Ex CIA Officer talks about ISI

[OCguy]

but that didnt stop us from working together agency to agency but also at special ops level where we had American inbeds in our units conducting raids together in tribal areas while you guys were eating the "genuine shite" of Pakistanis harboring Osama.

oh by the way, please forgive me for busting some balls here. the proof was found indeed when Americans exposed their Afghan touts harboring Latif Ullah Mehsood and snatched him from the Afghan intelligence that has so much love for India that it risked utter decimation at the hands of the Americans but they left it at the humiliation of snatching the TTP guest from them in broad day light and guess what who helped Americans in pin pointing Latif Ullah Mehsood? yes it was ISI and as a thanks.... Americans took out the leader of a proxy who is fighting someone's else war against Pakistan .. that someone who has the largest number of "conciliates" than any other country in Afghanistan.

First time I have seen acknowledgement of US SAD/US SF fighting as a team with Pakistani counterparts from a PDF member, but that is probably because I haven't been here for a long period of time yet.

I've said before that the governments of both sides can eliminate some of the mistrust of each other within the public, by being more open about just how much the two nations work together.

 

[FaujHistorian]

First time I have seen acknowledgement of US SAD/US SF fighting as a team with Pakistani counterparts from a PDF member, but that is probably because I haven't been here for a long period of time yet.

I've said before that the governments of both sides can eliminate some of the mistrust of each other within the public, by being more open about just how much the two nations work together.

Mistrust is usually the result of leftist media in the two countries.

NYT and Washpost prints something $tupid, then Pakistani leftist media picks up the same $hit and adds more, then NYT picks up again and thus the $hit stories keeps on getting bigger and bigger with a lot of hot gas.


General to general relationship has always been good in 70 years minus perhaps 3-4 years of bad communication.


p.s. many PDF members are not familiar with Pakistani and US military history. They just repeat leftist media cr@p on PDF

 

[Slav Defence]

I am wondering that either should I feel happy after seeing 'such praise' for labelled as being 'sincere ally' or feel tragic?
Yes,Indeed..I should be happy to hear that one of the most well reputed US professional has finally admitted of our sincerity,but at the same time I feel intense pain,because it would be much better if intellects of our very own nation will label our establishment's policy as sincere.
I pray for that day when intellects within our subject will label our establishment for being sincere towards them.
Regards

 

[OCguy]

Mistrust is usually the result of leftist media in the two countries.

NYT and Washpost prints something $tupid, then Pakistani leftist media picks up the same and adds more, then NYT picks up again and thus the $hit stories keeps on being bigger and bigger with a lot of hot gas.


General to general relationship have always been good in 70 years minus perhaps 3-4 years of bad communication.


p.s. many PDF members are not familiar with Pakistani and US military history. They just repeat leftist media cr@p on PDF

I commonly see the idea that the US acts unilaterally without permission within Pakistani territory, which is what the official line is in Pakistan domestically when there are offensive actions by US assets in the news. I would not be happy if that was the case in my country, so I understand the sentiment. It is just that it is misguided due to not getting the information that the two nations very much work as a team on occasion, despite some very serious setbacks over the years.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I commonly see the idea that the US acts unilaterally without permission within Pakistani territory, which is what the official line is in Pakistan domestically when there are offensive actions by US assets in the news. I would not be happy if that was the case in my country, so I understand the sentiment. It is just that it is misguided due to not getting the information that the two nations very much work as a team on occasion, despite some very serious setbacks over the years.

Leftist (and Islamist) media in Pakistan has been anti-US since 60s (long before drones).

most of the journalists and professors in Pakistan have been and are big time leftists/marxists.

But the big business, big farmers, and military is pro-US.

So the news your hear are one-sided for obvious reasons.

I am wondering that either should I feel happy after seeing 'such praise' for labelled as being 'sincere ally' or feel tragic?
Yes,Indeed..I should be happy to hear that one of the most well reputed US professional has finally admitted of our sincerity,but at the same time I feel intense pain,because it would be much better if intellects of our very own nation will label our establishment's policy as sincere.
I pray for that day when intellects within our subject will label our establishment for being sincere towards them.
Regards

It is not "Finally".

many Pakistanis just saw the video but they have not studied the long history of Pakistan-US defense relations.

if we don't study history, then the news of today will definitely be a "surprise".

if one wants to avoid getting "surprised", he should study unbaiased history (meaning both from lefitist and right wing pov)

 

[SekrutYakhni]

But the big business, big farmers, and military is pro-US.

