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If this is the true face of Bangladesh I'm really glad we lost the war in 1971. I only know a couple of Bangladeshi people in real life and both are pious men. The way the country is going though - astagfirullah. Even the white devil has more morality than to consider prostitution a moral way of earning money.
 
If this is the true face of Bangladesh I'm really glad we lost the war in 1971. I only know a couple of Bangladeshi people in real life and both are pious men. The way the country is going though - astagfirullah. Even the white devil has more morality than to consider prostitution a moral way of earning money.

There are mainly two types of Bangladeshis now.

1) Awami League Bangladeshis
2) Non-Awami League Bangladeshis

Here is how I classify Bangladeshis

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Even for the sake of freedom, prostitution is not an honorable and safe job.
This job requires no intelligence, hence undermines the fact that HUMAN race is the most intelligent race.
It is a failure for MANKIND.
Those who are morally supporting this, indeed do not know how to respect women and not good for the MANKIND.
They incline to take responsibility/care/respect women but use women.
Their over confidence simply shows that they are ignorant.
NO knowledgeable person can be that much over confident.
Their agenda is show BD is progressing because such type of twisted freedom and support Awami league.
 
There are mainly two types of Bangladeshis now.

1) Awami League Bangladeshis
2) Non-Awami League Bangladeshis

Here is how I classify Bangladeshis

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Even for the sake of freedom, prostitution is not an honorable and safe job.
This job requires no intelligence, hence undermines the fact that HUMAN race is the most intelligent race.
It is a failure for MANKIND.
Those who are morally supporting this, indeed do not know how to respect women and not good for the MANKIND.
They incline to take responsibility/care/respect women but use women.
Their over confidence simply shows that they are ignorant.
NO knowledgeable person can be that much over confident.
Their agenda is show BD is progressing because such type of twisted freedom and support Awami league.
What a load of verbal diarrhoea. I guess working slave labor for the middle eastern countries is intelligent job, so that should be legal. Respect women but not enough to let them make the decision what they want, you should get to decide for them. And the projection that it is you who are respecting them. People like me don't tell whores they are bad for whoring, we don't force them to bend to our moral values. They have their own, personal values is different to each person.

"failure for mankind"- fk off. You really took mankind really high with slave labor for the Saudi and high morality of banning people to marry saudis from BD or PK.

"Human race is the most intelligent race"- Clearly not and you are living proof of that.
 
What a load of verbal diarrhoea. I guess working slave labor for the middle eastern countries is intelligent job, so that should be legal. Respect women but not enough to let them make the decision what they want, you should get to decide for them. And the projection that it is you who are respecting them. People like me don't tell whores they are bad for whoring, we don't force them to bend to our moral values. They have their own, personal values is different to each person.

"failure for mankind"- fk off. You really took mankind really high with slave labor for the Saudi and high morality of banning people to marry saudis from BD or PK.

"Human race is the most intelligent race"- Clearly not and you are living proof of that.

1. A responsible MAN can not go and use a hooker. But the pricks. A responsible person will try help a hooker to find a respectful job and will try to secure her life without letting her feel low self-esteem.

2. Arabs can be so racists. But does it justify prostitution?

3. then which race/species is the most intelligent ? Again you being so CONFIDENT IGNORANT!
 
1. A responsible MAN can not go and use a hooker. But the pricks. A responsible person will try help a hooker to find a respectful job and will try to secure her life without letting her feel low self-esteem.
You just have spoken my words bro. :agree:

If this is the true face of Bangladesh
It's just a very small part . BD folks have high dignity trust me.
Please don't be fooled with Awami cult propaganda. Unfortunately our media is under control of pseudo seculars and here they will only preach and Hail the dark side ( that is ideal for pseudo seculars) of BD. They are doing so because they wand BD to accept their who.re culture.

Bangladesh is no less Muslim than Pakistan and other Muslim nation.

