Found my old post in a thread posted by an Italian that himself admits what I have written in this thread about the genetic history of Europe. It was a thread that dealt with ancient Southern Europeans/Romans and their very high Middle Eastern admixture.
Many imperial Romans had roots in the Middle East, genetic history shows
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/many...t-genetic-history-shows.642497/#post-11886032
From the very respected Science Magazine.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...s-had-roots-middle-east-genetic-history-shows
What I wrote in that thread.
Middle Eastern Neolithic people = Proto-Semitic or Caucasiod natives of the Arab world.
Since the first Neolithic civilizations in the world originated in the Arab world (Southern Levant and Northern Arabia) and the first Neolithic people (the same people who colonized Europe and introduced farming and what we can describe as the first real advanced civilization in the world) were ancestors of modern-day Arabs.
For instance mummies/skeletons from the Natufian civilization (the people who funded the first settlements in the world and introduced agriculture) native to Southern Sham (Levant) where found to cluster the most with modern-day Arabs in particular Saudi Arabians (who clustered the most).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture
"The
Epipaleolithic Natufian culture /nəˈtuːfiən/[1] existed from around 12,500 to 9,500 BC in the
Levant, a region in the
Eastern Mediterranean. It was unusual in that it supported a
sedentary or semi-sedentary population even before the introduction of
agriculture. The Natufian communities may be the ancestors of the builders of the first
Neolithic settlements of the region, which may have been the earliest in the world. Natufians founded
Jericho which may be the oldest city in the world. Some evidence suggests deliberate cultivation of
cereals, specifically
rye, by the Natufian culture, at
Tell Abu Hureyra, the site of earliest evidence of agriculture in the world.
[2] Generally, though, Natufians exploited wild cereals. Animals hunted included
gazelles.
[3] According to
Christy G. Turner II, there is archaeological and physical anthropological evidence for a relationship between the modern
Semitic-speaking populations of the
Levant and the Natufians.
[4]
Dorothy Garrod coined the term Natufian based on her excavations at
Shuqba cave in Wadi an-Natuf, in the western
Judean Mountains."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture
Here are the DNA results from last 2016
https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL
Here is the entire report:
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf
I am yet to see a non-Saudi Arabian show 100% Middle East on their DNA score.
So those people were basically Proto-Semitic speakers (Afro-Asiatic speakers with certainty - oldest recorded language family in the world, 18.000 years - in other words predating the Neolithic period - so those early Neolithic peoples of the Middle East were Afro-Asiatic speakers) which also explains why most of Southern Europe and much of Europe (in fact over 50%) belong to the J haplogroup (which originated in the Arab world) and the brother I haplogroup as well as the same ancient maternal haplogroups that are native to Arabia.
This also explains why the closest genetic "cousins" to Arabs/Middle Eastern people are Europeans, in particular Southern Europeans outside of ourselves. And why racist European scientists already in ancient times considered the people of the Middle East to be Caucasiod people.
BTW, there are clear similarities between Semitic languages and Celtic ones such as Gaelic, Scottish etc. (Celtic languages in general) which confirms that before the arrival of the Indo-European nomads from modern-day Southern Russia, most if not all Europeans likely spoke Afro-Asiatic languages. What occurred was that the "barbarian" Indo-European nomads killed off many of those Neolithic Europeans in places like the British Isles, Eastern Europe and Scandinavia, yet most of the ancient DNA remained, only the language changed.
Similar with the Anatolians speaking Turkic today yet having little to nothing to do with actual Turkic people, similar with the Hungarians speaking an Finno-Ugric language, despite being Slavic (mostly) genetically and Jamaicans (mostly ancestors of West Africans) speaking English and 100's of other examples.
As for the Roman Empire, literals half of its territory was located in the Arab World/Middle East so not really surprising. Even parts of modern-day KSA (Hijaz) were part of the Roman Empire although ruled by local rulers allied with Rome. Mutual influences occurred both ways too.
Just a small glimpse:
BTW this explains (not even talking about the Arab presence in Sicily and Southern Italy and the strong cultural and linguistic influences) why many Sicilians and Calabrian people often have very familiar facial features to us Arabs. Skin color is irrelevant here although many Sicilians and Calabrians are olive-skinned as well. I have noticed this trend (facial features) more in Sicilians and Southern Italians than anywhere else in Southern Europe alongside Southern Spain (Andalusia - where it has been confirmed that genetically 15-20% of the population have Arab/Berber paternal genes), Cyprus (Greekized Semites in many ways - to this day you have an Cypriotic Arabic dialect - the rarest Arabic dialect in the world), Crete and Southern Greece. Transport those people to the Arab world, give them a tan (time in the sun will quickly ensure that during the summer months), learn them Arabic, make them wear local clothing, and more often than not, you would have a hard time picking many of them apart.
Which actually is not a coincidence when you look at the most common haplogroup of those regions which is the J haplogroup (J1 and J2).
Anyway all of the above (as well as the news of this thread) should not really be news to any educated Italian that has studied the genetic history of Europe, Southern Europe in particular.
History is far more complicated than what is made out and ancient history has nothing to do with modern-day politics.
A correction. Phoenicians were not a nomadic people. Semitic peoples such as Phoenicians where the first settled people and founded the oldest cities and settlements in the world. However Phoenicians were the greatest trading civilization in the ancient world and colonized much of the Mediterranean. You had Phoenician settlements from Portugal in the West to Southern France in the North to Tunisia and Libya in the South to modern-day Palestine/Sinai in the East.
Phoenicians were originally from Eastern Arabia BTW, the borderlands of Arabia, Southern Levant and Southern Mesopotamia being the Urheimat (homeland) of the Semitic peoples.
Most of Southern and Central Italy, including Sardinia, have retained their Middle Eastern Neolithic origins, hence why the haplogroup J (J1 and J2) and haplogroup I (both are brother haplogroups descending from haplogroup IJ, hence the name IJ)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_IJ are the most common in Italy to this very day. It is mostly Northern Italy that is of a more recent Germanic ancestry due to Germanic tribes having dominated that region of Italy in the past 1500 + years starting with the Kingdom of the Lombards. But if I recall, Haplogroup I is the most common haplogroup in Germany (especially Southern Germany), so many of that Germanic influence in Northern Italy is actually ancient Neolithic (Middle Eastern) as well.
How can I keep up with you when I can't even key into the 1,000 permutations you have. My suggestion for your next iteration is "Saif and 1001 Nights". And exactly how do you get away with this on PDF. Have you offered the Webbie a lifetime supply of free oil for his car?
You can't keep up at all, hence I suggest not to embarrass yourself about topics that you have no clue about even though it might sound good in your own self-constructed reality and to comfort yourself.
The same self-constructed reality where you imagine yourself to be ethnically close to the Iranians that you love so much, while the harsh truth is that the Iranians share more genetic closeness to us Arabs (neighboring Arabians and Iraqis in particular) that you hate so much unlike the majority of all Pashtuns be it in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
As for Webby, no favors nor fairytales nor double users, nor free oil (there is no oil in Hijaz).
