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Eight Turkey troops killed in army operations against PKK

Fighting terrorism is not only about killing all the terrorists... it should be about making their supporters stop supporting them one way or another. Using soft power is much more effective than using brutal force as violence just leads to more violence at the end. How many even bigger and stronger countries managed to achieve a final victory over terrorists/guerillas? The Soviets and the Americans in Afghanistan or maybe the French and the Americans in Vietnam? And the list can go on and on, and on. The thing is that in the Middle East soft power is not working- either because a lot of people are badly educated and less intelligent and also because governments also constitute of people who think that everything get's better when you show you are stronger and that you can kill more.

If the Turkish government can't control what happens in those territories in the further southeast, if people up there are strongly against the Turkish state, why should we keep them as a part of our country against their will? I know pride is a hard thing to swallow, history, national ideals and so on but if you are not able to make a bunch of people live peacefully under your control it's better just to leave them and "divorce". It's the same like with cancer- if you want to get cured you either burn it or cut it... maybe both. In my opinion Turkey will be much better to just give those territories where kurds are the overwhelming majority the right to have an independent state, of course it should not be for free.
The Turkish state should take back everything they can that it invested in there, destroy all the infrastructure they built in there or just negotiate to get back a compensation- something similar to what the French did during the Decolonisation of Africa. Turkish state should negotiate for keeping a Turkish ground corridor to Iran, Azerbaijan and Central Asia. At the same time everyone who feels Kurdish and wants to live in Kurdistan should be encouraged to move there, everyone living there who feels Turkish and want to live in Turkey can move here. At the same time I don't think Turkey will lose so much territory even if it loses 20% of it's territory it will be a pretty big state for European standarts. I think Turkey can only win from all this: stop wasting so much money on the war against terrorism, stop losing lives of our young people, have a country with a strong Turkish majority with higher standart of living, more educated and less people that are only consuming our resources without contributing to the State. At the same time we should build a strong fence and border control on the borders- of course with mines and everything that can keep them out- just to show where our country is and where theirs is. After a divorce anyone can take the path they want to. Most people can't realize what they win then they lose. I will always prefer a smaller but stronger Turkish Republic with 90% Turkish majority which is peaceful and developing rather than a bigger Turkey with 20-25% of hostile population which is mostly contributing nothing to this state. Look at Poland or Japan- they also lost their empires and territories that included a lot of nations but now they live in progressive nation states where their brothers constitute more than 98% of the total population. Better be smaller but united instead of bigger and divided.
 
Rest in peace brothers.... Your sacrifices wouldn't go in vain......
 
Sad that Kurds and Turks killing each other, when they shouldn't be. And I'm annoyed by members here encouraging more strife, some on basis of 'Muslim Brotherhlyhood', even though Kurds themselves also happen to be Muslim.
 
Sad that Kurds and Turks killing each other, when they shouldn't be. And I'm annoyed by members here encouraging more strife, some on basis of 'Muslim Brotherhlyhood', even though Kurds themselves also happen to be Muslim.

What I have understood , PKK as a kurdish organization, is not muslim. I dont talk about all Kurds.
 
Sad that Kurds and Turks killing each other, when they shouldn't be. And I'm annoyed by members here encouraging more strife, some on basis of 'Muslim Brotherhlyhood', even though Kurds themselves also happen to be Muslim.

Muslim brotherhood? Where :lol:
 
Muslim brotherhood? Where :lol:

I don't mean the movement, I just mean 'brotherhood' in the general sense, where some Muslims feel obliged to blindly support other Muslims. I personally have gotten past that, do not see things so narrowly. But, more importantly, I don't like this violence between Kurds and Turks, I can understand peoples suffering. Both peoples should look ahead and ask themselves what this violence will bring them. Since everybody IS dying in vain, with nothing to gain.
 
I don't mean the movement, I just mean 'brotherhood' in the general sense, where some Muslims feel obliged to blindly support other Muslims. I personally have gotten past that, do not see things so narrowly. But, more importantly, I don't like this violence between Kurds and Turks, I can understand peoples suffering. Both peoples should look ahead and ask themselves what this violence will bring them. Since everybody IS dying in vain, with nothing to gain.
Take your Muslim brother's and get lost.


"Holy Quran desecrated by PKK in Nusaybin

The ongoing operation in Nusaybin sheds light on PKK desecration of Islam"

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Take your Muslim brother's and get lost.