Will you bring your family girls in your so called "very good service" ? Naujubillah:crazy:
Wasn't he just joking? Not sure! If he was serious , then there is no doubt that such Bangladeshis are screwed up!


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So guys who are praising prostitution are ( all of them) serious ? Not sure yet! If they are serious, then surely BD is going to be fuked up very soon unless they are socially confronted .
 
Should muslims be killed in Myanmar if majority public says yes?
You used such absurd logic when I was speaking against public wine selling.
Just tell me what is the reason that you bring miyanmer genocide every where? Why do you mix up with the two things.
If peoples want they can stop anything that is immoral in their point of view . How can you compare democratic genocide ( what should I call it?) with other things ??
How those two thing can even be comparable .
If peoples want they can vote against public nudity or for public public nudity, they can vote for religion and against religion, they can vote of prostitution too if they wish, and they can vote against it.
But no one can vote for murder, and to know this, every people don't need to be Einstein.
You are just pushing words with fallacy.
 
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And what if their moral values say murder is ok...but mine say's its not? I have no right to impose my moral values on them?
Forget about murder for a moment.

In general, do you think it is fine for you to impose your moral value on others?
Why have a common body of laws (with enforcement <---notice how force is in that word) for more than the individual in the first place actually? At every level you are imposing on some non-zero number of people if you do so right?

@Desert Fox @Psychic @Skies
There should be laws preventing murders and stuff...because it harms others. I mean one wouldn't consensually want to be murdered, would he/she? Laws should be there to prevent things that are harmful to others...like stop underage prostitution or forced prostitution....but if someone adult wants to make money by sleeping with others, why should there be laws against it? What harm it does to anyone?
This thread, comments about gdp, moral values(lack of), relationship between bro/sis(ewww wtf), everything here is weird and stinks.
Still much better than Central & South Asia section where you guys discuss rape all the time.

Even for the sake of freedom, prostitution is not an honorable and safe job.
Working as a laborer isn't considered honorable.
Working as a firefighter is not safe.
This job requires no intelligence, hence undermines the fact that HUMAN race is the most intelligent race.
It is a failure for MANKIND.
The fact is Prostitution is and has always been there.
1. A responsible MAN can not go and use a hooker. But the pricks. A responsible person will try help a hooker to find a respectful job and will try to secure her life without letting her feel low self-esteem.
Well, there are not many responsible man out there. A responsible man should pay his taxes properly. A responsible man should not bribe to get his work done. A responsible man should walk carefully on the roads. A responsible man should follow traffic rules while driving.

Society should have the option to cater needs of irresponsible men. Irresponsible doesn't always mean bad. A man who bribes to get his work done in a govt office(where without bribing files don't move to begin with) may not be very responsible but may not be bad either. If catering needs for some irresponsible men(the ones who would visit brothels) opens up a door to make money for some(hookers), what's your problem? No one is forcing you to go to brothels.

You show such absurd logic when I was speaking against public wine selling.
Just tell me what is the reason that you bring miyanmer genocide every where? Why do you mix up with the two things.
If peoples want they can stop anything that is immoral in their point of view . How how you can compare democratic genocide ( what should I call it?) ??
How those two thing can even be comparable .
If peoples want they can vote against public nudity or for public public nudity, they can vote for religion and against religion, they can vote of prostitution too if they wish, and they can vote against it.
But no one can vote for murder, and to know this, no one don't need to be Einstein.
You just pushing words with fallacy.
So you want public opinion to be effective where it suits you and shut it where it doesn't?

Individual choices are for individuals to make. No need for unnecessary laws in a lawless country like ours.
 
So you want public opinion to be effective where it suits
Indeed. Because I am one of them and I have the right to choose, and I am choosing the right path that is good for mankind. I just want balance.

