Enough is enough

[mikkix]

How?

Talk in chromosome language

What it has links with chromosomes? The difference between male and female is x and y chromosomes. Males posses both.
Proof me wrong because you claimed that a family or lineage can only runs trough a male and i gave you a quranic view.

 

[El Sidd]

What it has links with chromosomes? The difference between male and female is x and y chromosomes. Males posses both.
Proof me wrong because you claimed that a family or lineage can only runs trough a male and i gave you a quranic view.

But the line of Y chromosome ends with last male.

Quran acknowledges this too under what people call patriarchal, the inheritance laws where share of the son is more than the daughter. There is an economic side to it as well.

Syed is a title just like Sir or Khan or Shah.

There is no religious significance to it unless someone is collecting tax by that virtue which is just illegal.

 

[mikkix]

But the line of Y chromosome ends with last male.

Quran acknowledges this too under what people call patriarchal, the inheritance laws where share of the son is more than the daughter. There is an economic side to it as well.

Syed is a title just like Sir or Khan or Shah.

There is no religious significance to it unless someone is collecting tax by that virtue which is just illegal.

Yes Y ends there but it isn't the female is born through x chromosome of father?

Secondly quranic view about inheritance laws is an interpretation of human genes and chromosomes. But has no link with ancestral lineage.
Syed is a title and when i said its not. But the title only used for prophets lineage. I am not claiming any significance for myself but if you read quran ahlul bait are superior but question is who is ahlul bait? Collecting tax by virtue? You mean khums?

 

[El Sidd]

Yes Y ends there

that is enough

isn't the female is born through x chromosome of father?

that is inconsequential

ahlul bait?

people of a persons house when that person was alive.

Collecting tax by virtue? You mean khums?

Among other tributes that may get presented which can be interpreted as such

 

[mikkix]

that is enough



that is inconsequential



people of a persons house when that person was alive.



Among other tributes that may get presented which can be interpreted as such

Maryam was a male? Plz answer this one.
Inconsequential? Ok so we should reject the hadeeth of Mahdi regarding prophets lineage because there isn't any lineage.

that is enough



that is inconsequential



people of a persons house when that person was alive.



Among other tributes that may get presented which can be interpreted as such

If male x is not important then why females requires male x for reproduction. They can take their own x. Isn't?

 

[Hamza913]

I am amazed to read ‘Enough is enough’ and fail to comprehend the real reason behind such furor. Additionally, how did “Urdu” come into it?

It's often enforced to the detriment of other languages. I have no problem with it being the lingua franca, it works as such. But we cannot suppress other languages.

And, me personally, I would like to change our script over to Kharosthi.

 

[mikkix]

It's often enforced to the detriment of other languages. I have no problem with it being the lingua franca, it works as such. But we cannot suppress other languages.

And, me personally, I would like to change our script over to Kharosthi.

Agreed. But did Quaid made a mistake by establishing urdu as a national language in bengal. I belive he did.

 

[W.11]

It's often enforced to the detriment of other languages. I have no problem with it being the lingua franca, it works as such. But we cannot suppress other languages.

And, me personally, I would like to change our script over to Kharosthi.

too much nationalism, kharoshti has been dead for good 1700 years, the sccript predominent before arabic script was devnagri, presently used in northern india, what about gurmukhi script of the sikh punjabis, or the sindhi hindu script preserved in india?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurmukhi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khudabadi_script

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multani_script

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojki_script

regards

 

[El Sidd]

Maryam was a male? Plz answer this one.

Maryam is referred in a feminine tone hence Female would be the box to tick.

If male x is not important

There is no ancestry without the male.

 

[Ace of Spades]

There is no ancestry without the male.

You are right! Y chromosome pass on normally as it is down the lineage.

 

[El Sidd]

You are right! Y chromosome pass on normally as it is down the lineage.

Why is everyone pretending?

 

[Ace of Spades]

Why is everyone pretending?

Pretending of what

 

[V. Makarov]

Pakistani history has, for a long time, been hijacked by the so called "Ashraf" caste of people. These are the folks who claim Arab/Turk/Persian ancestry, and therefore make it their mission to make all of Pakistan embrace their identity and revere them as "truer" Muslims.

I want you to all ponder how effective their propaganda has been. Think about it. Muhammad Bin Qasim is called the first Pakistani. Ashraf lineages are exalted and praised as the ideal standard, whereas native lineages are mostly frowned upon in comparison. Languages like Pashto, Punjabi, etc are tossed out in favour of Urdu. I'm sure you're all also very well aware with these people saying that only they have the right to do certain things (e.g wear green shawls), or that they deserve special respect. And I'm sure you can also all think of people who have embraced these ideas (as some of you older members would remember, even I embraced some of these ideas).

The time has come to cut the crap and end this. Muhammad Bin Qasim did not bleed for Pakistan. The Indo-Pashtun Lodis are our people, not the Turkic Mughals who came to overthrow them. Raja Jayapala ruled over Gandhara and held sway over Kabul for much time too, why do we forget about him? Why don't our history books focus on pre-Islamic dynasties the Rai dynasty? Urdu is no better than Punjabi, nor is a Syed any better than a Jat.

It's not like these so-called Islamic rulers were that Islamic anyway. Many of them were just classist as well as racist scum. For example, the Ummayads literally discouraged non-Arabs converting to Islam. The only people from among these empires that should be praised are the sons of the soil who rose within them despite the challenges that they faced.

The time has come to change, we must focus upon our people. Pakistan being made for Muslims doesn't mean that we are suddenly Ummayads, we are still people from the Indus. Always have been, and always will be. This "Ashraf" caste's propaganda needs to be tossed in the bin, and they too must embrace their Indus roots.

To get rid of the caste and race system, the Deen of Islam was revealed to an Arab named Muhammad (SAW). Now if people still do that, you cannot stop them unless they are educated about the irrelevance of cast and race from a young age. We do not have to care for a Punjabi or an Arab; we have to concern our self with the well being of humans in general, without regard to their religion or race. This is a true definition of a Muslim in my opinion.

Your race or colour does not make you superior. You will see that on the day of judgement.

 

[El Sidd]

Pretending of what

That there is some sort of a pure bloodline out there.

 

[Ace of Spades]

That there is some sort of a pure bloodline out there.

There is none, you do carry traits from your ancestors. But this syed thing, in terms of lineage can't work genetically. Since prophet P.B.U.H didn't had male descendants. However, can have linkage to Hazrat Ali, R.A. And it's a great nisbat to have as well. Or so to other sahaba as well.