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So guys, when we were going through the same experience by MB, you two were gloating, No?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/219425-arab-spring-reaches-jordan-2.html

Shall I gloat now?:lol:

I'm not actually, just a reminder.. Next time think before talking.;)

All Jordanian should unite against Islamists, after that you can seek democracy.... Don't trust Islamists, period!! If they say go left, go right without even thinking about it.
 
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@Frogman, what arabic news sites do you follow?

Number 1, we can argue about determining if its a coup or not. But, you make good points and we don't need to get into that.

Second of all, no they all haven't. But they believe in a democratic process. Which means, yes he does need to complete his term. But their demands are unrealistic because of the false morals and ethics the army leadership claims to have.

Third, yes they have accused Hamas of trying to collect intelligence on Egyptian military sites and police stations. Which isn't true at all. Also some bs report came out which said the Egyptian military killed 36 Hamas fighters and arrested another 200. Which was rebuked later by the military. But that media campaign against Hamas seems to be driven by their interests. Egyptian helicopters have also flown over Gaza last week with permission from israel and went to collect intelligence on palestinian resistance sites. Later trying to claim it was an accidental breach. But, witnesses indicated otherwise. Lots of media speculation is coming out that Hamas is actively killing Egyptian soldiers and policemen when in reality they aren't interfering with the developments there.

It's getting ridiculous. What do you say about this slander campaign?
 
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All Jordanian should unite against Islamists, after that you can seek democracy.... Don't trust Islamists, period!! If they say go left, go right without even thinking about it.

You people sound like the Quresh

No wonder its so easy for you to attack mosques
 
Frogman, what arabic news sites do you follow?

Alarabiya, Aljazeera and Egyptian state TV. Mostly I follow FB pages they seem to have much more information provided in a better manner but you have to sift to find out what BS and whats not.

Number 1, we can argue about determining if its a coup or not. But, you make good points and we don't need to get into that.

Its a coup. Any arguments about this particular point is pointless in my opinion. However the nature of the coup is what should be debated.

Second of all, no they all haven't. But they believe in a democratic process. Which means, yes he does need to complete his term. But their demands are unrealistic because of the false morals and ethics the army leadership claims to have.

Firstly, the Egyptian people have suffered for decades before Morsi just as the Gazan people are suffering. This movement wasn't based around broken electoral promises, the Mubarak promised for three decades and yet the crowds generated against him were no where near the size of those against Morsi.

The military may have false morals and ethics but so do the MB and its affiliates. We shouldn't be naive enough to believe that there are white knights and villains or that everyone is as innocent as they claim. The MB has been called upon multiple times in the past few weeks and they refused the offers put to them (according to their own members). Morsi wont return its done

Third, yes they have accused Hamas of trying to collect intelligence on Egyptian military sites and police stations. Which isn't true at all.
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You need to sign up to the official spokesperson for the military's page on FB. That page is the only source that speaks on behalf of the Egyptian military and hasn't released a communique releasing such accusations.

It's getting ridiculous. What do you say about this slander campaign?

Its frankly embarrassing.

The Egyptian administration will have to deal with Hamas no matter how frosty the relationship becomes, ordinary Egyptians also understand that the actions of Hamas (even if wrongly accused) have nothing to do with the Palestinian people and will continue to support their plight against the occupation.
 
Millions Rally in Egypt, Responding to Army Call

Called out by the army, the largest crowds in 2 1/2 years of upheaval filled Egypt's streets Friday, while ousted President Mohammed Morsi was formally placed under investigation on a host of allegations including murder and conspiracy with the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

Morsi's supporters also showed no signs of backing down, though they turned out in vastly smaller numbers. The demonstrations in Cairo remained mostly peaceful into the night, but in the city of Alexandria seven people were killed and over 100 were injured, officials said.

Late Friday night in Cairo, police fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Morsi supporters — a possible sign of a new intolerance for marches that block city streets.

The announcement by prosecutors of the investigation against Morsi, which is likely to pave the way to a formal indictment and eventually a trial, was the first word on his legal status since he was deposed by the military July 3. Since then, the Islamist leader has been held incommunicado in a secret location.

Both sides tried to show how much public support they enjoy. But the millions who turned out for the pro-army demonstrations overwhelmed the streets in multiple cities in Egypt, including some that rarely seen any rallies since the 2011 uprising.