Nothing can be or should be established by completely ignoring public opinion, no laws can be or should be made if it will be the cause of chaos .
Even lots of British laws are dependent on tradition, not on your hypothesis. And also it's not necessary to break every old traditions and such thoughts are meaningless as long as they aren't harmful for the society.
Individual choices are for individuals to make.
Not everytime. You live far from reality . You don't understand public sentiment. you don't pay attention to public opinion, and peoples like you will never ever be in power.If by any chance they will be in power they will be thrown out like kemal beghairat pasha of Turkey.
That's why
No need for unnecessary laws in a lawless country like ours.
Bangladesh is not lawless. Yes we have some limitations , still we are improving slowly .
The problem is where you live, you always see other places as colorful as your own place.
But the world is very harsh. If you remove your pink glass and try to see the world, you will realize.
So there shouldn't be place for individual's perverted thoughts.
If someone want to make porno and freely publish everywhere, that must not be allowed.
 
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If this is the true face of Bangladesh I'm really glad we lost the war in 1971. I only know a couple of Bangladeshi people in real life and both are pious men. The way the country is going though - astagfirullah. Even the white devil has more morality than to consider prostitution a moral way of earning money.
This isn't about morals, more about what's legal and what's not.

There are mainly two types of Bangladeshis now.

1) Awami League Bangladeshis
2) Non-Awami League Bangladeshis

Here is how I classify Bangladeshis

View attachment 469530

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Even for the sake of freedom, prostitution is not an honorable and safe job.
This job requires no intelligence, hence undermines the fact that HUMAN race is the most intelligent race.
It is a failure for MANKIND.
Those who are morally supporting this, indeed do not know how to respect women and not good for the MANKIND.
They incline to take responsibility/care/respect women but use women.
Their over confidence simply shows that they are ignorant.
NO knowledgeable person can be that much over confident.
Their agenda is show BD is progressing because such type of twisted freedom and support Awami league.
Atheists are not even 1% of Bangladesh's population yet they're a huge boogeyman. Sad and hilarious at the same time.
 
Atheists are not even 1% of Bangladesh's population yet they're a huge boogeyman. Sad and hilarious at the same time.
There is no atheist or secular exist in Bangladesh. All are just pseudo atheist, so vondo varaity .
You don't necessarily need to be chaotic in order to be an atheist.
Yes atheist is who refuse the existence of almighty, that's no big deal.
The real problem of BD atheist or seculars is , they are chhupa hindutva ,who want to destroy BD moral, or some ultra modern taut fashionable crap who pretend to be the wisest folks, but in reality they are garbage who doesn't have slightest respect for other folk's feelings.
Their aim is either to spread hindutva culture and to destroy Muslim culture, or simply they ( who are not hindutva) want to impress women.
End of story.
If someone really atheist he doesn't necessarily need to screw public sentiment.
 
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Forget about murder for a moment.

In general, do you think it is fine for you to impose your moral value on others?

Why should I forget about/exclude murder? Its a part of a moral standard isnt it? Yes its fine to impose moral values on others that want to live as part of a civilisation (and its important to take stock of the full existence of civilisation, not just blindly dismiss all of that...given what you inherit from it is why you even exist in first place to even have the option to rebel against it).

If certain people are of the opinion that the concept of moral standards should never extend past the individual in an absolute sense (i.e anarchy essentially), they are free to set up their own society proving such first...not try this failing nonsense of promoting ego-centric feelings based neo-standards of their neo-cult...but they are not in-tune enough to see the damage they do, its all about simply getting enough ppl to become like them, just like an ever growing opium den.

There should be laws preventing murders and stuff...because it harms others.

One can argue the harm done in prostitution, drugs, incest and a myriad of other things....not to mention the slippery slope of going about determining what exactly is consensual and what isn't.

A prostitute can tell you she's doing it out of her free will.....when she really isn't (and her pimp basically forced her to say that).....and then there's the case of the ones that got into it (in whatever combination of voluntary, forced, economic forced etc) as children/teens, its the only life they ever knew....is their opinion on it going to be really "free-will"?

