Egyptian Armed Forces

[Muhammed45]

Egyptian F-16 & Pakistani JF-17 Block II- Gulf Shield;

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Where the image was taken @DESERT FIGHTER , ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@DESERT FIGHTER , is this along the same lines of what you did?

Members of the Egyptian Ministry of the Interior armed with Beretta 70/90 assault rifles during their participation in United Nations peacekeeping forces.

Unit 777 counter-terrorism and hostage rescue team with their Bahraini counterparts.

Navy SOF during Gulf Shield 1

I’m sorry I didn’t understand your question you mean UN Mission?

No, my father was posted in Ivory Coast as an Observer Mission Leader.

Where the image was taken @DESERT FIGHTER , ?

KSA... on going Ex Gulf Shield.

Land forces,SF,Airforce and Navy are participating;

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-military-multimedia.30020/page-520

 

[Muhammed45]

I’m sorry I didn’t understand your question you mean UN Mission?

No, my father was posted in Ivory Coast as an Observer Mission Leader.


KSA... on going Ex Gulf Shield.

Land forces,SF,Airforce and Navy are participating;

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-military-multimedia.30020/page-520

Thank you sir, I will visit the thread. Nice practice with Rafale fighter jets. India is going to buy squadrons of it, Pak pilots seems to be well trained and well prepared for it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thank you sir, I will visit the thread. Nice practice with Rafale fighter jets. India is going to buy squadrons of it, Pak pilots seems to be well trained and well prepared for it.

indias 36 will arrive after 2021 bro.

By them we will have Block IIIs ...
While a new 5th Gen fighter is under development under Azm Project... along with a new UCAV etc.

And who knows we might even get another jet ... considering all the speculations and defence ministers rants in Russia n whatnot..

 

[The SC]

The activation of the additional option of 2 new French Gowind Corvettes for Egypt this year ..

"In Egypt, negotiations for the sale of the two corvettes equipped with the Naval Group combat system, Setis, which were optional, advance well between Paris and Cairo (around 500 million)"

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...-export-pour-les-corvettes-gowind-774767.html

 

[Gomig-21]

I’m sorry I didn’t understand your question you mean UN Mission?

No, my father was posted in Ivory Coast as an Observer Mission Leader.

Ah, ok. I thought you were stationed in IC as a personnel. I misunderstood. Yeah my father was in an administrative capacity. Traveled and lived in many places as a result. Besides Pakistan and Thailand, in Africa we were in Burundi, Zaire and Kenya. Great experience as a child growing up.

The activation of the additional option of 2 new French Gowind Corvettes for Egypt this year ..

"In Egypt, negotiations for the sale of the two corvettes equipped with the Naval Group combat system, Setis, which were optional, advance well between Paris and Cairo (around 500 million)"

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...-export-pour-les-corvettes-gowind-774767.html

They shouldn't have any problem absorbing the building of those two additional ships at the Alexandria shipyard. The only obstacle would be the usual agreement on the financing.

BTW, the new Qatari Rafales have almost completed their testing. It's nice to see a Rafale with a different camo than the usual single tone grey, but they've also added the Qatari colors now as well.

The conclusion of Khalifa 3 with the UAE.

 

[Gomig-21]

More from Khalifa 3 with the UAE. Interesting photo angles, probably taken from a drone, especially the 2nd one.

 

[Frogman]

Ok, so we've actually known that's been a deficiency for a while now. Does that mean that the specific Sa'aqa trooper's gear is "extremely poor"? It can use some help but it's far from that description and IMO, the issues are primarily on a much larger scope.

In my opinion yes. I think we are starting to split hairs over terminology. Also I should have pointed out at the start that this is not just a Sa3ka trooper but SF, hence the M4.

I realize that and that is a major element that has been a deficiency for a long time now. The fact that they don't have equivalent of an army or naval medic corps is beyond belief, especially with the money, experience and access to practically the entire Egyptian industry that they have. Not to mention abundant access to foreign training and services. We haven't had any disagreement in that regard. But this is also a separate issue than what got us into this whole discussion although it does have an impact and is related to the individual soldier for sure.

As far as Sinai is concerned, they've been influenced by its logistics and the proximity of hospitals that they think this is the better way to handle casualties and their transport. Even if the civilian transport and ambulances are protected during travel, it's not a good solution to the deficiency, I agree.

The medical corps does exist but it is primarily concerned with the day to day administration of medical needs rather than battlefield/operational requirements.

https://egyptdefreview.wordpress.co...medical-corps-where-are-egypts-combat-medics/

I think we are in agreement that the entire system needs a shake up.

With the Type-209 having a sickbay and a qualified medic in-crew is a MUST, it brings us to the even larger platform in the Mistral which actually has a full-fledged 70-man hospital on board. If this doesn't get at least the navy to start inducting a fully trained medical corp...not sure what will.

