man...

The game is more complex than what you stated.

Russia is a ally of India again they are ally of India's enemy China.
India is ally of USA again they are ally of Russia.
India is a ally of USA yet it supports China and Russia in a lot of different avenue.

Dont you think its a big mess? You dont know who is with whom now a days, because there is no polarization in today's world. I dont think China will mind BD's relation with USA neither USA mind BD allying with China.

Dont bother... Diplomacy is not for common man...

 

[CorporateAffairs]

So hearing the news of placing the 7th fleet of US in to the bay of Bengal Indians has started to *** in their pant and started all these hue and cry and the their Suppa powwa bubble has been busted .

Buddy, you need to understand the fact that, the americans will use your country to toilet and lavatory. Use your women and children, Show dollors and destroy your country, destroy your culture as they have done to many countries.

Please dont misunderstand me for harsh language, but its harsh reality.

On the other hand, for India its a win win situation and would be happy as it would give ample time for us to respond to China in case of any conflict.

+ In the same show quoted above, US secretary clearly told, nothing would be done with India's advice

Trust me buddy, THIS WOULD BE THE LAST THING YOU WOULD EVER WANTED TO DO!!!

 

[jaunty]

Ha ha funny to see the Bangladeshis huffing and puffing and getting all excited about an opinion, or a mere speculation posted by a reporter on an Indian news source which is known to sensationalize things(timesnow is from TOI group). Some of the strategists here have already started doing war plannings against India. At the same time I'm surprised to see that many of the pious Bangladeshis are ready to host the AIPAC-driven great Satan who's already on a war against Islam. BTW I'm also convinced that there is a reason that USA is showing some interests to an otherwise insignificant country like Bangladesh after all these years. I have been saying this for a while now that you are going to get the ultimate with us or against us and no, you won't be allowed to play both the sides, we all know the sides except a few delusional Bangladeshis.

 

[Bombay Dude]

US is Taking Advantage of the Vacuum Left by India in Bay of Bengal because of the Congress Bi*tches. It will Not be a Big Task for US to bring Bangladesh under its Influence using Freebies to Military(CJ-130 Deal, US Cutters to BN), Saving Black Assets of Bangladeshi Elites including Generals(They can Squeeze the Swiss Banks). Also BDians will be made to Feel Good with the Recognition Factor (A BD Abdul thinking some Macho Image of his Country after Some Swizzling Sweeteners from the Hiliary's , This thread itself shows the Excited Dudes)

Those Thinking that India is a Friend of US against China is the Biggest BS. India is a Enemy in Disguise for US. US has Considerable Influence Over the Opinion of Commoners in India with the Media(CNN-IBN) and the Congress Puppets. So It can Keep on Fooling the Stupid Indian Public with US Friendship to Counter China BS(Read the Posts of Many Indians here in this Thread Only).

BD is in a Long Queue (After Japan, Korea, Philliphines, Singapore, Soon to be Myanmar, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE) to be Base of China, Russia (and India) Containment Policy.

Hilary Campaigning for the ConocoPhillips to get Some Oil Blocks would enable US to Map the Entire BOB for Military Purposes. With the Indian SSBN Base on the East Coast and the Arrival of Chakra has made US more Aggressive in the Region.

Some Military Aid and Installation of Radars in BD/Myanmar for a Permanent Presence in BO should be Considered a Direct Threat to India and should be Appropriately Countered to the USN.

 

[TopCat]

US is Taking Advantage of the Vacuum Left by India in Bay of Bengal because of the Congress Bi*tches. It will Not be a Big Task for US to bring Bangladesh under its Influence using Freebies to Military(CJ-130 Deal, US Cutters to BN), Saving Black Assets of Bangladeshi Elites including Generals(They can Squeeze the Swiss Banks). Also BDians will be made to Feel Good with the Recognition Factor (A BD Abdul thinking some Macho Image of his Country after Some Swizzling Sweeteners from the Hiliary's , This thread itself shows the Excited Dudes)

Those Thinking that India is a Friend of US against China is the Biggest BS. India is a Enemy in Disguise for US. US has Considerable Influence Over the Opinion of Commoners in India with the Media(CNN-IBN) and the Congress Puppets. So It can Keep on Fooling the Stupid Indian Public with US Friendship to Counter China BS(Read the Posts of Many Indians here in this Thread Only).

BD is in a Long Queue (After Japan, Korea, Philliphines, Singapore, Soon to be Myanmar, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE) to be Base of China, Russia (and India) Containment Policy.

Hilary Campaigning for the ConocoPhillips to get Some Oil Blocks would enable US to Map the Entire BOB for Military Purposes. With the Indian SSBN Base on the East Coast and the Arrival of Chakra has made US more Aggressive in the Region.

Some Military Aid and Installation of Radars in BD/Myanmar for a Permanent Presence in BO should be Considered a Direct Threat to India and should be Appropriately Countered to the USN.

Great, you can untroll as well.

 

[Ammyy]

Another sponsor for AL as BAL know as Pro Chinese

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Good news for India.I hope it comes true because it will help counter the Chinese and those who are saying that it will be to counter India dont know that India will be the biggest US ally in this region in the future with deals worth billions of dollars signed between the two countries.

