Ex CIA Officer talks about ISI

[SekrutYakhni]

We can solve this and every other problem if we study it without bias and make decisions.

That includes accountability for the ones that ruled Pakistan for quite sometime...The wardi boys.

 

[FaujHistorian]

That includes accountability for the ones that ruled Pakistan for quite sometime...The wardi boys.

Wardi boys did their best.

Remember wardi boys are our hands and feet arms and legs. They are not foreigners.

Civilians (heads) need to figure out how to use our hands and feet.

our problem is that our head starts cutting our own hands and feet, so the hand and feet have to cage the head.

Thats the sad story, that gets repeated over and over in failed sociites.

Romans did, Arabs did it, Afghans did it. And African tribes are still doing it.

Learn from the British, and Americans.

Civilians need to send the wardi boys out of the country to far off places. Train them, equip them.

Do not try to crush them. fight them. They are your own arms and legs.

Reach out to the world using them, and we will live happily.

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we are over it now.. Afghanistan is old story.. we will clear the mess in tribal areas

Agreed.

..... we got Iraq to worry about and i say let those Arabs kill each other.
that place is not worth saving

Please note, even in Iraq conflict, there is great opportunity for our nation and our army.

We can easily prepare a package of 20,000 soldiers, 40,000 civilian engineers, doctors, nurses and laborers.

We can turn Iraq around, and in the process earn handsome money, and put our 60,000 young men to work.

Such projects are endless, and so are financial rewards.

 

[Slav Defence]

Wardi boys did their best.

Remember wardi boys are our hands and feet arms and legs. They are not foreigners.

Civilians (heads) need to figure out how to use our hands and feet.

our problem is that our head starts cutting our own hands and feet, so the hand and feet have to cage the head.

Thats the sad story, that gets repeated over and over in failed sociites.

Romans did, Arabs did it, Afghans did it. And African tribes are still doing it.

Learn from the British, and Americans.

Civilians need to send the wardi boys out of the country to far off places. Train them, equip them.

Do not try to crush them. fight them. They are your own arms and legs.

Reach out to the world using them, and we will live happily.

Very dense post,seems like you have taken 'namkeen chai'
However,Do not send them...unless not required.Russian did that and payed for consequences. US has done that and is now paying price.
We have to understand that why our head is cutting our own hands and feet?It is because of lack of co-ordination between them.So,try to cover trust deficiency and work on mutual interests.This can only be made possible when our civil regime's interest will be aligned to that of GHQ's.
Regards.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Civilians (heads) need to figure out how to use our hands and feet.

Civilians need to send the wardi boys out of the country to far off places. Train them, equip them.

Reach out to the world using them, and we will live happily.

You have raised a good point. Besides me myself living in the lala-land of non-interventionist ideology (at least lala-land for now), the point you have raised is very valid. I think it will only take a substantial and coordinated effort from the civilians and the military establishment to weed out the excess fat (corruptos). That has unfortunately never happened. Although you can see the signs of "self accountability" by the wardi boys (by forgetting the past and moving on) but I really think this effort will fail too. Without punishing the culprits, it is very very hard to keep away from the lust. Very few and far examples.

Now coming back to equipping the boys and sending them over the continents - It cannot be done by the either without solving the issues at home. Issues like education. Poverty. Hunger. Employment. Work ethics. Scientific thought process. Data driven people/economy. Innovation culture. Socioeconomic justice. Of course not all the people but a chunk that (can) matters. Now that can only happen if you have a sincere elite. If you do, your own brother Muslim countries will sanction as the global elite WILL NOT VOLUNTARILY give up their monopoly and control. So now we are back at square one.

I think a coordinated effort by the Muslims across the globe to build a sustainable future. A future where people of other religions and ethnicities can live. Live freely. A future where Islamic principles are embedded in the heart of the society. A lot can be achieved.

Coming back home to Pakistan - Pakistan needs a data driven, informative and scientific mix economy/people in order to come to the world stage. That can only happen if we have sincere military and civilian rulers.

That can only happen if there are robust accountability mechanisms.

Note: The reason Islamic history is full of traitors is essentially due to lack of democratic principles. Kink (king) culture has ruined many many things. Islam itself supports democracy and you can look at the evidence. We have given a lot of power to a person or a small group of people and that ruins it all. If we have strong democratic mechanisms, it will be really hard to find traitors within the ranks.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

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Please note, even in Iraq conflict, there is great opportunity for our nation and our army.

We can easily prepare a package of 20,000 soldiers, 40,000 civilian engineers, doctors, nurses and laborers.

We can turn Iraq around, and in the process earn handsome money, and put our 60,000 young men to work.

Such projects are endless, and so are financial rewards.

only under UN mandate... and once we are done with Waziristan operation
we got Indians on the east getting restless and we got resurgence of BLA in Balochstian due to the boost coming from Afghanistan.

so we got our own country to worry about before going to that hell hole. its not that simple. Iraq is a broken country, community divided thanks to invasion and the resulting sectarian wars, we wil loose men and face as well if we went there. that country is beyond redemption. I would like Iran and Saudis settle their thing directly there.

 

[FaujHistorian]

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We have to understand that why our head is cutting our own hands and feet?.

it happens when the head (civilians) have no idea where the body needs to go.

I blame the civilian thinkers and philosophers.