To me a good standard has existed in every human society - marriage.....that by and large if properly applied, is the ideal when it comes to human sexual relations (for the greater purpose of both procreation, health and long term psyche/social stability). That should be whats focused on (improving institutionally with the notion of free will and consensus) FIRST....before we debate such concepts outside of marriage.....because of the clear positive externalities of the former, and the clear negative ones of the latter (again both history and intuition should tell you enough on it). If you get the order wrong in the approach (try to set up the sail and rigging before you check the hull is stable), you will capsize the boat altogether.

I mean one wouldn't consensually want to be murdered, would he/she?

I dunno, you tell me....do people ever request others to help them with their suicide? A decent lawyer will get the charge of the "assistant" down to manslaughter (if there is the body of evidence for it) given the intent of the victim....but intuitively there are always going to be a certain section of people that want to off themselves...but need others to help them (there's the whole euthanasia thing popping up now too). Death cults exist too, there are many examples. Should we tolerate all that in the ideal of "consensus"....given how flawed determining consensus can be? What if a kid or baby is brought with the parent into some such cult? Has the free-will been properly established? Just read what happened at Waco....read Jonestown....think of all the other parallels, all the smaller, localised instances of such. You tell me.

There is reason why if even a sliver of reasonable doubt exists in criminal court proceeding....the accused is to be found innocent, not guilty. Why should this not apply to consensus too?....i.e if there is a sliver of coercion....absolute free will does not apply. When applied at macro level (society), the only optimal way (again its how humans work/think over our body of historical evidence) to prevent this is to have the moral standard reflect it by clear preventive-based delineation.

People that want to experiment and tinker with this stuff should prove it (that yes anarchy can sustain and prosper) in a pure, crystallised form outside of the millenia long civilisations they have gotten their food, oxygen, water, nurturing and existence from.....rather than undermine it all from within based on their fickle emotions and short lifetime.

Laws should be there to prevent things that are harmful to others...like stop underage prostitution or forced prostitution

It is not really pragmatic way to do it...given what I just talked about (i.e say evil/vice/negative externality stuff....is ok as long as its all consensual/free will)....given the problems determining that free will in the first place.

It is best to legislate by absolute preventive standards and then adjust the enforcement/penalties...rather than change the legislation itself (and try sort out the resulting cascade on the ground). When you see a fence, its best to stop and realise why its there, argue the pros and cons before you remove it (and even then best to remove just a small section to be certain about the effects on smaller scale)....than just tear it down right away because its a fence...and your feelings are that fences suck!

The closer a civilisation is to the ideals that have propelled it thus far...that it has gained by both seeing its own history and introspecting on it to form a natural intution....the better it will continue to do. The fact most if not all civilisations are rapidly straying away from this process is something every civilisational essence (call it religion, culture what have you) has also discussed in their end of times commentaries. The ego is truly the worst thing infecting mankind now....we live better now and think its due to us being inherently better than those that got us to to this point....and often we feel so comfortable and removed we even insult those forefathers as fools, barbarians, ignorant and whatnot. In there lies the seed of our own doom.

@Desert Fox @Psychic @Skies @Centaur

Their aim is either to spread hindutva culture

That is not correct analysis. Don't label what they are doing with actual Hindu cultural essence. They pick and choose from everywhere, and later will abandon when it suits them too. Actual Hindutva is something else entirely.
 
One can argue the harm done in prostitution, drugs, incest and a myriad of other things....not to mention the slippery slope of going about determining what exactly is consensual and what isn't.

A prostitute can tell you she's doing it out of her free will.....when she really isn't (and her pimp basically forced her to say that).....and then there's the case of the ones that got into it (in whatever combination of voluntary, forced, economic forced etc) as children/teens, its the only life they ever knew....is their opinion on it going to be really "free-will"?

