Erdogan says Saudi 'put pressure' on Pakistan to withdraw from Malaysia summit: Turkish media

[Valar.]

A Bangladesh was a victim not long ago. Thats just the ones that speak out. I speak of south asian.
I'm done with you. Believe what you want.

There are countries who sign bilateral agreements with Gulf Arab countries to provide housemaids and then they recruit women from their own countries, give them 3/4 months of training and then send them to GCC. Bangladesh/Indonesia/Phillipines/Sri Lanka etc send their women to be housemaids. Pakistan does not. Those who send, their women in some cases become victim of abuse. Since, Pakistan does not even allow to send our women to be housemaids there, so there is no abuse.

 

[nahtanbob]

Because Turkey hates Pakistan... happy now?
I guess if you happy to take orders for money, thats fine. I mean, I guess thats what its all about in life, money.
But we Turks say money is not everything. pride is more important.

that is why you are licking Uncle Sam boots in NATO

 

[Attila the Hun]

that is why you are licking Uncle Sam boots in NATO

Why would we lick their boots?

 

[Crusher]

Because Turkey hates Pakistan... happy now?
I guess if you happy to take orders for money, thats fine. I mean, I guess thats what its all about in life, money.
But we Turks say money is not everything. pride is more important.

But why Kazakhs, Uzbeks and Kirghiz don't share this trait with you despite being much more purer "turks" than you, I think this "pride" thing is not a "turkic" feature but rather a middle eastern and balkan characteristic.

 

[Attila the Hun]

There are countries who sign bilateral agreements with Gulf Arab countries to provide housemaids and then they recruit women from their own countries, give them 3/4 months of training and then send them to GCC. Bangladesh/Indonesia/Phillipines/Sri Lanka etc send their women to be housemaids. Pakistan does not. Those who send, their women in some cases become victim of abuse. Since, Pakistan does not even allow to send our women to be housemaids there, so there is no abuse.

Thats good. and I'm glad to hear that. Bangladesh and rest need their head checked ffs.

But why Kazakhs, Uzbeks and Kirghiz don't share this trait with you despite being much more purer "turks" than you, I think this "pride" thing is not a "turkic" feature but rather a middle eastern and balkan characteristic.

We're not "pure" Turks so some claim, maybe thats why? Kazakhs and rest of Turkics were conquered and ruled by others for centuries... might played a part in that.

 

[anatolia]

if you want to improve the lots of Pakistanis (you claim to be concerned about the welfare of Pakistanis and the Pakistani state) the easiest way is to sign a free trade agreement

a free trade agreement is not charity. Pakistanis would still have to produce stuff Turks want to buy

why is this so hard to comprehend ? @Attila the Hun @anatolia

i will if iam in charge.. any way turkey is still developing country and still need to be protected but insallah future we will do more business insallah..good night

 

[Crusher]

Thats good. and I'm glad to hear that. Bangladesh and rest need their head checked ffs.


We're not "pure" Turks so some claim, maybe thats why? Kazakhs and rest of Turkics were conquered and ruled by others for centuries... might played a part in that.

Absolutely not , I have read history of turkic dynasties in Pakistan and India and I found them one of the most "pragmatic" people from the accounts I have read, their character was indeed very similar to modern Kazakh, Uzbeks and Kirghiz, brave but always pragmatic.

 

[Lincoln]

I don't mind Pakistan choosing money and siding with Arabs. it makes sense , Pakistan need money and Arabs can provide. But the fact that Arabs have strings attached is not nice is it?

It's either that or its bankruptcy.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Things have finally come to a crossroads in Pakistan with our relationship with KSA. Up until now, we could count on KSA in our time of need without strings attached.

Pakistan also reciprocated help in military and security training and cooperation with KSA.

Several things have been done by KSA recently which have damaged Pakistan directly: abstaining in FATF, normalizing Indian fascists and ignoring Kashmir, and now this blackmail using deposit of USD in Pakistan's banks and expat labor force.

KSA is so worried about keeping Pakistan away from this alliance with Turkey and Malaysia that they are actually pushing us towards them.

Many people have been used to insulting, taking for granted, and belittling the Pakistani nation after 1971, but we are a changed people now who are battle-hardened from the WOT and able to withstand the dictates of Washington.

This is the last time KSA will blackmail Pakistan, now all our energies will be focused on reducing our dependence from KSA, UAE, and other traitors.

This means much stronger ties with China and also Malaysia, Turkey. We will extradite ourselves from this situation.

Don't ever count out the Pakistani nation, the only nation founded on Islam, that nation blessed by the duas of our ancestors and our elders, the successor of ghazis (Muslim conquerors) and sultans (Muslim emperors.)

We have only now started to fight.

 

[Mav3rick]

No we can not, just to understand the influence of GCC and KSA alone, they once attacked by Iran has paid for US Armed forces to defend them . They are sitting a huge percentage of Oil reserves , mixed that with Other GCC and you understand, Iran can never be a replacement for KSA, and Turkey will not break any ties with Pakistan over one Summit .