You sir have missed a key point here.

There is a difference between being "pro" or "anti" - -

Here the relation is build on few dachas, tonic and $$$.

Big businesses and their tax shenanigans, big farmers and their feudal mindset...The last one can't be a holy cow among us infidels. Can it?

 

[FaujHistorian]

You sir have missed a key point here.

There is a difference between being "pro" or "anti" - -

Here the relation is build on few dachas, tonic and $$$.

Big businesses and their tax shenanigans, big farmers and their feudal mindset...The last one can't be a holy cow among us infidels.

Pak US relations are built on providing service to each other. just like India and China and S Korea.

China provides manufacturing services to USA and gets paid dachas, tonic and $$$.
India provides business services to USA and gets paid dachas, tonic and $$$.
Pakistan provides defense services to USA and gets paid dachas, tonic and $$$.

One man's dachas, tonic and $$$ are no better or worse than other man's payment.


hope you understand.


p.s. your views reflect typical writings of Pakistani leftist/marxist/Islamist media guys.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

General to general relationship have always been good in 70 years minus perhaps 3-4 years of bad communication.

You are correct. However, in that 67 years the economy, literacy, health has deteriorated. Poverty level skyrocketed. I really wonder what kind of relation GHQ has with their boss.

Well maybe something like this is very common in those "motherland" "patriotic" corridors of power. Pakistan tujhe Salam!

For what its worth, Bilal Musharraf the Vice President of ePlanet Ventures and the son of General (r) Pervaiz Musharraf, is seen negotiating a deal with Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, Chairman of Kingdom Holding Companies. It is just a normal business deal but the question that remains is What does the Pakistani Ambassador to Saudi Arabia have to do in all this?

 

[Slav Defence]

Leftist (and Islamist) media in Pakistan has been anti-US since 60s (long before drones).

most of the journalists and professors in Pakistan have been and are big time leftists/marxists.

But the big business, big farmers, and military is pro-US.

So the news your hear are one-sided for obvious reasons.



It is not "Finally".

many Pakistanis just saw the video but they have not studied the long history of Pakistan-US defense relations.

if we don't study history, then the news of today will definitely be a "surprise".

if one wants to be "surprised", he should study unbaiased history (meaning both from lefitist and right wing pov)

Yes,historian you are damn right.
Pakistan and US relations have seen various ups and down.I am not surprised after reading all this because earlier I have been through comments of ex-US intellects,which are.. positive and specifically about our armed forces.Pakistan has supported US on various grounds,this anti terrorism front line ally scenario is one of the recent chapter of world history.
However,like I said that it would be much better if Pakistan would be more sincere towards her own people as compare to that of US.
Regards

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Pak US relations are built on providing service to each other. just like India and China and S Korea.

China provides manufacturing services and gets paid dachas, tonic and $$$.
India provides business services and gets paid dachas, tonic and $$$.
Pakistan provides defense services and gets paid dachas, tonic and $$$.

One man's dachas, tonic and $$$ are no better or worse than other man's payment.


hope you understand.


p.s. your views reflect typical writings of Pakistani leftist/marxist/Islamist media guys.

No I fail to understand. I refuse.

I don't give two cents what Amrika does to India or vice versa.

I am more concerned about Pakistan. The price of this relation should be paid by the motherlands too. Not just poor people.

p.s. your views reflect typical writings of Pakistani leftist/marxist/Islamist media guys.

Thank you. Please edit your post and insert "Mullah" and not "media" "guys" - It sounds way cooler. Infidel Mullah sounds logical too! Burqa Mullah maybe!

 

[SekrutYakhni]

First time I have seen acknowledgement of US SAD/US SF fighting as a team with Pakistani counterparts from a PDF member, but that is probably because I haven't been here for a long period of time yet.

I've said before that the governments of both sides can eliminate some of the mistrust of each other within the public, by being more open about just how much the two nations work together.