They create anarchy in the country by supporting anti-Pakistan philosophy.

Many of our thinkers in 2014 have no idea about a modern nation state and its requirements and the role of military in a modern nation state.

Hope this one is a bit less dense.

Thank you

only under UN mandate... and once we are done with Waziristan operation
we got Indians on the east getting restless and we got resurgence of BLA in Balochstian due to the boost coming from Afghanistan.

so we got our own country to worry about before going to that hell hole. its not that simple. Iraq is a broken country, community divided thanks to invasion and the resulting sectarian wars, we wil loose men and face as well if we went there. that country is beyond redemption. I would like Iran and Saudis settle their thing directly there.

Sure sure. UN will be happy if our proposal is sound and it brings peace in the region. Our army is the only one that can be comfortable with both Shias and Sunnis.

Our sunni boys love to visit shrines, and our Shias are not afraid of going to a sunni mosque

This is not true for many other Muslim countries and their army/police.

Wazirastan is 2 months war, and 20 years of dollar expenses.

After 2 months we must send our youth out of country and in wardi to make enough dollars to pay for 20 years rehab of NWA in particular and Pakistan in general.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

After 2 months we must send our youth out of country and in wardi to make enough dollars to pay for 20 years rehab of NWA in particular and Pakistan in general.

Or we can ship all the wanna-be jihadis to Iraq and settle everything once for all. Well even Afghanistan or Pakistan makes sense for that short term role too. lol

I have a feeling - Maybe I am truly a nut case - But I think this global jihad ISIS is in fact bringing in all the Jihadis from across the continents and once they are there...We will see some action.

If that is the reason, I support it. Only if the global elite is accountable and faces punishment of who and why did they support the Jihadis the first time around.

 

[Slav Defence]

it happens when the head (civilians) have no idea where the body needs to go.

I blame the civilian thinkers and philosophers.

They create anarchy in the country by supporting anti-Pakistan philosophy.

Many of our thinkers in 2014 have no idea about a modern nation state and its requirements and the role of military in a modern nation state.

Hope this one is a bit less dense.

Thank you

It was positive comment which I have passed
Definitely, there is no denying over that...but whom you will blame for appointing such illiterates as head of state? the electoral system?or pathetic infrastructure of these political parties (recruiting characterless people )or education system?
Everything needs to be changed my friend.
Regards

 

[FaujHistorian]

It was positive comment which I have passed
Definitely, there is no denying over that...but whom you will blame for appointing such illiterates as head of state? the electoral system?or pathetic infrastructure of these political parties (recruiting characterless people )or education system?
Everything needs to be changed my friend.
Regards

Elected leaders are kind of neck in Pakistan body.

The heads are intellectuals, professors, scholars, and journalists, writers.

So the problem with election procedure is overhyped a bit.

Thank you

Or we can ship all the wanna-be jihadis to Iraq and settle everything once for all. Well even Afghanistan or Pakistan makes sense for that short term role too. lol

I have a feeling - Maybe I am truly a nut case - But I think this global jihad ISIS is in fact bringing in all the Jihadis from across the continents and once they are there...We will see some action.

If that is the reason, I support it. Only if the global elite is accountable and faces punishment of who and why did they support the Jihadis the first time around.

We made one mistake of using Jihadis.

let's not repeat it.

Thank you

 

[SekrutYakhni]

We made one mistake of using Jihadis.

Not make one. Use the existing infrastructure - Like calling all the robots to one place and turning off their power. Something of this sort can be done. Exploit the sentiments using the media and whoever falls for the trap and goes there to wage Jihad...Well once the bus is full...some action can be played.

I know I sound a nut case here.

Otherwise, rehabilitation can be done. It will be a long process but worthy of trying it.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Not make one. Use the existing infrastructure - Like calling all the robots to one place and turning off their power. Something of this sort can be done. Exploit the sentiments using the media and whoever falls for the trap and goes there to wage Jihad...Well once the bus is full...some action can be played.

I know I sound a nut case here.

Otherwise, rehabilitation can be done. It will be a long process but worthy of trying it.

To be more precise, you need "irregular aka covert forces ONLY in case of a power that is 10-20 times your size". Because the cost benefit ratio of facing overtly are really tilted towards 20 times bigger opponent.

If however you are facing anything less than 10 times your size, then use regular army. because with superior training and morale, you will be able to stand up in this case.

Hope this helps.

 

[RabzonKhan]

I have observed @OrionHunter never misses an opportunity to undermine Pak- American relation.

 

[Pakistanisage]

 

[FaujHistorian]

I have observed @OrionHunter never misses an opportunity to undermine Pak- American relation.

undermine? He doesn't have a capacity.
Throw stink bombs? Absolutely he and many Indians cannot resist.

I blame it on years of prejudiced brain-conditioning mixed with caste system mindset.

But then those of kind of posters exist on our side of the border as well. Sadly.

 

[OrionHunter]

undermine? He doesn't have a capacity.
Throw stink bombs? Absolutely he and many Indians cannot resist.

I blame it on years of prejudiced brain-conditioning mixed with caste system mindset.

But then those of kind of posters exist on our side of the border as well. Sadly.

Damn!! So you're equating me with some of those run-of-the-mill posters? I'm way ahead, man! I'm an intellectual!!