EU says Turkey must do more

[flamer84]

Agreed... They have been blocking more than 35 Chapters on purpose for ages...

Strange not seeing Turkey as part of Europe isn't it, considering the Ottomans have been controlling more than half of Europe for more than 300 years...

Ottomans never controled more than half of Europe,stop talking crap.

On topic:Turkey shouldn't join the EU,it might look rosy on the outside,and ofcourse the money they give new members for free are good,but on the inside they are a prison of nations,step by step they are eating away national sovereignity,states can't even make some decisions on their own without a EU birocrat poking his nose in,the euro was a fiasco,entire industries have been wiped out in some countries by european common policies.....My advice,stay way clear of this if you can.

 

[Audio]

but on the inside they are a prison of nations,step by step they are eating away national sovereignity,states can't even make some decisions on their own without a EU birocrat poking his nose in,

Yes, loosing sovereignty on issues that affect all, ie environment, fiscal policy (for the euro countries)

the euro was a fiasco,

The euro was a fiasco because there weren't sufficient tools available for it's managing(no fiscal union-and that is precisely because countries had too much sovereignty with spending money.) now, slowly these flaws are being corrected with some additional sovereignty lost.

You can complain about ze evil Germans all you want, but they have been able to foresee the problems a decade before they arose. In my book that gives better legitimacy then government of Greece which got to power promising more and more tax cuts/breaks/benefits if the electorate votes for it.

Not saying Greece should loose it's sovereignty and cede powers to Brussels but in matters where your actions mean consequences not for you only (ie entire eurozone), they really should have 0 input.

entire industries have been wiped out in some countries by european common policies.....

That is called globalization, not EU's fault.

To make it short,Turkey will have all benefits from the EU without beeing a member(works for all).

That won't happen.
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(Reuters) - Turkey is likely to take a long-awaited step on its path towards European Union entry next month, EU officials said on Monday, after France eased its opposition to Ankara's accession talks.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-turkey-eu-idUSBRE94Q0F220130527

We will see what comes of this.

 

[LegionnairE]

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Turkey could only bring some economical stability to the union, they are morons for keeping us out

 

[-SINAN-]

That won't happen.

As Revojam stated before, the most important issue is

Despise the lower tax rate compared non-EU member states our traders still paying some amount tax to sell their products in EU countries on other hand EU countries can sell their products in Turkiye with tax free.

We shouldn't join the EU and let them dictate our national interests.

 

[Audio]

Turkey could only bring some economical stability to the union, they are morons for keeping us out

because Turkey is such a rich nation....please.

As Revojam stated before, the most important issue is

So, you and @revojam can please list all the tax exempted companies. My bet is you won't find any.

 

[flamer84]

Yes, loosing sovereignty on issues that affect all, ie environment, fiscal policy (for the euro countries)




The euro was a fiasco because there weren't sufficient tools available for it's managing(no fiscal union-and that is precisely because countries had too much sovereignty with spending money.) now, slowly these flaws are being corrected with some additional sovereignty lost.

You can complain about ze evil Germans all you want, but they have been able to foresee the problems a decade before they arose. In my book that gives better legitimacy then government of Greece which got to power promising more and more tax cuts/breaks/benefits if the electorate votes for it.

Not saying Greece should loose it's sovereignty and cede powers to Brussels but in matters where your actions mean consequences not for you only (ie entire eurozone), they really should have 0 input.



That is called globalization, not EU's fault.

Nope,I'm even talking about internal matters which only affects the populace of one country.The EU brutally stepped in the internal political affairs of one of its members just to save a politician boeed out by popular vote,just because that particular politician was subservient to EU interests.They threw a hissy about EU laws,etc,etc when in fact things were simple:the general population voted in a referendum to have the guy out,the EU stepped in and kept the guy in office.I lost all my respect for european institutions after that,i saw them for what they really are.

Agreed with you about Greece,they only have themselves to blaim,I don't see Germany as the bad guy here.