Iran too is sitting on huge reserves of Oil and Gas and can very easily replace Saudi Arabia and UAE. The loss from remittances, in case the Pakistani community in UAE and SA are repatriated, can very easily be offset by cheaper Iranian crude, gas and electricity. Plus we not only secure another border but also gain a very strong ally.

And don't forget, this is merely an alternate scenario that can be presented to KSA and UAE, we don't actually have to go to that extreme. It is just to explain to the Saudis that we too have 'options', if push comes to shove!

It sounds great on the paper but what can Iran offer to Pakistan? Turkey can offer technology and technical assistance but won’t allow unskilled workers from Pakistan to work in Turkey.

• Saudi Arabia offers cheap oil on deferred payments
• We have a large military presence there and Saudi pay to protect them (If relationship goes sour, our Army can be replaced my Bangladeshi army).
• Four million Pakistani working in Saudi Arabia.

As explained in my post above, Iran can assist us with our biggest need --> Oil, Gas and Electricity and Iran can do it a lot cheaper.

And in which dream can the Pakistani Army be replaced by any other Army, including the US Army????? The fact is that the Saudis are aware our Pakistani soldiers would gladly sacrifice their lives in defense of the holy land whereas no other nationality would do that.

 

[Indos]

As far as I saw, there are large number of PDF members who are upset about IK's recent decision change regarding the KL-19 summit.

I translated for you the answer to the question asked about this issue, in the interview which gave to journalists on the return from the Summit.

The whole interview is here: https://www.aydinlik.com.tr/erdogan-bizim-de-yaptirimlarimiz-olacak-turkiye-aralik-2019
(Sorry, only Turkish)



QUESTION: How do you evaluate the absence of Pakistan and Indonesia from the Kuala Lumpur Summit, as a result of pressure from KSA ?

RTE: Such attitudes of the royal administrations of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi are not seen for the first time, many examples. Unfortunately, we see that Saudi Arabia is putting pressure on Pakistan's will, again. Now, they have some promises to Pakistan regarding the Central Bank. (Probably what IK explained to RTE) But above all, 4 million Pakistanis work in Saudi Arabia. These people also take care of their families in Pakistan.

After this situation ( triple mechanism) they made threats our counterparts like “we send them back, we take Bangladeshi instead.”

On the other hand, in related to the KL-2019 summit; They also threatened Pakistan on economic sanction issues related to the Central Bank, such as ‘So we withdraw our money”.

As result of all of these, Pakistan, which is in serious economic difficulties, had to adopt a different attitude at this point.

In other words, praise be to Allah, they cannot come to our near with this style. It's all about posture. When there is a stance, the doors are opened with the grace of Allah. I hope that one day our brothers will realize this.

Indonesia is sending its Foreign Minister though.

 

[jupiter2007]

Iran too is sitting on huge reserves of Oil and Gas and can very easily replace Saudi Arabia and UAE. The loss from remittances, in case the Pakistani community in UAE and SA are repatriated, can very easily be offset by cheaper Iranian crude, gas and electricity. Plus we not only secure another border but also gain a very strong ally.

And don't forget, this is merely an alternate scenario that can be presented to KSA and UAE, we don't actually have to go to that extreme. It is just to explain to the Saudis that we too have 'options', if push comes to shove!



As explained in my post above, Iran can assist us with our biggest need --> Oil, Gas and Electricity and Iran can do it a lot cheaper.

And in which dream can the Pakistani Army be replaced by any other Army, including the US Army????? The fact is that the Saudis are aware our Pakistani soldiers would gladly sacrifice their lives in defense of the holy land whereas no other nationality would do that.

Pakistan soldiers are not just their to protect holy sites. They are also there to protect certain important installations. If remember correctly Pakistan solider were posted close to Tabuk but after certain incident they were replaced by Saudi troops. If our relationship goes sour with Saudi Arabia, Our army will be replaced with Bangladeshi army since Bangladesh already has a brigade in Saudi Arabia.

Iran might be able to provide oil and gas but we have 4 million Pakistani working in Saudi Arabia, what will happens to them If Saudi Arabia decide to replace them with labor force from another country.
Even if we want to improve relationship with Iran, Saudi and UAE will not allow it since they have helped Pakistan. Until and unless our economy improve and we begin to pay off the loans, we will have to continue to align ourselves with Saudi and UAE.

 

[bsruzm]

Their mentality, well done, Pakistan!

"What have we used you for idiot? Who financed your Nuke Program and provides you with billions of $ in aid and food support. Who provides jobs for 2 million plus of your people. Just tell us one minor good thing Erdoghan and Turkey have done for Pakistan ."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1208287093690183680

 

[StormBreaker]

I don't mind Pakistan choosing money and siding with Arabs. it makes sense , Pakistan need money and Arabs can provide. But the fact that Arabs have strings attached is not nice is it?

World is based on self interests or mutual interests. They wouldn’t just give on a “brother” basis, nope.

 

[shah_123]

that is why you are licking Uncle Sam boots in NATO

This is a very immature+ ignorant post -- Turkey is playing very well with the powers like America, Russia and west Europe; seems you are totally out of touch with ground realities.