"Holy Quran desecrated by PKK in Nusaybin

The ongoing operation in Nusaybin sheds light on PKK desecration of Islam"

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I'm positive the conflict involves much more than just PKK alone, so you know where I was getting at. This link proves nothing though. And I don't like taking theological approach at all, if I do, I could render 80-90% of modern day Muslims, non-Muslims, just by using Quran and Hadith sources. So it is not winning game for anyone to play. I personally don't care for religion anymore.
 
I'm positive the conflict involves much more than just PKK alone, so you know where I was getting at. This link proves nothing though. And I don't like taking theological approach at all, if I do, I could render 80-90% of modern day Muslims, non-Muslims, just by using Quran and Hadith sources. So it is not winning game for anyone to play. I personally don't care for religion anymore.
Okay, get lost now.
 
Ina lilahe wa ina elehe rajion---we are with our brothers:(
 
Do you really believe this?

If you do, I wanna ask you how? When?

According current fight against terrorist makes you believe that I am afraid you are in dreams.
As long as we are not starting to fight against terrorism pkk and it's militants will be exist forever.

After all those losses, current gov. won't fight against terrorism. They loaded hole burden on the shoulder of army and fooling people lies of so called anti-terrorism policy. They couldn't send so called parliamentarians of hdp to the courthouse. They are terrorizing in the parliament but none can't do anything just because they are so called chosen ones.

Well, as long as our people won't open the eyes and see the reallity, we will live terrorism of pkk forever. When Turkiye starts to fight against terrorism that time this terror will be finished. Otherwise you will keep saying that " this time this shittt finish" just like you have been saying for 40 years.
Sad that Kurds and Turks killing each other, when they shouldn't be. And I'm annoyed by members here encouraging more strife, some on basis of 'Muslim Brotherhlyhood', even though Kurds themselves also happen to be Muslim.

I am a Kurd and elhamdulillah Muslim too. Neither l nor other Kurds who are just like me, fight with our Turkish brothers. I love my country and my people. Allah c.c. created us in different nationalities but we are muslims. Unlike pkk and it's militants. Thats the why we are pkk's no1 targets.

Everyone thinks and believes pkk fights for the rights of Kurds. This is the biggest lie of them. So far pkk has been killed Kurds (including new born babies) more than others. Even more than ISIS.

Don't be fooled with their lies my friend. They are not muslims and not fighting for we Kurds
 
this will never stop if we do not do this:

change the education system make it better:
- less holidays and split up holidays
- anti PKK lessons in school
- school system from 8 o'clock till 15..
- 2 days a week religious lessons against other fanatics
- look at finland and others who have good education system
- good and healthy food

change the media
- make it like germany..
germany has pro and contra media but all under deep control of state
- every media has to show documentary against pkk and other terrorists..
- every media has to have a section for religion against other fanatics
- full media campaign against pkk and supporter
Propaganda is the most powerfull thing

laws:
- we need better laws for protection of our security forces and more rights to secret service..
-camps for children to get our of PKK thing to show them who and what is wrong.. not jail but camps to bring them to the
society back
the right to take children from parants away if they arn't be able to look after them..
parants have to pay for the damage children made..
pkk Supporter and PKK terrorist will lose all they have.. their hose money car everything..
pkk members should be put in jail or send elsewere like n iraq


we need stronger police in the head of the ppl you should not think that you can hit or do some crime against a police officer without really bad consequences for you, everyone with a molotov should be shot immediatly this is a deadly weapon


politics
we must do some things like israel strike them where we can..
kill them even in EU or US even if you have to poisen them or make an car incident..
pressure on EU as much as possible
every foreign fighter of pkk must be send to a turkish guantanamo without rights without registration they are not there.. no one except dust can escape this camps.. no one is allowed to make any photo any video any tv program about this camps..

we need to investigate all payment and all connections pkk have and cut it like many kurds abroad are pkk supporter or pkk helper or fighters or else.. this ppl must loose everything in turkey it should not possible for them to have a house or else there and we should look after their familes (telefones, bank accounts etc) if they have a foreign passport than its a jackpot dont give them turkish one and let them loose every right in turkey..
 
In the videos uploaded by PKK, it has shown that terrorists used igla, and it was a planned attack as they have guessed aerial support would be delivered. Its totally an ambush, and not technical problem as TSK has stated ( there is no blow up, indirectly a failure of tail, ended up with falling down)
Its totally clear, the weapon was smuggled from somewhere and terrorists havent got any idea about how to use it, else than triggering.
Rip to our brothers.

Not uploading video due to sensivity and with the reason of terrorist propaganda included.
 

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