Elections every five years a tragedy: PM Imran Khan

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

The long term planning spiel is a crock of crap.

Lolx funny for you to say that sitting here in UK knowing how far the govts in here think in terms of long planning..

Dictators also cosied up to the US during their tenures. It's not through better planning or governance that they achieved higher growth levels. Problem with them is that they destroy the system's ability to self-correct, develop institutional strength, a history and a memory. Every time dictators come, they wipe the slate clean, and every time they leave, we have to back to square one and start working out a newish constitution with poorly managed civilian control. In solid democracies, even minority governments can make the core parts of the state function well if the bureaucracy and institutions are well developed and have decades of processes and systems in place to go about their day to day business.

IMO the only path to long term stability is democracy. And we can forget about trying to run a dictatorship in the modern era. Musharraf was the last who pulled it off. Any modern day attempt would have to reckon with a much less forgiving world.

An element of luck and timing is there too in the case of Musharraf for example. Even during Musharraf era US aid for example was worth 9% of the budget, today it's some tiny fraction of that, way less than 1%. And if he had just stuck around a few years more till 2009-2011, he would have presided himself over the financial crisis and economic slowdown the PPP were blamed for (partially fairly, but mostly out of their control). He left at the perfect time, just before the global financial crisis hit emerging markets, before relations with the US began to sour, and before the financial crisis and energy crises that matured in his tenure fell like a ton of bricks on the new government. Same thing as happened with IK in his transition.

Would you describe Jinnah as a pseudo liberal and having white mentality?


4,5,6 years, it's all fine. As long as we're consistent and not hypocrites about it. There's no way Immy would be singing this tune back in 2017 for example when he was in opposition. We should decide a system and stick with it for the sake of stability and internal credibility.

Dictators had better growth because they had control over everyone not because of US... and aid was given to Mushi for Afghan war and even if it was 9% didnt make much contribution towards civilian side... and Jinnah was a liberal but not like these pseudo khoonis liberals of today..

 

[Jungibaaz]

Lolx funny for you to say that sitting here in UK knowing how far the govts in here think in terms of long planning..

Pls read it again, I'm not saying long term planning isn't important. I'm saying that this is a bs excuse for wanting more than 5 year terms.

Since you brought up the UK, the government here manages that long term planning IK is talking about, while still maintaining a maximum 5 year term, It's codified in UK law under the Fixed-term Parliament Act (2011).

Dictators had better growth because they had control over everyone not because of US... and aid was given to Mushi for Afghan war and even if it was 9% didnt make much contribution towards civilian side... and

Debatable, he also ruled Pakistan during a global economic boom, and left the door before he had a taste of the energy crisis and financial crisis, that brewed and reached maturity under him. I repeat, if he had stayed till 2010-11, he'd have overseen almost the EXACT same conditions we remember during early PPP tenure.

Jinnah was a liberal but not like these pseudo khoonis liberals of today..

I'm sorry to say but our definitions are arbitrary. Point I was making is, if being pro-Western style democracy makes one a pseudoliberal or white mentality in your eyes, then this also applies to Jinnah. The terms of the debate are not in application of subjective terminology.

 

[Cheepek]

Wtf R.I.P. logic..

Not my fault if Pakistanis haven't developed the skill to read between the lines.

 

[VCheng]

Pls read it again, I'm not saying long term planning isn't important. I'm saying that this is a bs excuse for wanting more than 5 year terms.

Since you brought up the UK, the government here manages that long term planning IK is talking about, while still maintaining a maximum 5 year term, It's codified in UK law under the Fixed-term Parliament Act (2011).

PMIK has the path necessary to change the length of the terms by following the prescribed procedure in the Constitution for such an amendment, unless of course he regards that as another "problem" as well. Besides, whatever the length of the term, he still has to deliver in his first term what he promised the nation, so that the nation can award - or not- him another term.

 

[Jungibaaz]

PMIK has the path necessary to change the length of the terms by following the prescribed procedure in the Constitution for such an amendment, unless of course he regards that as another "problem" as well. Besides, whatever the length of the term, he still has to deliver in his first term what he promised the nation, so that the nation can can award - or not- him another term.

I think he’s probably very confident that he’ll be the first ever to complete a full term, courtesy of the same page dynamics. But perhaps worrying about an election in two years time is indicative of not being confident for the next general election.

 

[SQ8]

Why not Erdogan or Mahatir Muhammad? I will relate Hosni Mubarak and Bashar ul Asad with the opposition

Anyways that's not what he said, he was talking about the continuity of the system in an autonomous way not his own term.

Autonomous cannot be done until the complete system in Pakistan is given a clean slate cleanup.
Even in that case, Animal Farm will continue until we make sure it isn’t the Pigs leading the revolution.