Something that may be more important than that with the introduction of the submarines is the introduction of Submarine Para Rescue units. Something we currently don't have whilst operating 4 ancient Romeos which are likely very accident prone.

Still, that's a much broader issue than the particular equipment on the individual soldier. Issuing 2-way radios to the platoon commander and an NCO is pretty standard since that's how orders are channeled through command and down to those particular individuals and then they verbally direct the rest of the members in their units.

I think you misunderstood me. We are at a point where every individual soldier has some sort of coms. A section will have two long range encrypted radios for each fire team. Every rifleman will have a non encrypted personal role radio.

That provides communication across the platoon, rather than just between the Platoon commander and Sgt.

What we have now isn't all that effective and doesn't take into account for the Officer or NCO going down. The only two radio trained soldiers in a platoon of thirty plus.

Coms have become a individual asset, especially the personal role radio.

Are you're saying that radio operators don't exist? And that they don't have any form of JTAC for CAS or any other aircraft they're operating with? Honestly, I find that very hard to believe. 1973 radio ops worked very well on the battlefield.

There is ample evidence that the Army lost a lot of its professionalism post 1973. Roles such as rad op have been lost in infantry platoons. The platoon commander is the sole person responsible for all coms upwards.

Plus, yes, the role of JTAC does not exist. Air power has had to rely on its own targeting equipment after being given a general description of where the enemy is.

Are you saying they're not issued backpacks with full needed gear for missions where they need to carry larger loads? What was the backpack behind him in that picture? And all the ones with the paras waiting to be transported? Sorry ma bro, I don't buy that.

They are issued bergans. But the particular type isn't modular at all and does not allow for anything other than the basic load out. Doesn't even have a top flap to fasten the newly introduced daysack to or place a rpg/mortar tube.

Roles definitely change I agree, and we're seeing it happen right in front of our eyes. At the same time they can't lose sight of what is their essential role. What they need to do is adapt to these changes and it really comes down to the brass and their responsibilities. For all they've done that's been excellent, they've missed a few things and really, they're the ones that need to be held accountable.

My point about role redundancy was not an argument to change their role. It is an argument against roles being etched it stone. Egyptian SF and SOF have clung to their roles so tightly they stopped deploying.

We need to move on from "we only do this".

By the way, I think that the T-90 deal had the workings of a genius. Egypt has a really heavy tank, and lots and lots of light armoured vehicles, as well as some older medium tanks. However, the modern battlefield beckons something that can counter modern anti-armour infantry, but without becoming too costly like the Abrams. In other countries, this would be a heavy IFV, like the CV-90 and the M2 Bradley, which are probably out of Egypt's reach. So a T-90, which has shown that it can withstand hits from TOWs, can take the role slightly heavier than the heavy IFV while being cheap and not all that too hopeless should an enemy tank appear from nowhere.

It also has missiles that can hit helicopters (a threat to Israeli Apaches and Sudanese Hinds), with a range of 5 km. The manufacturing deal will probably include APS and optics and other equipment the Americans render "sensitive tech", which means that should push come to shove certain parts from the T-90 line can substitute the parts for the Abrams. If Trophy can fit the Abrams, then so can Shtora and Arena.

You can have a bespoke tank with all the bells and whistles that won't be cheap or you can have a cheap tank without all the bells and whistles. Choose one. They will both still end up far more expensive than introducing more Abrams.

There's an assumption that the Egyptian T-90 will include active and passive protection systems. Should not expect this in my opinion, especially that the tank that underwent trials in Egypt was a T-72B3.

So discipline is pretty much lacked in our military and it's pretty much catastrophic apparently.

It is better than all our neighbours except the Israelis and Jordanians. Problem is, we should be holding ourselves to higher standards if we want to be taken seriously.

Western armies are mainly of the expeditionary types, the types that bring the fight to the enemy's door, rather than fight in their homeland, and as a result, must have body armour, the best weapons and first aid, as you can't count on some civilian shooting your back, or on an ambulance arriving to help your soldiers.

There are defence forces much better equipped than Egypt. Personal protection equipment, basic first aid, and casualty evacuations are not limited to expeditionary forces.

However, all Egypt's army has to do is protect the homeland, which means that the first aid is swapped out for the ambulance, and body armour isn't always needed in checkpoints, etc. Price-wise, if you equip 500k soldiers with vests costing $3k, then you've already blown away $1.5 bln, or 15 Rafales.

Except you actually need to equip a fraction of that number. Specifically only the ground close combat forces and some combat support units. That price is also equivalent to one year worth of US aid which we have been a recipient of for several decades now, a bargain.

This is a problem entirely of our own making and one which could be solved.

First aid kits can be distributed pretty fast in times of mass mobilisation and don't cost much, but are still unnecessary.

Kit that is distributed quickly during operations is rarely ever used properly. Issue it early, train with it, and then fight with it.

while also being weak enough to allow for the Presidential Guard to hold them off for long enough should a coup d'etat happen. The Presidential Guard is the creme de la creme, and are even better equipped than the Western armies.

