Egypt shows interest in JF-17 Thunder

[OTTOMAN]

Hi,

The decision will be that of Egypt---but it will be interesting to see what Egypt decides once the JF17 BLK 3 with aesa becomes available.

Sir IMO, again its the sales and marketing of JF-17, which is not agressive enough.
Even without AESA F-17 is a good interceptor, with low operational costs.
Pak need to take F-17 to Egypt, and may be let them fly.

 

[EAK]

How the TOT going to benefit Pakistan..?

 

[The SC]

The problem for egypt could well be solved via the JFT route, especially the Block 3 with all the bells and whistles. They have had a brief flirt with the idea some time back. Considering that most of their money for the recent acquisitions "Allegedly" has come from Saudis, I wondered whether the recent visit by the Saudis was to buy the JFT for them although this would be a far cry. I think both for Saudis and the Egyptians especially for the later it makes sense to establish manufacturing facilities for the JFT and become the supply hub for the African continent. For the Saudis the prospect of their own fighter which although not the bees knees is pretty decent and to set up their aviation industry around a relatively simple fighter is a God given opportunity. The y can build up from there and be independent.The real question is whether they will be allowed to do so as the Golden Goose of the West cannot be allowed to slip out of their hands.
A


My question was purely related to diversity of platforms and therefore maintenance issues. However I wwould point out that the facilities in Egypt for M3/5 are totally inadequate for the Rafale or even M2Ks for which I very much doubt they have anything more than depot level maintenance facilities.
Mig 29 facilities may well be able to take over maintenance for the 35s however it will also have to be retooled and that will cost. SU35 will need newer facilities and that will cost. So in here we have the nightmare of setting up repair and depot level maintenance for 3 different platforms, Over hauling will be a much more intensive project and you can see the extent of headache it is going to cause.
If you just have depot level maintenance then for any minor faults parts will have to go to the provider which will badly hamper fleet availability. The Russians especially are not knownb for their after sales service to put it mildly.
The JFT will be a good tool to have in large numbers and will cause some flutters in the neighbourhood although as always newer technology will be acquired in response.
A

No nation can buy for another nation..
Egypt was assembling the M2K..

 

[Zain Malik]

It is too earlier to say anything until block II will be out.!

 

[sami_1]

The plane will represent Egypt's biggest problem at all

Service Life 4,000 flight hours of Aluminum of third generation Fighter
RD-93 Engine 2200 flight hours Service Life
Climb Rate too weak to 254 M/S compared to 330 meters of the MiG-29
Chinese Aviones is unreliability

JF-17 price $ 25 million this lousy extremely Specifications

If the development of the structure Service life to 8,000 flight hours and 60-70% composite materials cost will rise
for better max climb rate of 249m/s and 9G-Limite we need new
Airframe


Installation of the latest Russian engine 4000 flight hours old and the best capabilities such as the payment capacity of 22,000 lbs

Italy lead the new Cockpit from M345 trainer aircraft with SALEX-ES AESA radars

The use of components of the plane more reliable and higher performance for all Subsystems
We will find the plane price jumps to 40-45 which is equal to the price of the MiG-35, which was acquired by Egypt

On the other hand, the Russians themselves in case any Egyptian requests for MiG welcome locally having produced in Egypt, for the simple reason the Russian Mikoyan production line capacity of 30 aircraft per year expected orders to Vietnam, Bangladesh and African countries and possibly Iraq and Libya will make the Russians are unable to meet any Egyptian requests from Russian production lines

Consequently Egyptian choices is MIG-35 or FC-31 and why JF-17 in the level jets training and high price Wallis best for Egypt production of L-15B specifications of a competition and the services life 10 000 hours of flight time and price not to exceed $ 20 million for what we go to the worst option available in the world

Plane advantage JF-17 for Egypt, it increases the pressure on the Russians and France and improve the terms of the contract to Egypt because Egypt plane China offered to Egypt in 2004 and Egypt request produce Chinese SD-10 local
When China refused we cancel the deal why we go again to the same fighter after 13 years tended to aircraft rejected them from the outset

Areas of cooperation with Pakistan variety of guided munitions cooperation in the production of small arms in favor of the Egyptian armies and Pakistan UAV components manufacturing industry jointly

Logical choice to Egypt

 

[Silicon0000]

Another country in the long list of "showing interest"

 

[araz]

No nation can buy for another nation..
Egypt was assembling the M2K..