 

[integra]

Case is simple, we shouldn't become the lackey of any country X,Y,Z
It was quite hard to retrieve our lost land and make it sovereign
but politicians go upto extreme retardness when it comes to
visualizing the broader picture. AL will shake the hands of any Sam
to keep BNP in check, Vice-Versa forgetting the dark clouds they attract
in the process.

 

[kalu_miah]

If China wants to make a base, it will make it in Myanmar, but initially it may develop Myanmar as a sea access for energy and commercial trade, so it can bypass Malacca straits. I do not think China wants to make a base in Bangladesh, at least not yet. May be when it becomes the number one and unseats the US as the preeminent global power, they will make this move then. In the meantime, we should give it to the US, to balance off against India. Let me repeat the list with added items suggested by PlanetSoldier:

- US/West support to let Bangladesh become a member of ASEAN
- help establish land (road/rail) link between Myanmar and Bangladesh so Bangladesh can connect seamlessly with greater Mekong sub-region of ASEAN
- provide duty free access to US market for Bangladesh products
- nuclear umbrella against any Indian threat and support for civil nuclear projects in Bangladesh to develop nuclear technology

For a comprehensive China containment as well as India containment policy, please look at:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180755-geopolitics-asean-region.html

ASEAN+ = Japan+Korea(S&N)+ASEAN-10+Sri Lanka+PNG+East-Timor+Maldives+Bangladesh

This bloc has more than a billion people. ASEAN-10 land area is about 2.7 million sq. miles, more than twice the size of India and about 2/3 the size of China. We should make it into a EU like structure (minus the foolish common currency scheme), an economic and strategic security bloc like NATO for South East and East Asia, under US/West sponsorship and help, is what I am proposing.

Initially I am hoping that US will support this ASEAN+ idea to contain China, when the containment policy fails, as China I think will defeat USA in 20-30 years time, I am hoping that ASEAN+ can integrate enough and become a future global power on its own right and gently ask the USA to leave and go into an alliance with China, since a local number one power is always better than a far-off number two. Essentially what I am proposing is using the US/West and then dumping them when we don't need the USA/West any more. At present the USA/West has a combined nominal GDP of around 34 trillion while the Chinese GDP (PRC+Taiwan) is around 8 trillion. So Chinese GDP will have to exceed USA/West combined GDP, before a shift will take place on the global scene, which may take 20-50 years.

China also has Russia as an ally and I am hoping it will also help Russia with this strategy of southern expansion discussed here:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180767-geopolitics-eurasia-region.html#post2968037

An integrated greater GCC or GCC+ will take shape under US/West hopefully:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180771-geopolitics-gcc-region.html

This will also shift alliances once US no longer remains the predominant global power and may decide to join the Eurasia+ union, together with Turkey.

Influence on African Union will be shared by US/EU and the China/Eurasia+/ASEAN+ alliance. There is a Muslim dimension in these unions as well, ASEAN+, Eurasia+ and African Union, all three may become majority Muslim or close to it, by 2050, which may create an alliance dynamics of its own between these three.

I am confident that from 2030 on, this will be a Chinese century, so we should get prepared for that time and be ready to protect our own in a China led world. I don't think it is possible to contain China, but it is possible to guard against its aggression by remaining in alliance with it and also making sure that we have our own regional unions, which can fight the Chinese by shifting alliances if needed.

Regionalism I believe is the best vehicle to bring in stability and justice for the myriad smaller countries of the world that are exploited and abused by larger more powerful countries.

 

[LeGenD]

Those Thinking that India is a Friend of US against China is the Biggest BS. India is a Enemy in Disguise for US. US has Considerable Influence Over the Opinion of Commoners in India with the Media(CNN-IBN) and the Congress Puppets. So It can Keep on Fooling the Stupid Indian Public with US Friendship to Counter China BS(Read the Posts of Many Indians here in this Thread Only).

You clearly do not understand the current geo-political situation of Asia. Indian rivalry with China is NATURAL. Both are Asian giants and both are in competition with each other. But since China is stronger then India in both militaristic and economic sense, and US is interested in containing Chinese influence; therefore, Indo-US alliance is NATURAL too.

As much as you can try to pretend otherwise, this is how the geo-political situation is shaping in Asia.

BD is in a Long Queue (After Japan, Korea, Philliphines, Singapore, Soon to be Myanmar, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE) to be Base of China, Russia (and India) Containment Policy.

Only in your dreams. Japan, South Korea, Philipines, Singapore, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE are all US allies. Even if these nations may improve relationship with China and India with passage of time, these nations will not leave US and neither US is willing to leave them.

About others;

- Pakistan may slide in Chinese camp but enmity with US is not recommended.

- Struggle in Afghanistan is ongoing. Only time will tell that which stakeholder will prevail in Afghanistan. However, history reveals that Afghans do not become a stooge of any outsider.

- Iraq is nuetral in its foreign policy now. However, do not expect Iraq to slide in Chinese camp.

- Not sure about Myanmar. But Vietnam may once again shake hands with US.

Therefore, this is is a big game. China have dispute with several of its neighbours. This also favors US game.

Regardless, China may not have hegemonic global ambitions like that of US. But only time will tell. And if China is indeed getting aggressive, then get prepared for COLD WAR 2.