 

[VCheng]

I think he’s probably very confident that he’ll be the first ever to complete a full term, courtesy of the same page dynamics. But perhaps worrying about an election in two years time is indicative of not being confident for the next general election.

May be. May be not. The same page dynamics can do only so much in the face of economic realities.

 

[Gangetic]

IK will win the next election by a landslide.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Pls read it again, I'm not saying long term planning isn't important. I'm saying that this is a bs excuse for wanting more than 5 year terms.

Since you brought up the UK, the government here manages that long term planning IK is talking about, while still maintaining a maximum 5 year term, It's codified in UK law under the Fixed-term Parliament Act (2011).



Debatable, he also ruled Pakistan during a global economic boom, and left the door before he had a taste of the energy crisis and financial crisis, that brewed and reached maturity under him. I repeat, if he had stayed till 2010-11, he'd have overseen almost the EXACT same conditions we remember during early PPP tenure.



I'm sorry to say but our definitions are arbitrary. Point I was making is, if being pro-Western style democracy makes one a pseudoliberal or white mentality in your eyes, then this also applies to Jinnah. The terms of the debate are not in application of subjective terminology.

Mate desi/pseudo khooni liberals have nothing to do with western democracy... their idea of democracy is sh*tiest one I have ever seen..

Not my fault if Pakistanis haven't developed the skill to read between the lines.

Well we can read between the lines very well and we can also see how braindead indians are and also how our armed forces burn their arses

 

[Rahil khan]

Lolx funny for you to say that sitting here in UK knowing how far the govts in here think in terms of long planning..

Dictators had better growth because they had control over everyone not because of US... and aid was given to Mushi for Afghan war and even if it was 9% didnt make much contribution towards civilian side... and Jinnah was a liberal but not like these pseudo khoonis liberals of today..

You mean Yahya Khan gave us better growth rate?

 

[Patriot forever]

May be. May be not. The same page dynamics can do only so much in the face of economic realities.

He has already taken the brunt of most difficult decisions in relation to economy, Market valuation of rupee and autonomy of state bank (financial constrain going forward) which resulted in manageable CAD and Primary surplus respectively. That brought the twin deficits under control at a huge political cost but they have to be maintained as well (Government will have little room to maneuver as financial constraints will remain both import related and fiscal discipline (export diversification and inland revenue increase is a time consuming process).
This going is election year is not good.

There are a few things left that are very critical especially in power sector especially in relation to DISCO's and IPP's (In works).

Local gas vs RLNG tariff rationalization (need of the hour as our gas reserves output is falling 15% per annum approx) before it becomes a full on crisis. This is the most difficult of all.

All of these things are necessary, but will further deplete his political capital. He is secure for this term but he is the most unlucky prime minister of all time. If God Forbid he looses he will leave behind a fertile land for another term of loot and plunder and the cycle continues. By the end of next cycle our enemies will be far ahead of us and any confrontation is a lost cause. Look where has India and Bangladesh gone from 2008 to 2018. Even Bangladesh exports were less than us in 2008 now look where they stand let alone India.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

From first 100 days of corruption free Pakistan to the desire of 20 years of


You mean Yahya Khan gave us better growth rate?

If you believe Pakistan will be developed in 100 or 5 or even 10 years you are mistaken bro... 40 years of f*cking up can not be reversed in 10... long term plan is needed for Pakistan to be developed...

And as far as I know Yayha had 11% Zia had 9% and Mushi had 8%...

 

[Rahil khan]

If you believe Pakistan will be developed in 100 or 5 or even 10 years you are mistaken bro... 40 years of f*cking up can not be reversed in 10... long term plan is needed for Pakistan to be developed...

And as far as I know Yayha had 11% Zia had 9% and Mushi had 8%...

Which 40 years of f@@@ing up you are talking about? Are you talking about 1980 to 2020 than Zia and Mushi ruled in same era.... 8 years of Mushi and 11 years of Zia. Lot of things occured in last 40 years. But i'm really curious about how much you actually can explain.

 

[Chakar The Great]

To be honest the solution to this issue is very simple.


Strengthen the institutes, let them make 10 years plans. For instance state bank of Pakistan, Pak Railways or PIA, PTCL, National Bank limited, SSGC, Ministry of Information technology etc they can all have plans.


Elections should happen every 5 years, change in faces shouldn't change the goal posts.

In 60s when Pakistan was progressing once reason were the five year economic plans.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Is Cartoon e-Azam PM Imran Khan admitting that he's so incompetent and pathetic that he wishes to rule for life?

Which traitors are giving him this advice?