Could not have assembled and stopped at 18 planes if that is what their current inventory is to go by.
The "allegedly" highlighted and in inverted commas was to highlight just that. However at the time that Sisi took over from the Islamic brotherhood there was a lot of Arab money that was given to the Sisi Government. However you can take it or not on its face value.
The number of M3/5s on the other hand suggests a more comprehensive setup.
A

Sir IMO, again its the sales and marketing of JF-17, which is not agressive enough.
Even without AESA F-17 is a good interceptor, with low operational costs.
Pak need to take F-17 to Egypt, and may be let them fly.

Cant do that till you have a dual seater. Ithink the dual seater will open a few more doors.
A

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

This is where the advantage of an indegenous built platform comes in. If you talk of being neutered by X then potentially it can be done by Y as well. The french did it to the Argentinians and will do it again if the stakes are high enough. So no one is immune to being neutered by anyone.Against their prime enemy ie Israel(if at all you consider it to be the enemy of the Arabs) they will be neutered by all and sundry and have been done so before as well and even if they were not Egypt would end up getting Nuked. So the problem is there is no right answer to this conundrum.
A

That is probably why the Argentinian Air Force is looking for Mirage F1s.

 

[Akasa]

Russian MiG-35s, French Rafales, and American F-16s. Egypt's air force will surely have an interesting time tackling the forthcoming logistic crisis.

 

[Ultimate Weapon]

Russian MiG-35s, French Rafales, and American F-16s. Egypt's air force will surely have an interesting time tackling the forthcoming logistic crisis.

Also include F-7 from china.

 

[Frogman]

Also include F-7 from china.

Retired.

 

[war&peace]

This is the second time Egypt is showing interest in buying JF-17s
On 4th Dec 2015 also we got the same news that Egypt is interested :
http://www.dawn.com/news/1224358

Btw Egyptian Air Force also operates 120 k-8 E Trainers made by China /Pakistan !

That basically means real will is there but they are doing some home work on the deal and finances which is natural. It takes years and even decades to finalise a major deal. Ask French how much time did it take for Rafale deal with India...so it is pretty normal and we should be patient, InshaAllah, it is turning into something big since Egypt is a strong country in the middle East.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Hi,

Are the egyptian F16's capable of launching BVR missiles---?

Like Iraq, they haven't been given the capability. Their F16s are only good enough for point defense.

 

[sami_1]

Russian MiG-35s, French Rafales, and American F-16s. Egypt's air force will surely have an interesting time tackling the forthcoming logistic crisis.

Egypt has been a huge fleet of fighter planes and do not suffer any technical problems simplay we own abilities higher than many states

Egyptian Air Force Before Fighter fleet

475 MiG-21
150 F-7
90 F-6
82 Mirage V
200 F-16
20 Mirage-2000

While is little maintenance jets abroad, a
like the 35 F-4
And 50 Su-20


Egypt did not experience any problems with the maintenance of our

Factories for engines Overhaul

Factories for the fighters Overhaul belonging to the Arab Organization for Industrialization

We have a factory for helicopters OVERHAUL

We Depot Level for Egyptian F-16 Since 1996

Our Mirage 5 overhaul for Egypt and export services
Our MiG-21 overhaul center for Egypt and export to neighboring countries

Mirage 5 will phase out of service and enter the Rafal instead of and provide Maintenance services for Egypt and future missile east customers
Egypt will develop MiG overhaul enter to provide services for MIG-29/35 customers in the Middle East
Things are completely normal jets out of service replaced by the new jets and the development of facilities and maintenance centers and training

Egypt 90 million people and have industrial base already

 

[Ghazwa e Hind]

Egyptian Air Force Combat and close air support jets list :
230 - F-16s C/Ds
6 - Rafales - More on order
18 - Mirage 2000s
80 - Mirage 5s ( gonna retire soon )
50 - Mig-35s
60 - Mig 21 Fishbeds ( gonna retire soon )
60 - J-7s ( gonna retire soon )
55 - Alpha jets
12 - Air Tractors 802

I think If they buy JF-17s in future that would be to replace J-7s , Mig 21s , Mirage 5s , Alpha jets , Air Tractors . Conclusion is that Egypt would need around 200 modern jets to replace the jets mentioned above , and like Zarvan bhai said that they would most probably go for the Block 3 JF-17s because of the new goodies that would be introduced like AESA .

This is the case for whole aircraft market. Above mentioned aircrafts can be replaced by Thunders around the world.