 

[-SINAN-]

because Turkey is such a rich nation....please.



So, you and @revojam can please list all the tax exempted companies. My bet is you won't find any.

Sir, I'm not a exporter or a government official, but what we stated is true, our leaders talked about this issue many times before.

 

[Audio]

Nope,I'm even talking about internal matters which only affects the populace of one country.The EU brutally stepped in the internal political affairs of one of its members just to save a politician boeed out by popular vote,just because that particular politician was subservient to EU interests.They threw a hissy about EU laws,etc,etc when in fact things were simple:the general population voted in a referendum to have the guy out,the EU stepped in and kept the guy in office.I lost all my respect for european institutions after that,i saw them for what they really are.

Which country and which politician you speak of?

 

[LegionnairE]

because Turkey is such a rich nation....please.

Sure Turkey is not, you should stick with Greece and such... Since what you want is to dominate non-industrialized economies with your products

You'll end up disintegrating eurozone soon enough with this mindset

 

[Audio]

Sir, I'm not a exporter or a government official, but what we stated is true, our leaders talked about this issue many times before.

Well, i don't have time to look for counter links, but the entire premise of his post sounds wrong. What sort of country would not tax products in it's own market anyway. He made it sound like when you buy a EU product it is tax free. I find that statement wrong. Unless Turkey is most tax friendly country in the world.

 

[flamer84]

Which country and which politician you speak of?

The president of Romania,Traian basescu was impeached by parliament and than voted out by 80% of the voters in a national referendum last year.Despite that,he kept his office until 2014.

 

[Audio]

Sure Turkey is not, you should stick with Greece and such... Since what you want is to dominate non-industrialized economies with your products

You'll end up disintegrating eurozone soon enough with this mindset

Butthurt from a small dose of reality. Spoiled brat.

 

[olcayto]

@Audio

Currently only Germany and France have money to aid other nations. The eu has become a failed concept and has become a burden on the "leaders" of eu.
Turkey does have the resources to spare even if the revenues aren't as big as Germany and France.
I think that what legionnaires was trying to say was that if turkey would join it would fulfill the role of a burden taker and not a burden.

 

[Audio]

The president of Romania,Traian basescu was impeached by parliament and than voted out by 80% of the voters in a national referendum last year.Despite that,he kept his office until 2014.

Admittedly i did not know this. What's the story about the referendum being overturned by Supreme Court due to insufficient turnout?

@Audio

Currently only Germany and France have money to aid other nations. The eu has become a failed concept and has become a burden on the "leaders" of eu.
Turkey does have the resources to spare even if the revenues aren't as big as Germany and France.
I think that what legionnaires was trying to say was that if turkey would join it would fulfill the role of a burden taker and not a burden.

You can take example from Poland. Big, prosperous, no recession, but receives net aid in billions. Please......Turkey isn't the golden goose that will save the EU. You boys need to get that notion out of your heads.

Though i understand you are taken away with hubris a bit, after four (?) decades of attempts you feel you have the upper hand. It really is understandable, but it does not make it correct.

 

[flamer84]

Admittedly i did not know this. What's the story about the referendum being overturned by Supreme Court due to insufficient turnout?

The Constitution of Romania states that a referendum doesn't need a turnout official number to be validated,three months before the impeachment the party of the president still having a majority in parliament introduced a law which stipulated that a referendum is valid when 50%+ 1 turn out to vote(just to protect the president).Other parties tried to repell the law because it's not in the Constitution,millions of romanians work abroad,the numbers of voters on paper are still those in the 90's(population severely decreased from then,dead people are on the lists) but the EU stepped in calling this a "dictat from the majority".All the president had to do was to appeal to his few followers not to come to the vote and so we end up with the minority and the EU deciding that the moron stays in office despite the fact so many voted him out.He is a lackey who votes whatever Merkel tells him to on european matters.

Edit:he was voted out by 88% of the voters.