To me a good standard has existed in every human society - marriage.....that by and large if properly applied, is the ideal when it comes to human sexual relations (for the greater purpose of both procreation, health and long term psyche/social stability). That should be whats focused on (improving institutionally with the notion of free will and consensus) FIRST....before we debate such concepts outside of marriage.....because of the clear positive externalities of the former, and the clear negative ones of the latter (again both history and intuition should tell you enough on it). If you get the order wrong in the approach (try to set up the sail and rigging before you check the hull is stable), you will capsize the boat altogether.
Well said.
It's rather funny that he said that these things are not harmful to others. People are myopic, they can't foresee the destruction of the social fabric at the hand of this "freedom". I had a similar debate a long time ago on pdf with a professional who said that incest and booze are not harming him so the law should be OK with it. That thread was about a marriage between grandmother and grandson. I didn't bother to go ahead with the debate in that thread but you have nailed it.
 
Indeed. Because I am one of them and I have the right to choose, and I am choosing the right path that is good for mankind. I just want balance.

Nothing can be or should be established by completely ignoring public opinion, no laws can be or should be made if it will be the cause of chaos .
Even lots of British laws are dependent on tradition, not on your hypothesis. And also it's not necessary to break every old traditions and such thoughts are meaningless as long as they aren't harmful for the society.
If I want to whore myself out and make money that way, why should I bother about public opinion?
What you and @Nilgiri see is from collectivist society while I see things from individualist society.
Where the world is going, you tell me? Homosexuality is gradually being accepted by people....Or do you want death penalty for those who indulge in homosexual activities? Because homosexuality somehow harms the society?
Not everytime. You live far from reality . You don't understand public sentiment. you don't pay attention to public opinion, and peoples like you will never ever be in power.If by any chance they will be in power they will be thrown out like kemal beghairat pasha of Turkey.
I don't have to understand public sentiment when I am making a personal choice. And prostitution has been there no matter who were in power throughout the history.
If someone want to make porno and freely publish everywhere, that must not be allowed.
Ban p0rn sites? C'mon who hasn't watch some p0rno in his life? Perverted? Maybe..but to a point everyone is perverted. These things are there and you can pass a law banning them, but you won't be able to effectively ban these. Thus don't even try....you will spend you money, resources and efforts and will barely accomplish anything. .
Yes its fine to impose moral values on others that want to live as part of a civilisation
So, it's alright to force you child to study medicine when he/she has more interest in studying anthropology? This is how imposition of values work on large scale. I see people as individuals and you see people as part of the society. When Ram Mohon Roy wanted to abolish practices such as 'sati' general public said it would harm 'hindu religioin'....people opposed when Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar wanted to legalize widow marriage people said it would destroy hindu religioin...every social reform is seen as a negative by some people who wants to keep the society static....but change is the only truth. Homosexuality was frowned upon decades ago and now it is slowly getting accepted.
Being an unmarried parent was a shameful thing in the US 50 years back.....and now it is a very common thing. This is how society change. Society is there to make peoples life easier.

How people came to form community? When they were hunters and gatherers people thought hunting together would be more effective and eventually made some rules to stick together better.
Society was formed so that people can live better. Thus it will have to change its ways according to people's desire.
One can argue the harm done in prostitution, drugs, incest and a myriad of other things....not to mention the slippery slope of going about determining what exactly is consensual and what isn't.
Yeah...you whore yourself out....You are either harming yourself or your customer. If both are okay with it then, its fine. You take drugs...only one you are harming is yourself. And if you are doing it willingly, your choice. Incest between two consenting adults is the same thing.