The Republican Guard is puny. Confined to Presidential protection and ceremonial duties. Little more than a glorified security force than a combat capable corps.

They also use C-130s and CASAs but, it's kind of a mishmash operation. During war, having a well-trained and effective medic corps can be the difference between 4/5 KIA and 1/5.

The proposed CSAR force when we struck Libya was a mishmash of Paras, Sa3ka, and several Air Force helicopter types. Reminds me of the Iran hostage debacle.

 

[Harpcore_lover]

In my opinion yes. I think we are starting to split hairs over terminology. Also I should have pointed out at the start that this is not just a Sa3ka trooper but SF, hence the M4.



The medical corps does exist but it is primarily concerned with the day to day administration of medical needs rather than battlefield/operational requirements.

https://egyptdefreview.wordpress.co...medical-corps-where-are-egypts-combat-medics/

I think we are in agreement that the entire system needs a shake up.



Something that may be more important than that with the introduction of the submarines is the introduction of Submarine Para Rescue units. Something we currently don't have whilst operating 4 ancient Romeos which are likely very accident prone.



I think you misunderstood me. We are at a point where every individual soldier has some sort of coms. A section will have two long range encrypted radios for each fire team. Every rifleman will have a non encrypted personal role radio.

That provides communication across the platoon, rather than just between the Platoon commander and Sgt.

What we have now isn't all that effective and doesn't take into account for the Officer or NCO going down. The only two radio trained soldiers in a platoon of thirty plus.

Coms have become a individual asset, especially the personal role radio.



There is ample evidence that the Army lost a lot of its professionalism post 1973. Roles such as rad op have been lost in infantry platoons. The platoon commander is the sole person responsible for all coms upwards.

Plus, yes, the role of JTAC does not exist. Air power has had to rely on its own targeting equipment after being given a general description of where the enemy is.



They are issued bergans. But the particular type isn't modular at all and does not allow for anything other than the basic load out. Doesn't even have a top flap to fasten the newly introduced daysack to or place a rpg/mortar tube.



My point about role redundancy was not an argument to change their role. It is an argument against roles being etched it stone. Egyptian SF and SOF have clung to their roles so tightly they stopped deploying.

We need to move on from "we only do this".



You can have a bespoke tank with all the bells and whistles that won't be cheap or you can have a cheap tank without all the bells and whistles. Choose one. They will both still end up far more expensive than introducing more Abrams.

There's an assumption that the Egyptian T-90 will include active and passive protection systems. Should not expect this in my opinion, especially that the tank that underwent trials in Egypt was a T-72B3.



It is better than all our neighbours except the Israelis and Jordanians. Problem is, we should be holding ourselves to higher standards if we want to be taken seriously.



There are defence forces much better equipped than Egypt. Personal protection equipment, basic first aid, and casualty evacuations are not limited to expeditionary forces.



Except you actually need to equip a fraction of that number. Specifically only the ground close combat forces and some combat support units. That price is also equivalent to one year worth of US aid which we have been a recipient of for several decades now, a bargain.

This is a problem entirely of our own making and one which could be solved.




Kit that is distributed quickly during operations is rarely ever used properly. Issue it early, train with it, and then fight with it.



The Republican Guard is puny. Confined to Presidential protection and ceremonial duties. Little more than a glorified security force than a combat capable corps.



The proposed CSAR force when we struck Libya was a mishmash of Paras, Sa3ka, and several Air Force helicopter types. Reminds me of the Iran hostage debacle.

So if they can fix it, why ain't they doing so you know, I mean whats the reason, if it ain't financial then what's stopping them

 

[Gomig-21]

 

[Frogman]

@Gomig-21

As soon as I say that they get new modular bergans. Shame they're shortback ones and don't have rocket pouches or a top flap though.

So if they can fix it, why ain't they doing so you know, I mean whats the reason, if it ain't financial then what's stopping them

It isn't a priority and those in charge aren't up to the task.

 

[Gomig-21]

EAF pilot with 4000+ hours in the F-16.

 

[Gomig-21]

Courtesy of @Hodor

Gulf Shield 1

 

[Taygibay]

Thank you sir, I will visit the thread. Nice practice with Rafale fighter jets.

Except they didn't! Thunder was there but not Rafale.
I hope my nagging feeling that you mistook a Typhoon
with our pretty aircraft is wrong but no Rafales at Ex.GS.

Great day to all, Tay.

 

[Muhammed45]

Except they didn't! Thunder was there but not Rafale.
I hope my nagging feeling that you mistook a Typhoon
with our pretty aircraft is wrong but no Rafales at Ex.GS.

Great day to all, Tay.

Thanks for the correction. Looks like F 16, I hope Thunders practice Rafales, it's available for Pak,,,,,,,,, good day sir