Throngs of people turned out in Cairo's Tahrir Square and in other cities, answering a call by army chief Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, who urged them to give him a mandate to stop "potential terrorism" by supporters of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood.

Portraits of the smiling el-Sissi in sunglasses dominated the crowd in Tahrir and one near the presidential palace across town. Posters with his picture were emblazoned with the words "the love of the people," and demonstrators wore small photos of him around their necks or carried a picture of his face on an Egyptian one-pound note.

Security was heavy after el-Sissi vowed to protect the rallies from attacks by rivals. Tanks guarded one entrance to Tahrir and police were stationed at other parts.

"The army is here to protect the people. They don't lie," said Ezzat Fahmi, a 38-year-old in the crowd. He said el-Sissi called the rallies "so the entire world can see that the Egyptian people don't want the Brotherhood anymore."

El-Sissi's plea came at a time when the political standoff with Morsi's supporters showed no sign of resolution. It raised speculation that he may be planning a crackdown on the toppled president's allies, who have held a sit-in outside the Rabaa al-Adawiyah Mosque in Cairo and near daily rallies elsewhere in the capital for three weeks.

The rallies have often turned violent, with more than 180 people killed this month. The Morsi supporters and opponents blame each other for the bloodshed, and people in both camps have been seen carrying weapons.

The unrest, as well as claims that Islamist groups are stockpiling weapons and escalating attacks against troops in the Sinai, were used by the country's new military-backed rulers as a basis for demanding popular support.

The interim leader, Adly Mansour, told the private TV station al-Hayat that his government seeks to include everyone, but it will not accept lawlessness, blocked roads and attacks on state institutions. He urged the pro-Morsi protesters to go home, promising they won't be pursued or arrested.

Millions Rally in Egypt, Responding to Army Call - ABC News

All Egyptians are united against terrorism.
 
Egypt Military Flexes Muscle Against Morsi Amid Rallies

CAIRO — The Egyptian military stepped up its campaign against the Muslim Brotherhood on Friday, as officials announced the possibility of serious criminal charges carrying the death penalty against the ousted president, Mohamed Morsi, and hopes faded for any sort of political accommodation with the Islamist group.

The announcement came amid a vast state-orchestrated display of military power, with army helicopters hovering low over a huge throng of flag-waving, pro-military demonstrators in Tahrir Square and soldiers deploying in armored personnel carriers across the capital.

The crowds had turned out in Cairo and other Egyptian cities in response to a call by the defense minister, Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi, for mass demonstrations he said would give him a “mandate” to fight terrorism, a phrase widely understood to mean crackdowns on the Brotherhood.

It was another blow to the Arab world’s most prominent Islamist group, which until recently was the major political force in government, having repeatedly won elections after the country’s uprising two years ago.

The Brotherhood and a number of Western and Arab diplomats had called for the military, which has held Mr. Morsi incommunicado since his ouster three weeks ago, to release him as a good-will gesture, in hopes of brokering a compromise that would end the standoff between Islamists and the military. That now seems almost impossible, analysts say, with indications that the military is carrying out investigations geared toward a broader legal assault on the Brotherhood.

“This is a preparation for eliminating the Brotherhood,” said Emad Shahin, a political science professor at the American University in Cairo. The Brotherhood responded defiantly on Friday, with pro-Morsi marches taking place along dozens of planned routes in Cairo and other cities. The group has continued to demand Mr. Morsi’s reinstatement as a precondition for any negotiations and labeled General Sisi’s plea for street demonstrations as a call to “civil war.” Its leaders insist that they are not seeking violence. Their marches, which regularly snarl busy Cairo streets, have become increasingly confrontational.

“Our blood and souls we will sacrifice for Islam,” some pro-Morsi protesters chanted, while others chanted his name and held posters bearing his face.

In Tahrir Square, by contrast, posters bearing General Sisi’s face bobbed above the crowd, amid a mood of aggressive nationalism that has gripped much of Egypt since the military removed Mr. Morsi. Crowds began gathering early in the day, with protesters hugging the soldiers guarding the entrances to the square and posing for pictures with them. Television networks delayed daytime serials broadcast during the holy month of Ramadan, to encourage people to join the anti-Brotherhood demonstrations.