While if you murder you are harming someone else who is not okay with it. If you rape you are harming someone who is not okay with it. Is that so hard to understand?
A prostitute can tell you she's doing it out of her free will.....when she really isn't (and her pimp basically forced her to say that).....and then there's the case of the ones that got into it (in whatever combination of voluntary, forced, economic forced etc) as children/teens, its the only life they ever knew....is their opinion on it going to be really "free-will"?
Thus, I said, Prostitution has to be regulated properly and taxed as well. Laws should be there to prevent forced prostitution and child prostitution and you have to create such an environment where hookers can come out and speak about their difficulties without feeling any shame. Laws should be there to ensure hookers get medical checkups every no and then. Banning prostitution doen't make it go away. You need to understand this. Why not make it legal and regulate it better?
To me a good standard has existed in every human society - marriage.....that by and large if properly applied, is the ideal when it comes to human sexual relations (for the greater purpose of both procreation, health and long term psyche/social stability). That should be whats focused on (improving institutionally with the notion of free will and consensus) FIRST....before we debate such concepts outside of marriage.....because of the clear positive externalities of the former, and the clear negative ones of the latter (again both history and intuition should tell you enough on it). If you get the order wrong in the approach (try to set up the sail and rigging before you check the hull is stable), you will capsize the boat altogether.
So, sex without marriage should be prohibited? And those indulge in it should be punished? Well, I have done this. Now tell me what punishment should I face?

You are living in an idealist world. Things don't work that way. It just doesn't. Two person came into contact and they liked each other and so they had sex.....how the hell you stop this kind of incidents? You just can't. In Bangladesh age of consent is 14 afaik...which is fine. And age to become an adult is 18....while I don't think someone gets matured overnight from 17 to 18 but you have to find an age for everyone and consider persons of that age has the right to decide certain things for himself/herself. And thus they are accountable for their choices and unless they harm someone with their choices, they should be allowed to live they way they want.
I dunno, you tell me....do people ever request others to help them with their suicide? A decent lawyer will get the charge of the "assistant" down to manslaughter (if there is the body of evidence for it) given the intent of the victim....but intuitively there are always going to be a certain section of people that want to off themselves...but need others to help them (there's the whole euthanasia thing popping up now too). Death cults exist too, there are many examples. Should we tolerate all that in the ideal of "consensus"....given how flawed determining consensus can be? What if a kid or baby is brought with the parent into some such cult? Has the free-will been properly established? Just read what happened at Waco....read Jonestown....think of all the other parallels, all the smaller, localised instances of such. You tell me.
Euthanasia or physician assisted suicide should be legalized with some certain procedure. If you want to die then its your choice.
It is best to legislate by absolute preventive standards and then adjust the enforcement/penalties...rather than change the legislation itself (and try sort out the resulting cascade on the ground). When you see a fence, its best to stop and realise why its there, argue the pros and cons before you remove it (and even then best to remove just a small section to be certain about the effects on smaller scale)....than just tear it down right away because its a fence...and your feelings are that fences suck!
The thing is you can't. Just look around and see where the world is going. People will always act according to their will. Why is it so hard to leave them be, when you know you can't stop them to begin with? Prostitution has existed since forever and in every society no matter how religious. Standards of society changes with time. It was standard for women to stay at home and do chores. And in our South Asian society many still expects women to stay at home. Do you support that as well? People should caring about things that don't bother them.
 
Working as a laborer isn't considered honorable.
Working as a firefighter is not safe.

Holy crap! So you have compared those jobs with prostitution ? Have you completely lost your mind ?
From where you get that idea that working as labour is not honorable ? Infact before industrialization almost everyone ( except land lords)needed to hard work in order to get food?
Why the heck they didn't do prostitution instead of hard working?
Why had prostitution always been condamed? Or are you promoting your utopian holy who.re concept during the age of Babylon empire where there goddess inanna was worshiped as sacred prostitute?
Even in that era without some exceptions prostitution was never colorful jobs as you are thinking.
And about safe job? So since firefight isn't safe so it can be comparable to holy prostitution ?
If fire fighters won't fight, you will be burnt and die .

But just tell me what the hell will happen in society if prostitutes stop working ? Nothing will happen. Wtf will happen in society if pornography is banned? Is it harmful ?
No it's not , but it will prevent lots chaos.
One thing keep in mind , you guys are promoting prostitution not for the freedom, but you guys are doing so in order to enjoy them and also to spread chaos in society.

I see things from individualist society.
No such thing existed, nor will be come to an existence.l, atleast not effectively .
 

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