NOTE: I still think Pakistan Military spreads more wealth than the politicians. The problem lies in duplicity. We all know the magnificent politicians. However, motherlands are prone to use religion and patriotism to loot the people. [Loot: Commissions, real estate gurus (Gwadar land scam and so on), getting stuff done for their children.]

Add: Gone are the days when Pentagon printed money $$$ were floating to the GHQ motherlands like this. I think they will use more creative ways to feed the hungry monkey (I refrain to use lion). GHQers think they can fool people. I think not!

Unless someone leaks the new ways for the $$$ coming in...wait for few years to get more sources online.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I am more concerned about Pakistan. The price of this relation should be paid by the motherlands too. Not just poor people.
!

Price is paid by the contract workers in all the cases I explained.

So it is upto the contract workers not to use foreign religion to kill each other.

Hope you understand now.

NOTE: I still think Pakistan Military spreads more wealth than the politicians. The problem lies in duplicity. We all know the magnificent politicians. However, motherlands are prone to use religion and patriotism to loot the people. [Loot: Commissions, real estate gurus (Gwadar land scam and so on), getting stuff done for their children.]

Add: Gone are the days when Pentagon printed money $$$ were floating to the GHQ motherlands like this. I think they will use more creative ways to feed the hungry monkey (I refrain to use lion). GHQers think they can fool people. I think not!

Unless someone leaks the new ways for the $$$ coming in...wait for few years to get more sources online.

Good charts.

Simply means we accept contract job from USA during military regime

And we refuse to do civilian contracts during Civilians rule.



It is really easy to understand these charts if we ignore the conspiracy theories.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

First time I have seen acknowledgement of US SAD/US SF fighting as a team with Pakistani counterparts from a PDF member, but that is probably because I haven't been here for a long period of time yet.

I've said before that the governments of both sides can eliminate some of the mistrust of each other within the public, by being more open about just how much the two nations work together.

this is the truth, no matter how much haters dislike it
mistrust is no problem as long as we dont get carried away and get played by those who have their own axes to grind against us.

our relation with Taliban was over before 9/11 when Prince Tukri of KSA and Pakistani ISI chief met Mullah Omar and told that clueless oaf what mistake he had made by accommodating OBL. we brought the war upon ourselves by opening hostilities with Taliban, we could have done the easier thing by staying completely neutral and simply allowing air corridor to American military. our commitment was far more than that because it was not just USA but KSA as well that was the target of AQ.. our critics forget that fact that we couldnt risk to loose KSA just in case American pressure was not enough.

instead of an acknowledgement of what difficulties we got ourselves into for American war, we were constantly taunted by a group of media and analysts for our previous links and our role in the 80s with mujahideen. but the american CIA field agents and American special ops who have worked with us know it differently and thats what matters because we remained on the same side of the fence.

we are over it now.. Afghanistan is old story.. we will clear the mess in tribal areas now we got Iraq to worry about and i say let those Arabs kill each other.
that place is not worth saving

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Price is paid by the contract workers in all the cases I explained.

So it is upto the contract workers not to use foreign religion to kill each other.

Hope you understand now.




Good charts.

Simply means we accept contract job from USA during military regime

And we refuse to do civilian contracts during Civilians rule.



It is really easy to understand these charts if we ignore the conspiracy theories.

It does not get better than this.

If we know all this...why cannot we try to solve it?

Note: Our civilian leadership except IK (I am his supporter + we have not seen him ruling the country yet so he might turn out to be another NS) is sold out too.

I think during civilian times, politicians are busy making money...+ Global elite only wants to talk to the danda group. The recent pro democracy movements are something new. But at the end, it turns out to be Sissy (Egyptian Sissi).

 

[FaujHistorian]

we brought the war upon ourselves by opening hostilities with Taliban.. ...

Uzbeks and our own waziris brought this war. Pakistani army tried to accommodate them even when they mercilessly killed our jawans all the way back in March-May of 2002.

.we could have done the easier thing by staying completely neutral and simply allowing air corridor to American military. ...

That was not possible. Please review the logistics supply routs.

It does not get better than this.

If we know all this...why cannot we try to solve it?

We can solve this and every other problem if we study it without bias and make decisions.