The two protest camps clashed on Friday in the port city of Alexandria, where seven people were reported dead and scores were injured. At least one person was killed in parallel street battles in Cairo, according to the Egyptian news media.

Well over 100 people have been killed in clashes between supporters and opponents of the Brotherhood in the last month, including a polarizing episode on July 8 in which soldiers and police officers fired on Brotherhood members and killed 62.

Mr. Morsi, whose face regularly appears on large banners in Islamist marches across the country, is being investigated on charges that he conspired with the militant Palestinian group Hamas in a prison escape. The charges appear to relate to his own 2011 escape from Wadi Natroun prison. He is accused of conspiring with Hamas in “hostile acts,” including the kidnapping and killing of police officers and soldiers, according to a report on the Web site of Egypt’s flagship state newspaper, Al Ahram. He was also ordered detained for an additional 15 days, the report said.

The Wadi Natroun accusations, which have been emphasized by his political opponents for some time, gained little traction until after Mr. Morsi was deposed, and they have been dismissed by many human rights advocates as political. Mr. Morsi was arrested in the final days of Mr. Mubarak’s government, and after his release, Mr. Morsi said in a television interview that he was among 30 members of his movement who were broken out of prison by men they did not know.

The announcement of the formal detention and possible charges may also be aimed at providing legal cover in the face of international pressure on the Egyptian authorities to release Mr. Morsi. On Wednesday, Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations secretary general, joined the United States, the European Union, and other bodies in expressing concern about Mr. Morsi’s unexplained detention.

In a statement, Salah al-Bardaweel, a spokesman for Hamas, denounced the accusations and challenged Egyptian prosecutors to present evidence that the group had been involved in the prison breaks. “This is an implication of Hamas into a dishonorable political battle,” he said.

Gehad el-Haddad, a spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, said on Friday that the threatened charges amounted to a repudiation by the military of the revolt that toppled Mr. Mubarak and “might increase the number of angry people on the ground.”

“It will only help strengthen the realization that the Mubarak state is back,” he said.

At the protests, where thousands of Brotherhood supporters and their Islamist allies have been camped out for weeks, the mood remained buoyant on Friday evening as the marches came to an end. Onstage at a sit-in near Cairo University, bearded clerics called for an Islamic state while the crowd chanted, “The people demand the return of the president.”

“I think the criminal charges were filed to push the Brotherhood to violence, so the military could then use that as an excuse to crack down,” said Soha Emera, a 43-year-old woman in a pale head scarf, standing near the stage. “But they have stayed peaceful. Look what happened today: it was other people attacking the Brotherhood.”

In Tahrir Square, a stronghold for Mr. Morsi’s opponents for weeks, many in the crowd seemed heartened by news of the formal detention and legal accusations.

“Morsi is nothing but a criminal, and the Egyptian people will be victorious,” said Ibrahim Abdelrahman, a 60-year-old retiree, as he waved an Egyptian flag. “The people, the army, the police: we are all one hand.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0
 
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This is the people General Sisi's called terrorist 2 days ago when he said he would crush of show support of him. Will put more inc anti protesters soon
 
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Post pics on net, not media except articles.

Tahrir is dangerous, that's why no one goes there cos reports 90+ people were raped and assualted 3 weeks ago and now this
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Aljazeera the only mainstream network showing both sides.
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Anti protesters mostly in around Tahrir Cairo only

Anyway back to the pro supporters. Nighttime both side go more.
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You people sound like the Quresh

No wonder its so easy for you to attack mosques

Islamist/= Muslims. Modern day Islamists think they own the religion and are God-sent angels to "protect" the religion. Their only goal is to rule. They will do whatever it takes to strengthen their grip on power. In reality they are very far from being true Muslims. They interpret faith as they see benefits them most.

Instead of changing themselves to become devout Muslims, they change Islam to make it in the shape they fit in.
 
@Ceylal French media are saying that the assassination in Tunisia was the act of salafis : one arrested is French-Tunisian salafi
they really want to create troubles everywhere :(

This is the 2nd political assassination. Things in Tunisia are dicey. Military speaking, Algeria and Tunisia created a kill zone along the entire border, where either army can cross the border in both directions to stem the salafi armed branch in the Kasserine area.
 
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no one can deny Morsi and Muslim Brotherhood has good support
imagine how many the Military killed and arrested still there is protest
 
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